Draft Thread 2: The Electric Draftaloo

[Knicksfan1992]

RJ Barret would be with us 10th-11th I just saw on knicks feed.

Would be nice to get more than a photo but that's all we'll get

Them having him only do "light court work" means they don't really need to see him play.

Sounds like they are fairly locked in.

probably just want to see the jumper up close. Maybe have Fiz work with him a little bit. His agent (smartly BTW) will never have RJ play in a scrimmage or anything like that. Too much to lose, nothing to gain from that.

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[iLLmatic860]

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Looking like Hakeem in the post

Another 2nd rd steal of the draft????

[Capn'O]

100% yes.

Why are we so quick to give up on DSJ. He showed he can play in the nba. Dropped 30 his first week as a Knick. Why would you trade a player like that on a rookie contract for unproven talent?

Yeah i'm higher on Dennis than anyone at 6 in this draft. With that said i believe there would be some salary relief there so that could be an extra motivation to move him if the Suns were amicable

We're talking about role players. I'm taking "the field" over Smith if you're trying to build out a championship core. If we're moving picks, you see what your trading partner would prefer but I'd assume the same there. His value just isn't that high.

[HEZI]

Why are we so quick to give up on DSJ. He showed he can play in the nba. Dropped 30 his first week as a Knick. Why would you trade a player like that on a rookie contract for unproven talent?

Yeah i'm higher on Dennis than anyone at 6 in this draft. With that said i believe there would be some salary relief there so that could be an extra motivation to move him if the Suns were amicable

We're talking about role players. I'm taking "the field" over Smith if you're trying to build out a championship core. If we're moving picks, you see what your trading partner would prefer but I'd assume the same there. His value just isn't that high.

The Field looks strong this year. Would def prefer more picks

[Knicksfan1992]

Just feel like it's bad business to sell relatively low on Dennis or Frank for that matter. Obviously if it's to make room for a guy like Durant, Kyrie or Kemba or a clear upgrade asset wise (and no the 6 pick is not in this draft is not... why do you think Phoenix is using the media to pump up it's value in the 1st place?) then yeah move them and live with it... but these are the types of moves bad franchises make over and over again and why they get nowhere..... Believe in your player development staff, work on player's flaws and get them to a point where we're not hoping that Phoenix or some other chit team takes one of our younger players and instead have them be a wanted commodity around the league.

when's the last time the Knicks had a young player who they groomed that wasn't pawned off by us for one chitty reason or another?

[camillepd]

Can someone please post Johnathan Givony ESPN NBA mock draft (2 rounds) that just came out today?

[stuporman]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

[Chanel Bomber]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I’m not saying he’s J-Kidd out there but DSJ makes some very good passes, some quite advanced for his age. The bigger issue is his J.

[thebuzzardman]

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Looking like Hakeem in the post

Another 2nd rd steal of the draft????

Hakeem Eaton?

[robillionaire]

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Looking like Hakeem in the post

Another 2nd rd steal of the draft????

I agree he looks exactly like Hasheem

[stuporman]

Oh and another not quite but maybe close enough comparison for Zion is Draymond Green, in fact, he just might be a rich man's Dray eventually. I think Zion's versatility will show itself in the pros, people now worry about what's his position but in 2-3 years people will wind up wondering how can any team match up with him.

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Looking like Hakeem in the post

Another 2nd rd steal of the draft????

I agree he looks exactly like Hasheem

Are you guys speeding the clip up by 50%?

I mean, he has solid footwork, especially for a guy who's something like 7'6", but Hakeem?

[jermsknicks]

This may have been asked but would anyone do Smith Jr. for Phoenix’s #6?

At 6, I would look at Cam. I think Cam Reddish's game will be better in the NBA, but I wouldn't trade him for DSJr. DSJr has grown on me and I want him to come back stronger and be apart of the plan next year.

Now Frank, we don't have enough time to showcase him to trade him before the draft. The Sun's really wanted Frank at some point and they do have an international coach who might've vouched for him if he played at the end of the season.
Frank needs to play at the Rucker, Summer League in Vegas and International ball. He just needs to get out there and play ball!

[god shammgod]

there's sort of a middle ground for scorers who are a step above role players in skill level perhaps but aren't quite all-stars. that's where dennis smith lies and it's pretty much the worse place to be. he can't be the 1st or 2nd option on offense for a winning team and he doesn't play d or hit the 3 so he isn't a good role player. if you can get a wing or a stretch 4 who can play d and hit the 3 in the draft, he may be less skilled but he's infinitely more useful than dennis.

[thebuzzardman]

On a side note, if the Knicks got a player who was 3/4th's of Eaton with a late 2nd rounder, I'd be thrilled.

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I know we missed out on zion but man are we lucky to end up with RJ.

We could've been stuck with brandon clarke or the rui's of the world

[stuporman]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I’m not saying he’s J-Kidd out there but DSJ makes some very good passes, some quite advanced for his age. The bigger issue is his J.

He gets those Marbury assists, the ones where they are dribbling so much that it's bound to happen that it opens up someone else maybe they see it and pass it for an assist. Although, I don't see very much purposeful dribbling to create opportunities for teammates, it's purpose is to create his own shot and since he doesn't shoot all that well either right now he's not an efficient offensive player or that good of a facilitator.

Can he improve? Yes, sure I guess but there are two guards in the middle of this lottery that right now are better shooters than him and at least as good of passers as he is. This is silly though because the Suns don't want him, he's not a good fit next to Booker, they'd be crazy to think it would work. They might be willing to take on Holiday's contract because he has some future ahead of him but doubt they would Conley, he got no future.

For a Knicks team with Barret and KD who create their own shot and can create for others it may work if Junior improves his spot up 3, if not, it wont work in NY either. He's good enough to get stats on a losing team because he's given plenty of opportunity and little expectations but as he currently plays he's not a guy who has the skills to be a large contributor to a winning team. Maybe he can be a backup to someone like Kyrie and learn how to be it but right now it's not there.

[NoLayupRule]

A PG that doesn't pass or shoot all that well but oooohhhhhhh that crossover and teh dunks aaaahhhhhhh

I’m not saying he’s J-Kidd out there but DSJ makes some very good passes, some quite advanced for his age. The bigger issue is his J.

He gets those Marbury assists, the ones where they are dribbling so much that it's bound to happen that it opens up someone else maybe they see it and pass it for an assist. Although, I don't see very much purposeful dribbling to create opportunities for teammates, it's purpose is to create his own shot and since he doesn't shoot all that well either right now he's not an efficient offensive player or that good of a facilitator.

Can he improve? Yes, sure I guess but there are two guards in the middle of this lottery that right now are better shooters than him and at least as good of passers as he is. This is silly though because the Suns don't want him, he's not a good fit next to Booker, they'd be crazy to think it would work. They might be willing to take on Holiday's contract because he has some future ahead of him but doubt they would Conley, he got no future.

For a Knicks team with Barret and KD who create their own shot and can create for others it may work if Junior improves his spot up 3, if not, it wont work in NY either. He's good enough to get stats on a losing team because he's given plenty of opportunity and little expectations but as he currently plays he's not a guy who has the skills to be a large contributor to a winning team. Maybe he can be a backup to someone like Kyrie and learn how to be it but right now it's not there.

the problem with DSJ is that people thought, and still hope, he would be a staring PG of some significant quality in this league

expectations need to be adjusted

IMO hes a solid player off the bench
he can be a "microwave" guy
a guy who comes in, pushes the ball down the oppositions throat, gets emotional dunks and can be effective in his limited mins

but he's not a leader, he's not a pace controller, he's not a guy who makes teammates better

and he's not a bust.
hes a solid rotational player. its just that right now we don't have anyone better so he's acting like a starting PG

[NoLayupRule]

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I know we missed out on zion but man are we lucky to end up with RJ.

We could've been stuck with brandon clarke or the rui's of the world

agreed

and Ill be pretty upset if Mem takes him and were left with Ja