2019 Draft Class

[yanuary]

Bol Bol at #20 in new Givony's mock draft. Step by step ppl realize that he shouldnt even be 1st round pick.

because of the foot/ the frame/ the questions about both/ the fact he isn't working out...sure
I know it aint because of his skill as a player...without the question marks he is a top 5 prospect.

Absoluely not. He is unplayable in D, highly overrated in O (played against awful competitors).
Also really low bbIQ, lazy young man without any work ethic and bad character (teammates didnt like him).
2nd round pick, maybe even not in 30s.

[doordoor123]

Bol is probably more of a sixth man than a starter, which is why he’s dropping. He’s not really a center or a power forward, doesn’t really have a position in the NBA. We don’t think he can defend the wing and not strong enough to do much in the paint. Also super skinny and at risk to get injured even more. He has length, can handle the ball and shoot but the question is if that’s enough.

[connseanery]

Culver with a 45" likely running vert at his LA workout

I would be shocked if it was actually more than 36", we all watched him play. There is no way he has a 45" vert.

Look at this picture. He's almost maxing out a 12' vertical tester standing on a 6 inch box. He definitely plays like a guy with a 36" vert in games though. Either he needs a clear open path to elevate well or he's been practicing a lot after his season ended.

Read on Twitter

[NotACat]

Culver with a 45" likely running vert at his LA workout

I would be shocked if it was actually more than 36", we all watched him play. There is no way he has a 45" vert.

Look at this picture. He's almost maxing out a 12' vertical tester standing on a 6 inch box. He definitely plays like a guy with a 36" vert in games though. Either he needs a clear open path to elevate well or he's been practicing a lot after his season ended.

Read on Twitter

The camera angle is deceptive

[connseanery]

I would be shocked if it was actually more than 36", we all watched him play. There is no way he has a 45" vert.

Look at this picture. He's almost maxing out a 12' vertical tester standing on a 6 inch box. He definitely plays like a guy with a 36" vert in games though. Either he needs a clear open path to elevate well or he's been practicing a lot after his season ended.

Read on Twitter

The camera angle is deceptive

I'm not talking about him relative to the rim or backboard. Look at the 12' foot vertical tester on a 6" box. They don't put a vertical tester on something else unless a player can touch higher than 12'.

[Stillwater]

Bol Bol at #20 in new Givony's mock draft. Step by step ppl realize that he shouldnt even be 1st round pick.

because of the foot/ the frame/ the questions about both/ the fact he isn't working out...sure
I know it aint because of his skill as a player...without the question marks he is a top 5 prospect.

Absoluely not. He is unplayable in D, highly overrated in O (played against awful competitors).
Also really low bbIQ, lazy young man without any work ethic and bad character (teammates didnt like him).
2nd round pick, maybe even not in 30s.

interesting take. sounds like a personal problem you have there...
he's clearly a high iq bb prospect with elite measurables and elite offensive skillset.

[Stillwater]

Bol is probably more of a sixth man than a starter, which is why he’s dropping. He’s not really a center or a power forward, doesn’t really have a position in the NBA. We don’t think he can defend the wing and not strong enough to do much in the paint. Also super skinny and at risk to get injured even more. He has length, can handle the ball and shoot but the question is if that’s enough.

If he cannot defend the perimeter then I'd agree because although his weak side defense around the basket is good, he will struggle to establish position etc. The length will still make him adequate in that area to some degree though.
I think he will be able to defend the perimeter if his foot doesn't present issues with lateral movement.
I think he will be able to play the 4 early on and will probably have to come off the bench until he adds some weight if somebody tries to use him in the paint which would be stupid given his offensive skill set and ability to break defenses down with his dribble drive length and stroke.

[clyde21]

Bol had the same block rate as Hayes as more than less than half the fouls committed, he's gonna be an outside rim protector and help defender at the next level if he can stay healthy

[Duke4life831]

Look at this picture. He's almost maxing out a 12' vertical tester standing on a 6 inch box. He definitely plays like a guy with a 36" vert in games though. Either he needs a clear open path to elevate well or he's been practicing a lot after his season ended.

Read on Twitter

The camera angle is deceptive

I'm not talking about him relative to the rim or backboard. Look at the 12' foot vertical tester on a 6" box. They don't put a vertical tester on something else unless a player can touch higher than 12'.

Culver can have a 50 inch vert in an open gym, but when you watch the game tape that explosion doesn't show up. He has a bad first step and his athleticism/explosion seems to be a negative not a positive for him.

This is like the RJ vert pic that made the rounds a couple days ago. Thats cool and all and RJ even shows that explosion in transition. But can anyone find me a clip of him using that explosion in the half court? There might be 1 or 2 clips, maybe. The vast majority of the time RJ struggles to create space and ends up being a below the rim finisher in the half court.

Culver has the craftier handle than RJ, but if you see this pic of Culver and think he's going to be this high flying act, you're going to be disappointed. I think Culver is going to be good, but I think he's going to be well more known as a crafty scorer, not a high flying guy.

[clyde21]

yea, he just doesn't apply it in-game, but at least it's there somewhere and maybe he can learn to use it at some point. it might really only add to his game.

but this is different than say, Zion or Lecque or Morant, who's jumping and high flying ability just oozes off the screen when u watch them play.

[connseanery]

The camera angle is deceptive

I'm not talking about him relative to the rim or backboard. Look at the 12' foot vertical tester on a 6" box. They don't put a vertical tester on something else unless a player can touch higher than 12'.

Culver can have a 50 inch vert in an open gym, but when you watch the game tape that explosion doesn't show up. He has a bad first step and his athleticism/explosion seems to be a negative not a positive for him.

This is like the RJ vert pic that made the rounds a couple days ago. Thats cool and all and RJ even shows that explosion in transition. But can anyone find me a clip of him using that explosion in the half court? There might be 1 or 2 clips, maybe. The vast majority of the time RJ struggles to create space and ends up being a below the rim finisher in the half court.

Culver has the craftier handle than RJ, but if you see this pic of Culver and think he's going to be this high flying act, you're going to be disappointed. I think Culver is going to be good, but I think he's going to be well more known as a crafty scorer, not a high flying guy.

I agree. I'm just wondering if anyone else has ever tested so well on a vertical jump test and then have such a huge difference in functional leaping in games. 45 1/2" vert and touching over 12 feet is pretty crazy for a 6' 6" player. All the other guys that have tested in the same range with those types of verts are really impressive in games too. Zion, DJ Stephens

[Duke4life831]

I'm not talking about him relative to the rim or backboard. Look at the 12' foot vertical tester on a 6" box. They don't put a vertical tester on something else unless a player can touch higher than 12'.

Culver can have a 50 inch vert in an open gym, but when you watch the game tape that explosion doesn't show up. He has a bad first step and his athleticism/explosion seems to be a negative not a positive for him.

This is like the RJ vert pic that made the rounds a couple days ago. Thats cool and all and RJ even shows that explosion in transition. But can anyone find me a clip of him using that explosion in the half court? There might be 1 or 2 clips, maybe. The vast majority of the time RJ struggles to create space and ends up being a below the rim finisher in the half court.

Culver has the craftier handle than RJ, but if you see this pic of Culver and think he's going to be this high flying act, you're going to be disappointed. I think Culver is going to be good, but I think he's going to be well more known as a crafty scorer, not a high flying guy.

I agree. I'm just wondering if anyone else has ever tested so well on a vertical jump test and then have such a huge difference in functional leaping in games. 45 1/2" vert and touching over 12 feet is pretty crazy for a 6' 6" player. All the other guys that have tested in the same range with those types of verts are really impressive in games too. Zion, DJ Stephens

Well 1st I don't buy the 45.5" number to begin with. You have to go back to the 2002 combine to find someone with a 45.5" vet. This is an unofficial number said by TTU strength and conditioning coach. Every team does this. Duke did the same angle with Brandon Ingram and said he had a 40 inch vert.

I don't know, I just don't take these numbers or pics all that serious. Open gym, tricky angles, exaggerated numbers.

[connseanery]

Culver can have a 50 inch vert in an open gym, but when you watch the game tape that explosion doesn't show up. He has a bad first step and his athleticism/explosion seems to be a negative not a positive for him.

This is like the RJ vert pic that made the rounds a couple days ago. Thats cool and all and RJ even shows that explosion in transition. But can anyone find me a clip of him using that explosion in the half court? There might be 1 or 2 clips, maybe. The vast majority of the time RJ struggles to create space and ends up being a below the rim finisher in the half court.

Culver has the craftier handle than RJ, but if you see this pic of Culver and think he's going to be this high flying act, you're going to be disappointed. I think Culver is going to be good, but I think he's going to be well more known as a crafty scorer, not a high flying guy.

I agree. I'm just wondering if anyone else has ever tested so well on a vertical jump test and then have such a huge difference in functional leaping in games. 45 1/2" vert and touching over 12 feet is pretty crazy for a 6' 6" player. All the other guys that have tested in the same range with those types of verts are really impressive in games too. Zion, DJ Stephens

Well 1st I don't buy the 45.5" number to begin with. You have to go back to the 2002 combine to find someone with a 45.5" vet. This is an unofficial number said by TTU strength and conditioning coach. Every team does this. Duke did the same angle with Brandon Ingram and said he had a 40 inch vert.

I don't know, I just don't take these numbers or pics all that serious. Open gym, tricky angles, exaggerated numbers.

Except there is picture evidence of him touching higher than 12 feet. They have the 12 foot tester on a 6 inch box in the photo. Doing the math a 12' 2" touch minus Culver's combine measured 8' 4 1/2 standing reach = 45 1/2 inch vert. They don't put a vertical tester on something else unless a player can go higher than 12 feet. The vertical tester is stable when on the ground by itself. They did the same thing when Zion tested at duke. Staff put the tester on a stack of weights and needed someone to hold it to keep it stable.

[doordoor123]

Just based on my research, it seems like Jaxson Hayes has a lottery promise and his floor is 12. Probably one of the two Hawks picks.

[GimmeDat]

Just based on my research, it seems like Jaxson Hayes has a lottery promise and his floor is 12. Probably one of the two Hawks picks.

What stuff has led you to that conclusion? Obviously sounds plausible.

[GimmeDat]

Is anyone familiar with Jordan Ray? Friend of the Ball family, played 'JBA'. Claims he was a 4* with Div 1 offers but everything surrounding him seems sketchy as and the clips on him make him look terrible. Also only played like 3mpg in EYBL. Now he's claiming he's headed to the NBL on a next stars contract, despite the major journo's saying they've never heard of him as an option. Seems like a bunch of BS.

Just interested because he 'apparently' declared for the 2019 draft back in November.

[916fan]

Is anyone familiar with Jordan Ray? Friend of the Ball family, played 'JBA'. Claims he was a 4* with Div 1 offers but everything surrounding him seems sketchy as and the clips on him make him look terrible. Also only played like 3mpg in EYBL. Now he's claiming he's headed to the NBL on a next stars contract, despite the major journo's saying they've never heard of him as an option. Seems like a bunch of BS.

Just interested because he 'apparently' declared for the 2019 draft back in November.

He's a bit irrelevant for this thread, but I think he's got some mental issues.

[doordoor123]

Just based on my research, it seems like Jaxson Hayes has a lottery promise and his floor is 12. Probably one of the two Hawks picks.

What stuff has led you to that conclusion? Obviously sounds plausible.

Combination of things, who he worked out for, what team needs a player like him, who he isn’t working out for and what insiders are saying.

I look up player salaries, glued to hoopshype media twitter page, I follow my own people I follow, I look up people within organizations and see if they have information out there or people they know who have information out there, and I look up interviews on podcasts/articles. It just seems like he has a promise in that range.

This year teams are really tight-lipped too. They’re putting out a lot less information this year. I’m playing more of a detective this year than I have in the past.

[Roddy B for 3]

What does this board think of Kyle Guy, Sagane Konate, and Naz Reid?

[eminence]

What does this board think of Kyle Guy, Sagane Konate, and Naz Reid?

I really like Konate as a potential steal. Showed 3pt range and can really get up around the rim on defense. Needs work on the fundamentals, but I think he has the potential.

Others I'm pretty meh on, have some skills, but don't expect they'll translate. All are 2nds to me, Konate an early 2nd, others late.