JustCame wrote:King Ken wrote:Nazrmohamed wrote:
No I do not have imperial data to prove it but I dont know that there was when Jalen played. Idk that Culver is more or less athletic than his peers but I watched Jalen Rose. The guy was about as athletic as Shaun Livingston post injury. Actually Livibgston is a perfect comparison. Skilled in the half court and can run an offense anywhere from the 1-3 but wasnt at all verticle.
I thought Culver was your boy. You gotta know hes more athletic than that.
You got the wrong person. I am on the anti Culver train but I still like him in some ways.
I just don't see a top 10 pick
I don't see any arguments for this whatsoever. This draft class is very weak past the top 3. Culver has shown a great overall offensive game (can pretty much do it all), good defense, and carried Texas Tech to the Championship game. There's no way you could convince me there are 10 better prospects.
You can nitpick and say things like he's not a good shooter (overblown; he's above-average), takes too many bad shots, doesn't have elite athleticism. He actually fixed his shooting form a little for this year, which could explain his regression in 3pt%, and it proves that he can further adapt his shot. Every prospect has their own flaws, and that's why I have him top 5 in my rankings and not top 3.
Does Culver have athletisism on par with young Paul Pierce?
Pierce is said to have always had an old man's game.
So if Culver has a SG old man's game and Pierce having had an old man SF game I can tell what level of player they will be if their athletisim is equal.
A player with the accomplishment and skill of JC with Pierce athletic abilities is #2 pick Imo.
I don't think JC has athletic abilities like. Young Pierce.
So I'm trying to think of a SG in the last two decades with JC's skills but with (I think JC is definitely less athletic than DeAndre Hunter who projects as a good or better defensive player) what I fear is JC's athletic abilities.
If JC is a 6 on the NBA rotation plyer athletic abilities and Rookie Paul Pierce was a 9. Then I can project accordingly. JC had great skills so what does. 6 athletic with a 9 skills leave you? Maybe an above average rotation player
JC needs to be able to attack the basket harder. If he thickens up and retains explosion and strength he'll be good. His best scoring ability is his three point shoot and his straight line drive.
His three point shoot is good but he got smothered all year. Some players have high wife open stats and low covered stats. JC has a low 3pt % against double teams are guys like DeAndre Hunter picking him up all game in a championship setting.
That's JC's scoring ability. His PG is below average for an NBA starting PG but is very good for an NBA starting SG.
He'll just have a tough time hitting his kick out passes if he can't beat guys like KCP and Jaylen Brown and Lonzo Ball he'll be able to match guys like Buddy Heild but Dearon Fox would be able to keep his feet in front of JC.
So JC has to be able to hit those pull up threea. He's about a 31% shooter from the college three on those shots. On high volume.
He's about a 40% shooter from college three on open shots. On high volume.
I don't like projecting skills on a player when evaluating. I evaluate as JC as a better 3pt shooting Evan Turner.
A 7 or 8 man on a really good team or a #3 on a friendgs playoff team.
If he can lern to shoot more efficiently, his unique skills will have him as a near all-star (his 90th percentage out come is probably Joe Johnson.)
I am evaulating JC as a Eric Gordon type player, I expect his skills to increase but his above the rim game to become more of a pull up game.
Eric Gordon if healthy all year and playing at his consistent high level (instead of real life where he has cold weeks), if Eric Gordon player at his high game all year (like what actual stars do) he would be viewed similar to Joe Johnson (maybe a tier less).
I expect JC to miss games due to injury (his slight frame) but to be a very valuable player if he can hit his non-corner threes above 36% on average.
If he can't fix his non corner threes I think he'll be a below average starter.