2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Personally thought that the Raps have received huge favorable no calls of defense both games, especially in the 1st half. Cant see how Raps can complain. That 4th Q was nonstop help, including an incredible tech, a foul on Curry to steal, followed by Van tripping on his own feet a loose ball call on Curry.

I promised my wife to not complain about it though. I saw this as a double digit blowout without all the favorable interpretations. The post above reminds me of the Rockets video....I cant see how Raps can blame the refs for all their missed shots. They got every kind of help, including a jump ball violation, which almost never happens. An overturned out of bounds that wasnt unquestionably wrong by any means (looked like ball changed rotation as it brushed Gasols arm). Curry getting 'physical' defense almost every possession, multiple times, Siaka & Gasol pushing dubs to ground and out of bounds on rebounds. I could make 20 examples, if I wanted to go there.

It is my resolution to make this my last post ever about refs. It is entertainment and the league often instructs the refs in a way that can help or hurt team chances. Part of the game, I guess. Clearly the instructiins include the ABC team, which seem to be seeing a different reality (and hate GS with a passion, never bothering to hide it most the time). Hit your shots and it doesnt matter is the way i plan to go from now on.

lol even bill simmons called out the refs in his podcast for their favorable whistle for the warriors and he's hardly a homer.

so tf what, no one thinks the raps lost this game due to refs. They lost due to going 12 straight posessions without scoring including no fg's and 5 to's. but but but but but but refs sounds trashy.

lol only reason warriors were in the game starting third because of the refs...spotted gsw at least 10 points.
what does it say about a so called 'dynasty' that needs refs help game in and game out to win?
zach lowe even called out curry for 'flailing' to get calls in game 1.

[Childs]

Regardless of the outcome, it's extraordinary the support the Raptors have nation wide.

https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2019/06/jurassic-park-raptors-cities-canada/

Thirty-seven cities across Canada now have their own Jurassic Parks, but Raptors fans don’t stop at the border. The NBA Finals are being viewed around the world.

Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Brazil, China, Italy, Japan and the Philippines all have Raptors viewing parties. Fans in India will be able to livestream the game on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube for the first time, too.

You don't see this everyday.

[righterwriter]

Regardless of the outcome, it's extraordinary the support the Raptors have nation wide.

https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2019/06/jurassic-park-raptors-cities-canada/

Thirty-seven cities across Canada now have their own Jurassic Parks, but Raptors fans don’t stop at the border. The NBA Finals are being viewed around the world.

Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Brazil, China, Italy, Japan and the Philippines all have Raptors viewing parties. Fans in India will be able to livestream the game on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube for the first time, too.

You don't see this everyday.

So basically you have a country that has only one team, therefore across the country people are watching the game at organized parties.

Then you have Canadian expats and a few local fans getting together to watch a game.

Wow. Monumental stuff there. The wind of change is blowing strong.

[510TWSS]

lol even bill simmons called out the refs in his podcast for their favorable whistle for the warriors and he's hardly a homer.

so tf what, no one thinks the raps lost this game due to refs. They lost due to going 12 straight posessions without scoring including no fg's and 5 to's. but but but but but but refs sounds trashy.

lol only reason warriors were in the game starting third because of the refs...spotted gsw at least 10 points.
what does it say about a so called 'dynasty' that needs refs help game in and game out to win?
zach lowe even called out curry for 'flailing' to get calls in game 1.

I listened to the post game pods too. Warriors got some favorable calls first half so did the Raps in the 2nd. But every analyst didn’t even mention that as a reason why the Raps lost. Literally no one is attaching this loss on the refs.

Go up to any raptor player rn and ask them if they believe the refs **** them. I’m sure they’d say it was the fact they went nearly half of a quarter without scoring.

[iggymcfrack]

Time to move on. Enough with the ref stuff. Here’s how I see the rest of the series going:

Game 3: Warriors are at their most banged up, Raptors feeling their backs against the wall a bit coming off a loss: Raptors win

Game 4: Warriors down 2-1 at home, probably getting a lift from KD returning: Warriors win

Game 5: Toronto is absolutely crazy for a pivotal game back in Canada. Homecourt leads to a bounceback victory: Raptors win

Game 6: Down 3-2 at home and mostly healthy, we see the super saiyan Warriors come back out. Refs dont give Raptors much of a chance, but it doesn’t matter. Warriors win by 20.

Game 7: As the lights burn brighter and brighter in the ultimate pressure cooker of a Game 7, we begin to see the choky Curry come back out to play. He has something like 21 points on 2/8 from 3 while the ultimate clutch player in the NBA in Kawhi hangs up 40. Raptors win the game and series in 7.

[durden_tyler]

Time to move on. Enough with the ref stuff. Here’s how I see the rest of the series going:

Game 3: Warriors are at their most banged up, Raptors feeling their backs against the wall a bit coming off a loss: Raptors win

Game 4: Warriors down 2-1 at home, probably getting a lift from KD returning: Warriors win

Game 5: Toronto is absolutely crazy for a pivotal game back in Canada. Homecourt leads to a bounceback victory: Raptors win

Game 6: Down 3-2 at home and mostly healthy, we see the super saiyan Warriors come back out. Refs dont give Raptors much of a chance, but it doesn’t matter. Warriors win by 20.

Game 7: As the lights burn brighter and brighter in the ultimate pressure cooker of a Game 7, we begin to see the choky Curry come back out to play. He has something like 21 points on 2/8 from 3 while the ultimate clutch player in the NBA in Kawhi hangs up 40. Raptors win the game and series in 7.

Warriors in 5. Maybe 6. So you wasted maybe a couple of paragraphs there.

[Firespo]

Time to move on. Enough with the ref stuff. Here’s how I see the rest of the series going:

Game 3: Warriors are at their most banged up, Raptors feeling their backs against the wall a bit coming off a loss: Raptors win

Game 4: Warriors down 2-1 at home, probably getting a lift from KD returning: Warriors win

Game 5: Toronto is absolutely crazy for a pivotal game back in Canada. Homecourt leads to a bounceback victory: Raptors win

Game 6: Down 3-2 at home and mostly healthy, we see the super saiyan Warriors come back out. Refs dont give Raptors much of a chance, but it doesn’t matter. Warriors win by 20.

Game 7: As the lights burn brighter and brighter in the ultimate pressure cooker of a Game 7, we begin to see the choky Curry come back out to play. He has something like 21 points on 2/8 from 3 while the ultimate clutch player in the NBA in Kawhi hangs up 40. Raptors win the game and series in 7.

Warriors in 5. Maybe 6. So you wasted maybe a couple of paragraphs there.

lol no chance this series turns into a gentleman's sweep. Raptors are way to good for that.

[shza]

Time to move on. Enough with the ref stuff. Here’s how I see the rest of the series going:

Game 3: Warriors are at their most banged up, Raptors feeling their backs against the wall a bit coming off a loss: Raptors win

Game 4: Warriors down 2-1 at home, probably getting a lift from KD returning: Warriors win

Game 5: Toronto is absolutely crazy for a pivotal game back in Canada. Homecourt leads to a bounceback victory: Raptors win

Game 6: Down 3-2 at home and mostly healthy, we see the super saiyan Warriors come back out. Refs dont give Raptors much of a chance, but it doesn’t matter. Warriors win by 20.

Game 7: As the lights burn brighter and brighter in the ultimate pressure cooker of a Game 7, we begin to see the choky Curry come back out to play. He has something like 21 points on 2/8 from 3 while the ultimate clutch player in the NBA in Kawhi hangs up 40. Raptors win the game and series in 7.

Warriors in 5. Maybe 6. So you wasted maybe a couple of paragraphs there.

lol no chance this series turns into a gentleman's sweep. Raptors are way to good for that.

I think what you meant is, “Warriors are too injured for that.” Raps are a joke if they cant win with basically the whole Warriors team besides Steph and Dray injured.

[Zvaart]

lol @people saying dubs in 5

Not sure we can win it without at least klay being ok. even so it's not a given. Raps are a good team.

[Turbo_Zone]

Regardless of the outcome, it's extraordinary the support the Raptors have nation wide.

https://www.blogto.com/sports_play/2019/06/jurassic-park-raptors-cities-canada/

Thirty-seven cities across Canada now have their own Jurassic Parks, but Raptors fans don’t stop at the border. The NBA Finals are being viewed around the world.

Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Brazil, China, Italy, Japan and the Philippines all have Raptors viewing parties. Fans in India will be able to livestream the game on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube for the first time, too.

You don't see this everyday.

Watch on YouTube

[Tracymcgoaty]

Time to move on. Enough with the ref stuff. Here’s how I see the rest of the series going:

Game 3: Warriors are at their most banged up, Raptors feeling their backs against the wall a bit coming off a loss: Raptors win

Game 4: Warriors down 2-1 at home, probably getting a lift from KD returning: Warriors win

Game 5: Toronto is absolutely crazy for a pivotal game back in Canada. Homecourt leads to a bounceback victory: Raptors win

Game 6: Down 3-2 at home and mostly healthy, we see the super saiyan Warriors come back out. Refs dont give Raptors much of a chance, but it doesn’t matter. Warriors win by 20.

Game 7: As the lights burn brighter and brighter in the ultimate pressure cooker of a Game 7, we begin to see the choky Curry come back out to play. He has something like 21 points on 2/8 from 3 while the ultimate clutch player in the NBA in Kawhi hangs up 40. Raptors win the game and series in 7.

Fantastic prediction..completely unbiased.

[kwajo]

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[DingleJerry]

Spoiler:

You got it. The lottery picks are deliberately steered. Conversely, folks who put their trust in a self-interested, multi-billion dollar entity will rationalize to support their claims.

What seems more true to you: a multi-billion dollar entity that deliberately maximizes its product for its stakeholders, or a multi-billion dollar entity that allows ping pong balls and "odds" to determine things?

If you ran a business, would you protect your profitability and livelihood by marketing your products, or just hope word of mouth grows your business? If anyone needs to "look into" something, it's you looking into common sense.

Most true to me would be that a multi billion business that is raking in billions upon billions of dollars (with no end in sight) would risk such a colossal scandal that would question the integrity of the league. A conspiracy that would require dozens of conspirators (yet none have leaked anything). Moreover, this is a business with 30 separate partners so I would not run my business by willingly screwing certain partners for the sake of others while risking a scandal the whole time. On top of that, all 30 partners should logically be invested to have this be legit to protect themselves and their interests. You're essentially arguing that these owners are willingly allowing this to happen against their own best financial interests. Or if they're not in on it, that if they uncovered it could then sue the league for billions.

Once again, I'm confident you have not read up at all on the current lottery process and the transparency involved. Come off the ledge and take 10 minutes to read up on it. or not, I'm sure it's more fun to live in fantasy land.

False premise. Why would a business that sets its own rules and acts in its own best interest according to those rules be a scandal? They can do anything they want with their product as long as it doesn't break local or federal law. You're also assuming what owners know and how they participate. I notice that you can't answer what I've written and instead attempt to red herring the argument. This is a common tactic of the dimly lit.

Move on and stop hijacking the thread with inanity.

You moved onto insults instead of the discussion, what does that say about you?

How did I not address what you've written? You said that they would rig the lottery to control outcomes, I said they would value avoiding the scandal and the lost revenue from that over the perceived value of rigging it. Seems like a fairly direct answer to me. But keep persisting all you want. I would argue the dimly lit is the one who refuses to spend 10 minutes reading about the current lottery process and insists on being uninformed just so he can live in a conspiracy world that makes sense to him. And then insults the informed person instead.

It would be a scandal because they would be lying to their fans, possibly other owners and basically undermining the authenticity/integrity of the league (thus leading it to being viewed like WWE instead of true competition). You don't think revenue would drop massively if this scandal came out, showing they've been cheating their customers for years?

You're right, they can make rules how they want but they would make them public or known by all involved, not lie to everyone including possibly their partners. I also addressed it both ways regarding whether the 30 partners know. First, if they don't then obviously they'll be pissed that they're being lied to and cheated out of money and have grounds to sue. And if they are in on it, well it just makes a grander conspiracy no involving hundreds of people who apparently have somehow never leaked anything.

[Shady Franchise]

Time to move on. Enough with the ref stuff. Here’s how I see the rest of the series going:

Game 3: Warriors are at their most banged up, Raptors feeling their backs against the wall a bit coming off a loss: Raptors win

Game 4: Warriors down 2-1 at home, probably getting a lift from KD returning: Warriors win

Game 5: Toronto is absolutely crazy for a pivotal game back in Canada. Homecourt leads to a bounceback victory: Raptors win

Game 6: Down 3-2 at home and mostly healthy, we see the super saiyan Warriors come back out. Refs dont give Raptors much of a chance, but it doesn’t matter. Warriors win by 20.

Game 7: As the lights burn brighter and brighter in the ultimate pressure cooker of a Game 7, we begin to see the choky Curry come back out to play. He has something like 21 points on 2/8 from 3 while the ultimate clutch player in the NBA in Kawhi hangs up 40. Raptors win the game and series in 7.

Fantastic prediction..completely unbiased.

[T-d0t]

Refs allowed them to play in game 1, so many ticky tack fouls in game 2.

Not blaming the loss on the refs tho. Need more players in the starting lineup for the Raps than just Kawhi to actually show up.

[ShotCreator]

This series has such 2014 Finals feels. Toronto could be so much better than they've been on both ends of the floor.

Miami sort of stole that game 2 in a similar way. The home team(Toronto, SA), lead for most of both games. Toronto won 6/8 quarters against GS.

[T-d0t]

double

[TheGOATWill]

Who among the 8 deep raptors brings their game on the road. Oracle will be obnoxious. Who has those kinda chops. Aside from Kawhi obviously, to me the other guy that has to be somebody is Kyle Lowry.

[mademan]

hottish take, but at their best, i only take Lebron and Jordan over Curry. He's that good

[Lunartic]

The easiest way for the league to alter and shape the outcome of a game is simply get Impactful players in foul trouble early

Anyone thinking the league wanted the Raps to take a 2-0 lead while at the same time assigning Tony Brothers and Scott Foster to the same game is delusional.

Those two are hands down, the most corrupt referees working today. Even Joey Crawford was not as blatant as these two chimps.

It's a disgrace.

Kawhi drives. Goes up to shoot. Stripped clean by Cousins. Boogie called for a foul. Curry blindly flings ball in the air that lands at the feet of Scott Foster. Technical foul. Was that also disgraceful?

Do you believe that the NBA/refs have ever tried to modify the outcome of a game? There's evidence and proof that the refs have done this before for personal gain.

What's the most blatant and obvious game with ref tampering you can think of?

Does that game have multiple calls that benefit both teams? Even bad calls against the team they are rigging it for? Absolutely.

I can find a bunch of calls that benefited the Kings in the 2003 debacle.

Getting players into early foul trouble is and always will be the go to method of influencing a game and casual fans don't notice when they are counting FTA and assuming that tells the story.

I'm assuming you're a Warriors fan. Tell me, would you prefer to have -5 FTA and and no significant foul trouble or +5 FTA and Curry/Dray/Klay with 4 fouls heading into the third quarter?

Early foul trouble on a teams best defenders (Lowry and Siakam) absolutely ruins the teams ability to play defense and contain the other teams runs. Which in in turn limits their MPG and thus their offensive impact.