2019 Draft Class

eminence · Post #3781 » by **eminence** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 1:12 pm

Also, I don't think anyone should be surprised Culver has some hops, his brother is an elite caliber high jumper correct?

No-Man · Post #3782 » by **No-Man** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 1:13 pm

I'd draft Konate in the late 40s

MotownMadness · Post #3783 » by **MotownMadness** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 3:01 pm

eminence wrote:Also, I don't think anyone should be surprised Culver has some hops, his brother is an elite caliber high jumper correct?

Who’s his bro?

eminence · Post #3784 » by **eminence** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 3:03 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
eminence wrote:Also, I don't think anyone should be surprised Culver has some hops, his brother is an elite caliber high jumper correct?

Who’s his bro?

Trey Culver

doordoor123 · Post #3785 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 3:12 pm

Roddy B for 3 wrote:What does this board think of Kyle Guy, Sagane Konate, and Naz Reid?

Naz Reid is underrated, just because he isn’t a top prospects (his defense is bad), doesn’t mean he can’t have a role. He’s a Roleplayer off the bench who can run the floor and shoot threes. That’s a valuable Roleplayer. If I’m looking for that it’s a late first to mid-second pick.

Kyle Guy is probably a late 2nd to Undrafted, depending on if a team fall in love with him. But he’s pretty much guaranteed a two-way if he doesn’t get drafted. He has a lot of similarities as Bryn Forbes when he came out.

Sagaba Konate is barely draftable to me. His touch around the basket is terrible for a big, he’s undersized and IMO not as great of a defender as everyone pretends he is. He’ll be a solid G-league player.

916fan · Post #3786 » by **916fan** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 3:40 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:What does this board think of Kyle Guy, Sagane Konate, and Naz Reid?

Naz Reid is underrated, just because he isn’t a top prospects (his defense is bad), doesn’t mean he can’t have a role. He’s a Roleplayer off the bench who can run the floor and shoot threes. That’s a valuable Roleplayer. If I’m looking for that it’s a late first to mid-second pick.

Kyle Guy is probably a late 2nd to Undrafted, depending on if a team fall in love with him. But he’s pretty much guaranteed a two-way if he doesn’t get drafted. He has a lot of similarities as Bryn Forbes when he came out.

Sagaba Konate is barely draftable to me. His touch around the basket is terrible for a big, he’s undersized and IMO not as great of a defender as everyone pretends he is. He’ll be a solid G-league player.

Am I way off for thinking Kyle Guy isn't a legitimate NBA player? Unathetic undersized SG who doesn't do anything except for shoot 3s. You can find a bunch of these guys everywhere in college.

I think Kyle Guy gets 2 bumps, with 1 of them being that he played for Virginia.

Stillwater · Post #3787 » by **Stillwater** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 4:01 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:What does this board think of Kyle Guy, Sagane Konate, and Naz Reid?

Naz Reid is underrated, just because he isn’t a top prospects (his defense is bad), doesn’t mean he can’t have a role. He’s a Roleplayer off the bench who can run the floor and shoot threes. That’s a valuable Roleplayer. If I’m looking for that it’s a late first to mid-second pick.

Kyle Guy is probably a late 2nd to Undrafted, depending on if a team fall in love with him. But he’s pretty much guaranteed a two-way if he doesn’t get drafted. He has a lot of similarities as Bryn Forbes when he came out.

Sagaba Konate is barely draftable to me. His touch around the basket is terrible for a big, he’s undersized and IMO not as great of a defender as everyone pretends he is. He’ll be a solid G-league player.

Naz has late first potential because of his decent offensive game, but bad defender is being generous I mean he is probably the worst front court defender that has a chance of being drafted...
I think he slides to the late 30's unless he proves to be better in workouts defensively than he showed in college.If he does that he could be taken a in the early 20's.

Upperclass · Post #3788 » by **Upperclass** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 8:46 pm

Kyle Guy is special. I can't quantify what it is.. but he'll be a starting pg for someone like the Pacers very quickly imo.

doordoor123 · Post #3789 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 9:27 pm

Stillwater wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Roddy B for 3 wrote:What does this board think of Kyle Guy, Sagane Konate, and Naz Reid?

Naz Reid is underrated, just because he isn’t a top prospects (his defense is bad), doesn’t mean he can’t have a role. He’s a Roleplayer off the bench who can run the floor and shoot threes. That’s a valuable Roleplayer. If I’m looking for that it’s a late first to mid-second pick.

Kyle Guy is probably a late 2nd to Undrafted, depending on if a team fall in love with him. But he’s pretty much guaranteed a two-way if he doesn’t get drafted. He has a lot of similarities as Bryn Forbes when he came out.

Sagaba Konate is barely draftable to me. His touch around the basket is terrible for a big, he’s undersized and IMO not as great of a defender as everyone pretends he is. He’ll be a solid G-league player.

Naz has late first potential because of his decent offensive game, but bad defender is being generous I mean he is probably the worst front court defender that has a chance of being drafted...
I think he slides to the late 30's unless he proves to be better in workouts defensively than he showed in college.If he does that he could be taken a in the early 20's.

Well he’s a freshman playing for a coach who isn’t known for developing bigs.

doordoor123 · Post #3790 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 9:29 pm

Upperclass wrote:Kyle Guy is special. I can't quantify what it is.. but he'll be a starting pg for someone like the Pacers very quickly imo.

Confidence and hustle. I don’t think he’ll ever be a starter though. I’ve said this before, he reminds me of Bryn Forbes.

doordoor123 · Post #3791 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 9:40 pm

Another guy on the rise, Quinndary Weathspoon. He’s performing really well as a point guard. Likely an early to mid 2nd round pick.

clyde21 · Post #3792 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 9:43 pm

Fischella wrote:I'd draft Konate in the late 40s

if the shooting he showed early in the year is legit then yes

clyde21 · Post #3793 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 9:46 pm

Jerome is a much better prospect than Guy

Guy is more of a two-way contract guy at best

doordoor123 · Post #3794 » by **doordoor123** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 10:06 pm

clyde21 wrote:Jerome is a much better prospect than Guy

Guy is more of a two-way contract guy at best

Jerome is a point guard says NBA staffs during this draft process. Likely a back up point guard/combo guard off the bench.

clyde21 · Post #3795 » by **clyde21** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 10:10 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:Jerome is a much better prospect than Guy

Guy is more of a two-way contract guy at best

Jerome is a point guard says NBA staffs during this draft process. Likely a back up point guard/combo guard off the bench.

yes, Satoransky is my comp for him

nolang1 · Post #3796 » by **nolang1** » Wed Jun 5, 2019 11:01 pm

doordoor123 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Naz Reid is underrated, just because he isn’t a top prospects (his defense is bad), doesn’t mean he can’t have a role. He’s a Roleplayer off the bench who can run the floor and shoot threes. That’s a valuable Roleplayer. If I’m looking for that it’s a late first to mid-second pick.

Kyle Guy is probably a late 2nd to Undrafted, depending on if a team fall in love with him. But he’s pretty much guaranteed a two-way if he doesn’t get drafted. He has a lot of similarities as Bryn Forbes when he came out.

Sagaba Konate is barely draftable to me. His touch around the basket is terrible for a big, he’s undersized and IMO not as great of a defender as everyone pretends he is. He’ll be a solid G-league player.

Naz has late first potential because of his decent offensive game, but bad defender is being generous I mean he is probably the worst front court defender that has a chance of being drafted...
I think he slides to the late 30's unless he proves to be better in workouts defensively than he showed in college.If he does that he could be taken a in the early 20's.

Well he’s a freshman playing for a coach who isn’t known for developing bigs.

Which college coaches are known for developing bigs? This seems like a pretty weird dig at a coach who has won at 3 different places in 6 years - I guess he didn't get anyone from Chattanooga to the NBA the two years he was there? The only freshman bigs going ahead of Reid are a player who was ranked much higher than him before the season and a late bloomer who's raw as hell and much more athletic. Reid not going high in the draft despite being a McDonald's all American or whatever is more due to bigs not being particularly valuable and this freshman class being weak.

doordoor123 · Post #3797 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 12:59 am

nolang1 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Naz has late first potential because of his decent offensive game, but bad defender is being generous I mean he is probably the worst front court defender that has a chance of being drafted...
I think he slides to the late 30's unless he proves to be better in workouts defensively than he showed in college.If he does that he could be taken a in the early 20's.

Well he’s a freshman playing for a coach who isn’t known for developing bigs.

Which college coaches are known for developing bigs? This seems like a pretty weird dig at a coach who has won at 3 different places in 6 years - I guess he didn't get anyone from Chattanooga to the NBA the two years he was there? The only freshman bigs going ahead of Reid are a player who was ranked much higher than him before the season and a late bloomer who's raw as hell and much more athletic. Reid not going high in the draft despite being a McDonald's all American or whatever is more due to bigs not being particularly valuable and this freshman class being weak.

A lot of college coaches nowadays are guard and wing oriented, because there aren’t a lot of true bigs out there. Not a knock on him in particular, but he’s not a coach that is known for having quality bigs or bigs that hes developed. What schools are good at developing bigs? Historically Michigan State, Georgetown, Florida State, Florida, Duke, Gonzaga, Minnesota, Oregon, Baylor, Utah, Maryland, etc.

Teams bad with bigs, LSU, Texas, Kansas, Notre Dame, Arizona State, etc/most teams nowadays.

Wade has never been a coach that coaches bigs particularly well.

nolang1 · Post #3798 » by **nolang1** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 1:35 am

doordoor123 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
Well he’s a freshman playing for a coach who isn’t known for developing bigs.

Which college coaches are known for developing bigs? This seems like a pretty weird dig at a coach who has won at 3 different places in 6 years - I guess he didn't get anyone from Chattanooga to the NBA the two years he was there? The only freshman bigs going ahead of Reid are a player who was ranked much higher than him before the season and a late bloomer who's raw as hell and much more athletic. Reid not going high in the draft despite being a McDonald's all American or whatever is more due to bigs not being particularly valuable and this freshman class being weak.

A lot of college coaches nowadays are guard and wing oriented, because there aren’t a lot of true bigs out there. Not a knock on him in particular, but he’s not a coach that is known for having quality bigs or bigs that hes developed. What schools are good at developing bigs? Historically Michigan State, Georgetown, Florida State, Florida, Duke, Gonzaga, Minnesota, Oregon, Baylor, Utah, Maryland, etc.

Teams bad with bigs, LSU, Texas, Kansas, Notre Dame, Arizona State, etc/most teams nowadays.

Wade has never been a coach that coaches bigs particularly well.

Wade has been a head coach for literally 6 years and has literally had 1 recruiting class as a high-major coach, and then of course if you're talking about timeframes so long ago as to be basically 100% irrelevant, you could say that LSU with Shaq is historically doing pretty well.

doordoor123 · Post #3799 » by **doordoor123** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 1:38 am

nolang1 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
Which college coaches are known for developing bigs? This seems like a pretty weird dig at a coach who has won at 3 different places in 6 years - I guess he didn't get anyone from Chattanooga to the NBA the two years he was there? The only freshman bigs going ahead of Reid are a player who was ranked much higher than him before the season and a late bloomer who's raw as hell and much more athletic. Reid not going high in the draft despite being a McDonald's all American or whatever is more due to bigs not being particularly valuable and this freshman class being weak.

A lot of college coaches nowadays are guard and wing oriented, because there aren’t a lot of true bigs out there. Not a knock on him in particular, but he’s not a coach that is known for having quality bigs or bigs that hes developed. What schools are good at developing bigs? Historically Michigan State, Georgetown, Florida State, Florida, Duke, Gonzaga, Minnesota, Oregon, Baylor, Utah, Maryland, etc.

Teams bad with bigs, LSU, Texas, Kansas, Notre Dame, Arizona State, etc/most teams nowadays.

Wade has never been a coach that coaches bigs particularly well.

Wade has been a head coach for literally 6 years, and then of course if you're talking about timeframes so long ago as to be basically irrelevant, you could say that LSU with Shaq is historically doing pretty well.

I would disagree because Shaq could have easily jumped to the NBA from high school. LSU didn’t really develop him as a center. I’m not talking about recruiting, I’m talking about developing.

nolang1 · Post #3800 » by **nolang1** » Thu Jun 6, 2019 1:47 am

doordoor123 wrote:
nolang1 wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
A lot of college coaches nowadays are guard and wing oriented, because there aren’t a lot of true bigs out there. Not a knock on him in particular, but he’s not a coach that is known for having quality bigs or bigs that hes developed. What schools are good at developing bigs? Historically Michigan State, Georgetown, Florida State, Florida, Duke, Gonzaga, Minnesota, Oregon, Baylor, Utah, Maryland, etc.

Teams bad with bigs, LSU, Texas, Kansas, Notre Dame, Arizona State, etc/most teams nowadays.

Wade has never been a coach that coaches bigs particularly well.

Wade has been a head coach for literally 6 years, and then of course if you're talking about timeframes so long ago as to be basically irrelevant, you could say that LSU with Shaq is historically doing pretty well.

I would disagree because Shaq could have easily jumped to the NBA from high school. LSU didn’t really develop him as a center. I’m not talking about recruiting, I’m talking about developing.

I really don't know who you're supposed to be referring to as a well-developed big for half these schools, especially since obviously it's not the same coaching staff at these places for 40+ years in a row - what, are you trying to point to Kevin McHale as an example of Minnesota developing big men? Kris Humphries? Joel Przybylla? Who are the bigs from FSU, Gonzaga, Minnesota, Oregon, Baylor, Utah, and Maryland who have amounted to anything in the last 20 years? Which Duke big who wasn't a big-time can't-miss recruit (and there have been plenty of those like Sheldon Williams, Okafor, Josh McRoberts, and Marques Bolden who didn't amount to very much) has developed so much?