2019 Draft Discussion

[Liver_Pooty]

According to Danny Ainge Hayward is working oit out everyday almost all day long with up to 5 to 6 coaches.

[SWedd523]

Hayward was a bum in the playoffs

[BigSlam]

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[gundysmullet]

I’m glad the guy has his own opinion and others are welcome too. I don’t think anyone should be bashed. Just give thoughtful counterarguments and I’ll listen.

That being said I want ZERO part of Romeo Langford or Kevin Porter Jr if we keep that pick. My own opinion is take the risk package the pick and try to move a bad contract with it for a bad contract but much better player, I.E. Gordon Hayward or Kevin Love.

We have the youth to develop and need to get a sidekick who can score with Kemba. If we keep the pick, and Kemba I’m cool with PJ Washington, the French dude, Nas (not the rapper), Brandon Clarke (go ahead and hate me), or Bol Bol (hate me more). Most others besides the two I named before I’d be indifferent about.

If Kemba walks then I have zero care who we take because next years draft will be much more important. I don’t expect that.

I would not want Langford or Porter either but what on earth would be the point of adding love or Hayward? I mean do you just want the team to be mired in irlevant mediocrity forever? Right now, the hornets are probably the least talented team in the NBA, what is the point of adding olderplayers to the roster?

Hayward looked good at the end of last year. He’ll be fine. I’d take the risk on Love. We know his defense sucks but we need a 2nd scorer.

A “2nd score“ for what exactly? This team is completely bereft of talent from top to bottom. So getting Kevin Love as a second score would make them what, 13th in the east instead of 15th? What’s the goal? What is the object? As of right now the Charlotte hornets are the most irrelevant team in the NBA and a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward who’s in their 30s or close to it isn’t going to change that. This team needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. Adding a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward would be like putting a Band-Aid on a severed artery.

[Liver_Pooty]

I would not want Langford or Porter either but what on earth would be the point of adding love or Hayward? I mean do you just want the team to be mired in irlevant mediocrity forever? Right now, the hornets are probably the least talented team in the NBA, what is the point of adding olderplayers to the roster?

Hayward looked good at the end of last year. He’ll be fine. I’d take the risk on Love. We know his defense sucks but we need a 2nd scorer.

A “2nd score“ for what exactly? This team is completely bereft of talent from top to bottom. So getting Kevin Love as a second score would make them what, 13th in the east instead of 15th? What’s the goal? What is the object? As of right now the Charlotte hornets are the most irrelevant team in the NBA and a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward who’s in their 30s or close to it isn’t going to change that. This team needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. Adding a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward would be like putting a Band-Aid on a severed artery.

Please give me a Kemba, Bacon, Hayward, Bridges, Zeller (insert draft pick) lineup. Stevens and Ainge aren't giving up Hayward. If Love wasn't as injury prone as Zeller than a Kemba, Bacon, Bridges, Love, Zeller lineup looks okay. People forget how good Love use to be. Dude is a beast rebounder and can hit the 3.

[Liver_Pooty]

I think people are forgetting what NBA players get paid these days. Khris Middleton, although a fone player, will get the max. Rudy Gobert if im not mistaken eventually qualifies for a super max (you guys think hes going to lead a team to a title, no, same say Kemba wouldn't lead us to one but still gotta pay the man). Let the expirings off the hook, and we will be fine.

[Lwcasu]

I would not want Langford or Porter either but what on earth would be the point of adding love or Hayward? I mean do you just want the team to be mired in irlevant mediocrity forever? Right now, the hornets are probably the least talented team in the NBA, what is the point of adding olderplayers to the roster?

Hayward looked good at the end of last year. He’ll be fine. I’d take the risk on Love. We know his defense sucks but we need a 2nd scorer.

A “2nd score“ for what exactly? This team is completely bereft of talent from top to bottom. So getting Kevin Love as a second score would make them what, 13th in the east instead of 15th? What’s the goal? What is the object? As of right now the Charlotte hornets are the most irrelevant team in the NBA and a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward who’s in their 30s or close to it isn’t going to change that. This team needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. Adding a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward would be like putting a Band-Aid on a severed artery.

Your numbers are a little off. Not going to go into detail as it’s painfully obvious. Last I checked we were almost a playoff team. Our goal is making the playoffs. I’m not going to go into detail again why blowing up the entire team is the worst idea. Sure from an analytics perspective we have greater chance of landing good young players but from a pure business perspective after recently (recently in historical NBA terms) collecting the worst nba record ever while trying to rebuild, I’d argue it’s a very idea to go back to rebuilding. Who knows maybe we could then become the Seattle Hive.

Least talented team would be New York, Cleveland, Atlanta or one of the other lotto teams that doesn’t have major injuries. As long as we have Kemba in his prime then that’s not us.

[gundysmullet]

Hayward looked good at the end of last year. He’ll be fine. I’d take the risk on Love. We know his defense sucks but we need a 2nd scorer.

A “2nd score“ for what exactly? This team is completely bereft of talent from top to bottom. So getting Kevin Love as a second score would make them what, 13th in the east instead of 15th? What’s the goal? What is the object? As of right now the Charlotte hornets are the most irrelevant team in the NBA and a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward who’s in their 30s or close to it isn’t going to change that. This team needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. Adding a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward would be like putting a Band-Aid on a severed artery.

Your numbers are a little off. Not going to go into detail as it’s painfully obvious. Last I checked we were almost a playoff team. Our goal is making the playoffs. I’m not going to go into detail again why blowing up the entire team is the worst idea. Sure from an analytics perspective we have greater chance of landing good young players but from a pure business perspective after recently (recently in historical NBA terms) collecting the worst nba record ever while trying to rebuild, I’d argue it’s a very idea to go back to rebuilding. Who knows maybe we could then become the Seattle Hive.

Least talented team would be New York, Cleveland, Atlanta or one of the other lotto teams that doesn’t have major injuries. As long as we have Kemba in his prime then that’s not us.

Mitchell Robinson, Dennis Smith Jr., Mudiay, Kevin Knox, plus most likely RJ Barrett are better than any good young player on the hornets. Cleveland, I think you may be right on that one. Atlanta? Are you kidding me Trae young put up ridiculous numbers as a rookie this past season, John Collins is a stud big man that will be excellent for the next 10 years, Kevin Huerter looks really good, Dwayne Dedman, Alex Len, Omari Spelman,+2 lottery picks and number 17 in this year’s draft. And I’m sorry but if your goal is to “make the playoffs” then Detroit Pistons fans should be eternally happy, right? I will guarantee you that the Hornets will have one of the three worst record in the east this year. We can even make a username bet if you’d like. I think we live in such an instant gratification society that people no longer have the patience to see a true rebuild from the ground up, which is what the hornets are in desperate need of.

[UNCNYC]

Your posts are like the message board equivalent of spam. It’s really not fair to other posters and readers.

Hey, just wanted to take time and welcome you to the board. I hope that you will become a regular poster HERE, and I, as well as the others here, I am sure look forward to your opinions. We have a very small group of people who post here, and I look at that as a good thing that we share. Makes it more authentic and fun. You can feel a difference on this board. I have enjoyed your opinions over the past few weeks and I hope that you will grow to tolorate mine

"I" and from getting top know the "quality" of guys on this board I can go as far as saying "WE" would like to officially Welcome you to the HORNETS board. Go HORNETS

Thank you for the kind words, and I appreciate it. I have been reading this board for over a decade. I live in Greenville South Carolina so the Hornets on my “local team” but I also like the Hawks because they’re a little south of me. One team is headed in the right direction, unfortunately the other is mired irrelevant mediocrity.

The Hawks are pretty mediocure

[UNCNYC]

and if you haven't heard of Alen Smailagic its because he plays for the Santa Cruz Warriors and Golden State is trying to hide him

Who is Alen Smailagić? Smailagić is an 18 year-old Serbian basketball player who was selected 4th overall by the South Bay Lakers in last year’s G-League draft. The Lakers went on to trade him to the Santa Cruz Warriors in exchange for Jemerrio Jones and the Warriors 2019 1st round pick. With that happening, Smailagić became the youngest player to ever sign a G-League deal, having turned 18 just a couple of months before the draft. Because of his age, Smailagić wasn’t NBA draft eligible for another year, so just because the Warriors took him in the G-League draft didn’t mean they owned his NBA rights. It’s risky for a team to draft a player and help develop him, knowing he can immediately be selected by a different franchise a year later. The Warriors likely realized this, and there are definitely some things pointing towards the argument they’re hiding his talent from the rest of the league. During the G-League Showcase, the Warriors sat Smailagić citing “rest reasons” due to easing him into a season with more games than he’s accustomed to.

in this video the 18 yo hits a stepback 3, a post up fallaway, pokes the ball away several times leading to breakaways, finishes a breakaway with a reverse, bulls his way to the rim for an and-1, makes a beautiful high post entry pass, and swats three shots; and this highlight vid is from just one game

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I never heard of him, if I have I don't recall. Sometimes I hear of players and forget I did because I try and jeep up with so many. I forgot I had just researched Jordan Bone about a day before I thought I had never heard of him lol. This kid looks great tho. I would add him in but can't because he's already claimed. He definitely looks like a balla, shot calla

[Lwcasu]

A “2nd score“ for what exactly? This team is completely bereft of talent from top to bottom. So getting Kevin Love as a second score would make them what, 13th in the east instead of 15th? What’s the goal? What is the object? As of right now the Charlotte hornets are the most irrelevant team in the NBA and a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward who’s in their 30s or close to it isn’t going to change that. This team needs to be completely rebuilt from the ground up. Adding a Kevin Love or Gordon Hayward would be like putting a Band-Aid on a severed artery.

Your numbers are a little off. Not going to go into detail as it’s painfully obvious. Last I checked we were almost a playoff team. Our goal is making the playoffs. I’m not going to go into detail again why blowing up the entire team is the worst idea. Sure from an analytics perspective we have greater chance of landing good young players but from a pure business perspective after recently (recently in historical NBA terms) collecting the worst nba record ever while trying to rebuild, I’d argue it’s a very idea to go back to rebuilding. Who knows maybe we could then become the Seattle Hive.

Least talented team would be New York, Cleveland, Atlanta or one of the other lotto teams that doesn’t have major injuries. As long as we have Kemba in his prime then that’s not us.

Mitchell Robinson, Dennis Smith Jr., Mudiay, Kevin Knox, plus most likely RJ Barrett are better than any good young player on the hornets. Cleveland, I think you may be right on that one. Atlanta? Are you kidding me Trae young put up ridiculous numbers as a rookie this past season, John Collins is a stud big man that will be excellent for the next 10 years, Kevin Huerter looks really good, Dwayne Dedman, Alex Len, Omari Spelman,+2 lottery picks and number 17 in this year’s draft. And I’m sorry but if your goal is to “make the playoffs” then Detroit Pistons fans should be eternally happy, right? I will guarantee you that the Hornets will have one of the three worst record in the east this year. We can even make a username bet if you’d like. I think we live in such an instant gratification society that people no longer have the patience to see a true rebuild from the ground up, which is what the hornets are in desperate need of.

Teams don’t win on potential but rather actual skill. Harold minor was the next MJ for a while . I raise you Kemba Walker to all those guys you named. You should just stop.

Speaking of rebuild, ask the Knicks fans how great their rebuild has been going for the past few years. Since 2014 they’ve perpetually sucked.

[JMAC3]

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Bol Bol
Nas
Brandon Clarke
Cameron Reddish
Zion

A few of these are tougher ones, but here is what I have:

Player: Elite comp- Standard comp- Bust comp

Zion: Defensive Blake Griffin- Larry Johnson- Julius Randle

Cam Reddish: Paul George- Tashaun Prince - Tyler Honeycutt

Brandon Clarke: Aaron Gordon- Andre Roberson- Hakeem Warrick

Bol Bol: Kristaps Porzingis- Thon Maker- Hasheem Thabeet

Nasir Little: Ron Artest- Jabari Parker- James Johnson

A few bonus ones for Big Slam

Nic Claxton: Joakim Noah- Dwight Powell- Jared Jeffries

Carsten Edwards: Leandro Barbosa- Jerryd Bayless- Isiah Canaan


Talen Horton Tucker: Malcolm Brogdon- Evan Turner- Landry Fields







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[UNCNYC]

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Dude, don’t hold back! Drop them all!

I love player comps - especially in a year where I didn’t watch more than 11mins of college basketball for the entire year.


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I bet the jeopardy guy would bet it all that .30 seconds of those 11 mins were spent watching Zions shoes explode game

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[gundysmullet]

Your numbers are a little off. Not going to go into detail as it’s painfully obvious. Last I checked we were almost a playoff team. Our goal is making the playoffs. I’m not going to go into detail again why blowing up the entire team is the worst idea. Sure from an analytics perspective we have greater chance of landing good young players but from a pure business perspective after recently (recently in historical NBA terms) collecting the worst nba record ever while trying to rebuild, I’d argue it’s a very idea to go back to rebuilding. Who knows maybe we could then become the Seattle Hive.

Least talented team would be New York, Cleveland, Atlanta or one of the other lotto teams that doesn’t have major injuries. As long as we have Kemba in his prime then that’s not us.

Mitchell Robinson, Dennis Smith Jr., Mudiay, Kevin Knox, plus most likely RJ Barrett are better than any good young player on the hornets. Cleveland, I think you may be right on that one. Atlanta? Are you kidding me Trae young put up ridiculous numbers as a rookie this past season, John Collins is a stud big man that will be excellent for the next 10 years, Kevin Huerter looks really good, Dwayne Dedman, Alex Len, Omari Spelman,+2 lottery picks and number 17 in this year’s draft. And I’m sorry but if your goal is to “make the playoffs” then Detroit Pistons fans should be eternally happy, right? I will guarantee you that the Hornets will have one of the three worst record in the east this year. We can even make a username bet if you’d like. I think we live in such an instant gratification society that people no longer have the patience to see a true rebuild from the ground up, which is what the hornets are in desperate need of.

Teams don’t win on potential but rather actual skill. Harold minor was the next MJ for a while . I raise you Kemba Walker to all those guys you named. You should just stop.

Speaking of rebuild, ask the Knicks fans how great their rebuild has been going for the past few years. Since 2014 they’ve perpetually sucked.

Obviously Kemba is the best player amongst the group, I thought that was a given. I thought we were talking about young players on their respective rosters. I read the Knicks board and they are so excited about Mitchell Robinson, potentially the best young rim protector in the league plus Knox, plus number three, plus DSJ, plus the potential to sign some free agents or take the youth that they’ve acquired and trade it for AD. It sounds to me like you were content being mediocre As long as that mediocrity bears an 8th seed playoff spot and being swept in the first round. I want more and I have the patience for it. And you are correct, teams win on skill. And the Charlotte hornets have less skill and talent than virtually every other team in the NBA.

[Lwcasu]

Mitchell Robinson, Dennis Smith Jr., Mudiay, Kevin Knox, plus most likely RJ Barrett are better than any good young player on the hornets. Cleveland, I think you may be right on that one. Atlanta? Are you kidding me Trae young put up ridiculous numbers as a rookie this past season, John Collins is a stud big man that will be excellent for the next 10 years, Kevin Huerter looks really good, Dwayne Dedman, Alex Len, Omari Spelman,+2 lottery picks and number 17 in this year’s draft. And I’m sorry but if your goal is to “make the playoffs” then Detroit Pistons fans should be eternally happy, right? I will guarantee you that the Hornets will have one of the three worst record in the east this year. We can even make a username bet if you’d like. I think we live in such an instant gratification society that people no longer have the patience to see a true rebuild from the ground up, which is what the hornets are in desperate need of.

Teams don’t win on potential but rather actual skill. Harold minor was the next MJ for a while . I raise you Kemba Walker to all those guys you named. You should just stop.

Speaking of rebuild, ask the Knicks fans how great their rebuild has been going for the past few years. Since 2014 they’ve perpetually sucked.

Obviously Kemba is the best player amongst the group, I thought that was a given. I thought we were talking about young players on their respective rosters. I read the Knicks board and they are so excited about Mitchell Robinson, potentially the best young rim protector in the league plus Knox, plus number three, plus DSJ, plus the potential to sign some free agents or take the youth that they’ve acquired and trade it for AD. It sounds to me like you were content being mediocre As long as that mediocrity bears an 8th seed playoff spot and being swept in the first round. I want more and I have the patience for it. And you are correct, teams win on skill. And the Charlotte hornets have less skill and talent than virtually every other team in the NBA.

There is a huge disconnect in your arguments, counterarguments, and original thesis. I never said anything about young players on a roster. I said our team was in a position to easily get back in the playoffs and based on rankings is better than 11 other teams in the league. You tried to turn this into an argument based on potential. You then agree with my skill statement and say we are the worst in skill. Yet your justification for skill is to name guys from other teams with potential who haven’t shown the consistency required. The way you structured that just doesn’t make sense.

Obviously, that’s not shown in our record, so the NBA must be rigging our games according to your statements? Or did we just mysteriously win games last year?

And yes, if we started to make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed with the potential to knock off a first round team I’d be very excited about our teams future. That’s a trend in a positive direction!

Last thing is I think it’s sad you brought up Knox. That guy was benched last year and played like crap. Miles Bridges is much better.

[gundysmullet]

Teams don’t win on potential but rather actual skill. Harold minor was the next MJ for a while . I raise you Kemba Walker to all those guys you named. You should just stop.

Speaking of rebuild, ask the Knicks fans how great their rebuild has been going for the past few years. Since 2014 they’ve perpetually sucked.

Obviously Kemba is the best player amongst the group, I thought that was a given. I thought we were talking about young players on their respective rosters. I read the Knicks board and they are so excited about Mitchell Robinson, potentially the best young rim protector in the league plus Knox, plus number three, plus DSJ, plus the potential to sign some free agents or take the youth that they’ve acquired and trade it for AD. It sounds to me like you were content being mediocre As long as that mediocrity bears an 8th seed playoff spot and being swept in the first round. I want more and I have the patience for it. And you are correct, teams win on skill. And the Charlotte hornets have less skill and talent than virtually every other team in the NBA.

There is a huge disconnect in your arguments, counterarguments, and original thesis. I never said anything about young players on a roster. I said our team was in a position to easily get back in the playoffs and based on rankings is better than 11 other teams in the league. You tried to turn this into an argument based on potential. You then agree with my skill statement and say we are the worst in skill. Yet your justification for skill is to name guys from other teams with potential who haven’t shown the consistency required. The way you structured that just doesn’t make sense.

Obviously, that’s not shown in our record, so the NBA must be rigging our games according to your statements? Or did we just mysteriously win games last year?

And yes, if we started to make the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed with the potential to knock off a first round team I’d be very excited about our teams future. That’s a trend in a positive direction!

Last thing is I think it’s sad you brought up Knox. That guy was benched last year and played like crap. Miles Bridges is much better.

What does “based on rankings” mean? Ranked where and by whom? The fact that you would be happy with an eighth seed just tells me that you are content being irrelevant and mediocre. Go over to the Pistons board and see how they enjoyed being an eight seed year in and year out. And OK fine I will give you bridges over Knox, but I would take Robinson over bridges any day of the year and the Knicks have the number three pick in the draft. I just don’t understand how you think that the hornets have a talented roster. Honestly I feel like that’s just a completely delusional viewpoint. Other than Kemba there is not one player on the team that is even remotely star quality And if he leaves? Forget about it, this team will be utterly atrocious and be lucky to win 25 games. We will just have to agree to disagree completely about the talent level of the current roster.

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rb likes hayes... so if we pass on him and he turns out to be good, expect to never hear the end of it from rb. just like booker and mitchell and sga.

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