Wizards 2019 Draft Thread - Part II

[TGW]

Probably won't be there at 9

Or the trade value of #9 went up. But yeah I think White slips.

I do like the idea of Beal as mentor and coach on the floor for a young team of hardworking talent. Whomever we get I want it to be a guy who loves to play and gives max effort. If we are going to struggle at least I want to see the desire and fight.

There are rumors from local chicago reporters that the Bulls made a promise to White.

[closg00]

Kyler of BBall Insiders suggests Garland to the Suns as a promise he heard about. I'm guessing as of now the draft will go like this:

1. Pelicans: Zion
2. Grizzlies: Ja
3. Knicks: Barrett
4. Lakers: ?
5. Cavs: ?
6. Suns: Garland
7. Bulls: White

Culver and Hunter are missing, but they're probably going 4 and 5 at that point, which leaves Cam Reddish at 8 to the Hawks possibly, and maybe Sekou is there. The Hawks scare me the most b/c their pick is sandwiched in between ours. They could shoot for the upside pick in Sekou at 8, knowing we'll go with Reddish at 9, and then they can pick the guy they probably wanted at 8 anyway.

+1 I can totally see ATL nabbing Sekou right before us if they can't get Hunter, ATL could come away with any two of Hunter|Goga Sekou|Bol

[remi_222]

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[nate33]

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Wow. That's a really good shooting form.

[remi_222]

I think the battle for Sekou will be between Atlanta (8th if they take Reddish, they'll take Sekou at 10th) or Washington.
The question is : Wash prefers Reddish or Sekou ? who has the better profile ? i havent watched the wizards lately so i really dont know !!

[Shoe]

Sekou might turn out to be a terrific player; he really might. & if we are stuck at #9, in the sense that we don't find an attractive trade down, I'll be happy if we pick him, assuming he's available.

OTOH, this tale of the tape stuff is just silly. How many guys in the league do you think have similar measurements to Siakam & Doumbouya? How many guys who *aren't* in the league, for that matter? How about 6'9", 236, 9'1" standing reach? Better yet, right? That's Trey Lyles at the Combine. Or would you rather have a 9'2" reach? Like Chris McCullough....

Sekou is more agile than those guys, but yeah I don't think the height/weight is what's important. The big thing is he showed some dedication hitting the weight room to go from 210 to 230 in a year. Same thing with Samanic, it's a good sign they aren't adverse to working on their bodies.

When Otto Porter came into the league at 200 lbs people imagined what he'd look like when he got into an NBA weight lifting regiment and put on some muscle. I just looked it up and he's currently listed at 198 lbs. On the other hand Giannis was 205 when he was drafted, and is now listed at 242 lbs (his 21 year old brother is listed at 200 lbs so it's effort not genetic).

I'm not saying muscle = good player, or that putting on muscle will make a player better, but GM's probably see it as at least some evidence a player has work ethic.

[nate33]

Here's the part about Kyle Guy in the link that closg00 posted earlier.

https://youtu.be/rlhrIpf5yug?t=389

I really think he's worth a look, either as a walk-on or by buying a late 2nd rounder from someone. He is small, but he is extremely athletic.

[nate33]

Sekou might turn out to be a terrific player; he really might. & if we are stuck at #9, in the sense that we don't find an attractive trade down, I'll be happy if we pick him, assuming he's available.

OTOH, this tale of the tape stuff is just silly. How many guys in the league do you think have similar measurements to Siakam & Doumbouya? How many guys who *aren't* in the league, for that matter? How about 6'9", 236, 9'1" standing reach? Better yet, right? That's Trey Lyles at the Combine. Or would you rather have a 9'2" reach? Like Chris McCullough....

Sekou is more agile than those guys, but yeah I don't think the height/weight is what's important. The big thing is he showed some dedication hitting the weight room to go from 210 to 230 in a year. Same thing with Samanic, it's a good sign they aren't adverse to working on their bodies.

When Otto Porter came into the league at 200 lbs people imagined what he'd look like when he got into an NBA weight lifting regiment and put on some muscle. I just looked it up and he's currently listed at 198 lbs. On the other hand Giannis was 205 when he was drafted, and is now listed at 242 lbs (his 21 year old brother is listed at 200 lbs so it's effort not genetic).

I'm not saying muscle = good player, or that putting on muscle will make a player better, but GM's probably see it as at least some evidence a player has work ethic.

Also, if he is only 18, he probably hasn't finished growing yet. I'm not saying he'll add 3 more inches like Giannis did, but there's a fair chance he'll add another inch in height and wingspan. That could get him to 6'-10" with a 9'-1" standing reach.

[pcbothwel]

Sekou might turn out to be a terrific player; he really might. & if we are stuck at #9, in the sense that we don't find an attractive trade down, I'll be happy if we pick him, assuming he's available.

OTOH, this tale of the tape stuff is just silly. How many guys in the league do you think have similar measurements to Siakam & Doumbouya? How many guys who *aren't* in the league, for that matter? How about 6'9", 236, 9'1" standing reach? Better yet, right? That's Trey Lyles at the Combine. Or would you rather have a 9'2" reach? Like Chris McCullough....

Sekou is more agile than those guys, but yeah I don't think the height/weight is what's important. The big thing is he showed some dedication hitting the weight room to go from 210 to 230 in a year. Same thing with Samanic, it's a good sign they aren't adverse to working on their bodies.

When Otto Porter came into the league at 200 lbs people imagined what he'd look like when he got into an NBA weight lifting regiment and put on some muscle. I just looked it up and he's currently listed at 198 lbs. On the other hand Giannis was 205 when he was drafted, and is now listed at 242 lbs (his 21 year old brother is listed at 200 lbs so it's effort not genetic).

I'm not saying muscle = good player, or that putting on muscle will make a player better, but GM's probably see it as at least some evidence a player has work ethic.

Agree with both. PIF, you know that tweet/fact is just to draw eyes and not make any REAL argument.
That said, Sekou has tantalizing skill set and just as important to me is the level of competition and coaching he's had at such a young age.
Moving without the ball, pushing to pace, switching defenders, work ethic... he's really ahead of most kids his age and probably closer to a Junior in college.
Given the strengths and weaknesses of this draft, I dont hesitate to take him.

[DCZards]

I do like the idea of Beal as mentor and coach on the floor for a young team of hardworking talent. Whomever we get I want it to be a guy who loves to play and gives max effort. If we are going to struggle at least I want to see the desire and fight.

Nassir Little, perhaps?

If the Zards stay at #9 (and assuming Garland and Hunter are gone), I’d like to see them draft Doubmbouya. But if Sekou is gone, Little is at or near the top of my short list…along with Clarke and PJ Washington.

Concerns about Little’s bball IQ and undeveloped offensive game are legit…but his athleticism, effort, defensive prowess and length (7-1 wingspan) are the real deal. Little averaged 4.6 rebounds in very limited minutes at UNC, which some folks on this board say is one indicator of success at the next level.

[nate33]

I do like the idea of Beal as mentor and coach on the floor for a young team of hardworking talent. Whomever we get I want it to be a guy who loves to play and gives max effort. If we are going to struggle at least I want to see the desire and fight.

Nassir Little, perhaps?

If the Zards stay at #9 (and assuming Garland and Hunter are gone), I’d like to see them draft Doubmbouya. But if Sekou is gone, Little is at or near the top of my short list…along with Clarke and PJ Washington.

Concerns about Little’s bball IQ and undeveloped offensive game are legit…but his athleticism, effort, defensive prowess and length (7-1 wingspan) are the real deal. Little averaged 4.6 rebounds in very limited minutes at UNC, which some folks on this board say is one indicator of success at the next level.

His rebounding is indeed solid, and his FT shooting isn't bad for a freshman, but that's about all he has going for him. He's not even THAT great of athlete. He had one of the slowest lane agility scores in the draft class, and his sprint and vertical leap are only modestly above average for this draft class.

[closg00]

What are the chances that this draft may be an underrated draft like 2011? Wishful thinking on my part that we'll hit on a real surprise.

[DCZards]

I do like the idea of Beal as mentor and coach on the floor for a young team of hardworking talent. Whomever we get I want it to be a guy who loves to play and gives max effort. If we are going to struggle at least I want to see the desire and fight.

Nassir Little, perhaps?

If the Zards stay at #9 (and assuming Garland and Hunter are gone), I’d like to see them draft Doubmbouya. But if Sekou is gone, Little is at or near the top of my short list…along with Clarke and PJ Washington.

Concerns about Little’s bball IQ and undeveloped offensive game are legit…but his athleticism, effort, defensive prowess and length (7-1 wingspan) are the real deal. Little averaged 4.6 rebounds in very limited minutes at UNC, which some folks on this board say is one indicator of success at the next level.

His rebounding is indeed solid, and his FT shooting isn't bad for a freshman, but that's about all he has going for him. He's not even THAT great of athlete. He had one of the slowest lane agility scores in the draft class, and his sprint and vertical leap are only modestly above average for this draft class.

Don't discount the importance and value of effort, energy and playing hard. Those "skills" are often more important than numbers at a combine.

[payitforward]

What are the chances that this draft may be an underrated draft like 2011? Wishful thinking on my part that we'll hit on a real surprise.

That's how it looks to me, for sure! It seems pretty common for drafts to be under-rated or over-rated. People certainly thought 2012 was an exceptionally strong draft.

Then you look back & see M K-G, Dion Waiters, Thomas Robinson, Harrison Barnes, Terrence Ross, Austin Rivers & Meyers Leonard were 7 of the top 11.

Followed by Kendall Marshall, Moe Harkless, Royce White, & Terrence Jones as 4 of the next 7.

[Dat2U]

Nassir Little, perhaps?

If the Zards stay at #9 (and assuming Garland and Hunter are gone), I’d like to see them draft Doubmbouya. But if Sekou is gone, Little is at or near the top of my short list…along with Clarke and PJ Washington.

Concerns about Little’s bball IQ and undeveloped offensive game are legit…but his athleticism, effort, defensive prowess and length (7-1 wingspan) are the real deal. Little averaged 4.6 rebounds in very limited minutes at UNC, which some folks on this board say is one indicator of success at the next level.

His rebounding is indeed solid, and his FT shooting isn't bad for a freshman, but that's about all he has going for him. He's not even THAT great of athlete. He had one of the slowest lane agility scores in the draft class, and his sprint and vertical leap are only modestly above average for this draft class.

Don't discount the importance and value of effort, energy and playing hard. Those "skills" are often more important than numbers at a combine.

And IQ and skill matter more and there's where his real issues exist. He's a 6-6 PF. How far is his effort and energy going to take us when he struggles to pick up plays or make open shots?

[mhd]

I think Atlanta will take Sekou at 8. They have 3 firsts (will likely use one of them on a big), so they can take Sekou and gamble on him.

1) NO-Zion
2) Mem-Ja
3) NY-Barrett
4) LAL-Garland
5) Cle-Culver
6) Suns-White
7) Chi-Hunter
8) Atl-Sekou
9) Wiz-(I'd take Goga, but would trade down if I could)

[Dat2U]

Sekou is still about my 5th or 6th choice at 9. I think he'll be rotation worthy player but I don't see Siakam.

If Bol plays 60 games a season he'll be a more impactful player.

I still like Goga as the safe choice in a trade down. Bol is riskier with a higher ceiling.

Herro doesn't get a lot of talk but he's a sleeper. The best shooter in the draft. He's the safest perimeter player available. He's not just a spot up shooter either. He can shoot off the dribble or on the move. Has some playmaking skills as well. Can run a P&R.

Clarke is still the hardest guy for me to peg but his defense and rebounding will translate.

I could live with P.J. Washington. He's the safest guy at a position of need. Old school with 3 pt range and a high motor. Should be a bigger & better version of P-Pat earlier in his career.

Anyone else is kinda disappointing.

Jaxson Hayes is completely redundant and unnecessary with Bryant. Low skilled rim runners can be found on the cheap.

Cam Reddish is my biggest worry. Nassir Little's lack of feel is 2nd. Romeo Langford's broken shot and decision making is 3rd. Rui Hachimura is Mike Scott without the edge or tattoos and if Kevin Porter Jr has a career as distinguished as Nick Young, he'll be lucky.

[DCZards]

His rebounding is indeed solid, and his FT shooting isn't bad for a freshman, but that's about all he has going for him. He's not even THAT great of athlete. He had one of the slowest lane agility scores in the draft class, and his sprint and vertical leap are only modestly above average for this draft class.

Don't discount the importance and value of effort, energy and playing hard. Those "skills" are often more important than numbers at a combine.

And IQ and skill matter more and there's where his real issues exist. He's a 6-6 PF. How far is his effort and energy going to take us when he struggles to pick up plays or make open shots?

Agree that Little’s IQ is a concern. I already said as much. But that doesn’t mean he’s too dumb to learn plays.

I’m even less concerned about Little’s shooting. Kid is 19 years old and it’s not unusual for players to significantly improve their shooting if they put in the time and work.

Yeah, Little is raw and flawed...but so is every other player that the Zards will be considering when they draft. I happen to like Nassir's upside, especially as a versatile defender.

I do agree with you, though, that Washington, who I like alot, is probably the safest bet.

[nate33]

Sekou is still about my 5th or 6th choice at 9. I think he'll be rotation worthy player but I don't see Siakam.

If Bol plays 60 games a season he'll be a more impactful player.

I still like Goga as the safe choice in a trade down. Bol is riskier with a higher ceiling.

Herro doesn't get a lot of talk but he's a sleeper. The best shooter in the draft. He's the safest perimeter player available. He's not just a spot up shooter either. He can shoot off the dribble or on the move. Has some playmaking skills as well. Can run a P&R.

Clarke is still the hardest guy for me to peg but his defense and rebounding will translate.

I could live with P.J. Washington. He's the safest guy at a position of need. Old school with 3 pt range and a high motor. Should be a bigger & better version of P-Pat earlier in his career.

Anyone else is kinda disappointing.

Jaxson Hayes is completely redundant and unnecessary with Bryant. Low skilled rim runners can be found on the cheap.

Cam Reddish is my biggest worry. Nassir Little's lack of feel is 2nd. Romeo Langford's broken shot and decision making is 3rd. Rui Hachimura is Mike Scott without the edge or tattoos and if Kevin Porter Jr has a career as distinguished as Nick Young, he'll be lucky.

I agree with much of this, but I apparently have a higher opinion of Doumbouya than you. I can see Goga as a safer pick ahead of him, but I'd probably take Doumbouya over Washington, or at least I'd have them in the same tier. I don't like that Washington is a underwhelming defender and rebounder.

I'm also a strong no on Bol Bol. I'm convinced he won't be able to stay healthy in the NBA.

[mhd]

Sekou is still about my 5th or 6th choice at 9. I think he'll be rotation worthy player but I don't see Siakam.

If Bol plays 60 games a season he'll be a more impactful player.

I still like Goga as the safe choice in a trade down. Bol is riskier with a higher ceiling.

Herro doesn't get a lot of talk but he's a sleeper. The best shooter in the draft. He's the safest perimeter player available. He's not just a spot up shooter either. He can shoot off the dribble or on the move. Has some playmaking skills as well. Can run a P&R.

Clarke is still the hardest guy for me to peg but his defense and rebounding will translate.

I could live with P.J. Washington. He's the safest guy at a position of need. Old school with 3 pt range and a high motor. Should be a bigger & better version of P-Pat earlier in his career.

Anyone else is kinda disappointing.

Jaxson Hayes is completely redundant and unnecessary with Bryant. Low skilled rim runners can be found on the cheap.

Cam Reddish is my biggest worry. Nassir Little's lack of feel is 2nd. Romeo Langford's broken shot and decision making is 3rd. Rui Hachimura is Mike Scott without the edge or tattoos and if Kevin Porter Jr has a career as distinguished as Nick Young, he'll be lucky.

I'm with you on Herro. I'd honestly be ok with them taking him at 9.