2019 NBA draft part deux

[Neeva]

Am I the only one that hopes they DO NOT move up.
i am not a fan of Coby White, or Culver at all. i would prefer they trade down than up.

[packforfreedom]

SI has us picking Hachimura

Rival teams have come to believe that Hachimura recently secured a promise in the late lottery, with suspicion centering on the Timberwolves. Hachimura skipped the combine, but did participate in his agency’s pro day at the end of May, dispelling the notion of a hard commitment at that point. In recent days, league-wide speculation has ramped up with regard to Minnesota. Hachimura is thought to be in play for Washington at No. 9, but this spot may well be his floor. He fills a positional need for the Timberwolves, possesses strong physical tools and has significantly more room to grow as a scorer.

[Domejandro]

Rui did not receive a promise from Minnesota, that rumour is literally untrue.

[shangrila]

Rui did not receive a promise from Minnesota, that rumour is literally untrue.

That's true but most of the reasons why the rumour started in the first place (fit, need, etc) still exist so it's no surprise there's still some that have us taking him.

Besides which, NOT giving him a promise doesn't mean we don't take him at all.

[Merc_Porto]

Rui, NAW and Sekou are my favorites.
Especially Sekou, but hes probably gone at 11.

I wonder if we could grab another mid FRP via trade to get both (Rui and NAW)

[wolfen]

PJ doesn’t play the 3 a lot and Grant is a much more versatile offensive player. He’s a great team defender that relies on his extremely high iq. Depending on the matchup I think he can play some 3

I agree with this. He's a 4/3 with some unique traits and skills. Of course, I have some concerns about his tweener size (height), but he's so strong in the base, he won't get pushed around by either 3's or 4's. And yes, some are concerned about his footspeed, lateral quickness, ability to stay with quicker players, switch, etc. Not that the combine is the be-all end-all, but his lane agility time was really good - 10.83. To put that in perspective, he was quicker than many SF's, SG's, and PG's. Leque, PG , 11.09. KZ Okpala, SF, 10.88. Quicker than Shayock, Charles Matthews (thought to be an elite defender, poor guy just tore his ACL in a workout), Nassir Little, Louis King. He was 2nd among PF's in that category, topped all C's, quicker than 3/4 of the SF's. He's got elite court vision on the offensive end and elite defensive awareness as well. Can he shoot the 3? He thinks he can...

I'm just calling it as I see it, and I don't see Williams as a SF. The thing about Tucker is, he can easily slide out to defend the small-ball PFs who are really SFs (James, Antetokounmpo, Durant, Leonard, etc.) if those teams put out a bigger lineup. I don't see any way Williams can regularly defend guys like that. I have my doubts about Washington too. Saying those guys can play SF is like saying Derrick Williams or even Michael Beasley can play SF. Much more confident in Brandon Clarke being competent at SF than Williams or Washington.

Fair enough Klompster. I agree that in college he wasn't asked to play SF at all, he had too big of an advantage at the 4 and just abused guys with his strength, finishing, and excellent touch. You could be right, he may not play any SF at the next level, but who knows. As far as need goes, we need a PF more than a SF, so there's that. Not saying he's going to be as good as Draymond, but if Draymond can start at the 4 at his size, that gives hope for GW. He'll be a fun one to watch no matter who drafts him to see if he can overcome the question marks - staying with quicker players, able to play on the perimeter, hit some 3's, not just be a low post / mid post guy. One more positive I'll add is that he is a brick wall screener. People might think that setting screens, big deal, but this dude is willing and wide, and we don't have a head hunter screen man on the squad. Towns and Saric are average at best, their focus when setting screens is to "get in the way" or just rub the guy, pivot, and pop, hoping for the toss back pass for a 3. GW will set down and root like a tree and make sure he gets a body on a guy, which really makes a huge difference. We don't know if he'll be able to hit the pick and pop 3, and he's not going to be a lob dunk guy all that often on the roll. But he has 2 very unique tools when he gets the ball in his hands after setting the pick when he gets the ball in the 15-20 foot range - he is a ridiculously good passer from that area, and he is great at the quick 1-2 dribble mid post move and scoring in the lane. If we did draft him (trade down would be best, as many are saying), I'd use him a ton in that area. Primary pick guy all over the floor, especially out on the perimeter. That should space out the floor and give KAT room to get the ball in the post as well, since GW would be out of the low post area, less congestion. P/R is such a huge part of the NBA game, and having guards/wings to run the pick and roll is only half of the equation. You've got to have a great and willing screener who can set a good screen and then continue the offensive action if/when the screener does get the ball. It would be nice for a change to have a guy on the squad who:

-Is a physical presence
-Has super high BB IQ
-Is super driven to get better and expand his game
-Plays super hard
-Has great awareness on both ends
-Puts team play first at all times
-Has some junkyard dawg in him

We've never really had a guy like that on the wolves, it would be interesting to see what kind of effect a player like that would have on the squad. Man I hope trading down is under serious consideration so we can somehow get a couple picks in the 15-25 range while still having a pick in round 2.

GW / NAW / Bowman
or
GW / Cam Johnson / Bowman

etc. etc.

[minimus]

https://youtu.be/X3Dtsa5_F8c

Full video

[Slim Tubby]

Was this one of those roundtable mocks where 5-6 talking heads each had a team, or was this a legit mock draft?

Roundtable mock.

Well then you can throw the results out the window. Those things are borderline useless.

Outside of the Keldon Johnson reach, I thought the results were pretty realistic (and I hate ESPN and their East Coast bias). Barring trades (and I expect some), it's starting to shape up like we'll end up with Doumbouya, Clarke, Little or NAW. I'd grab the youngest player in the draft in Doumbouya and be equally satisfied with Clarke if Sekou is already gone. I'm just not a fan of Little or NAW.

[shangrila]

Am I the only one that hopes they DO NOT move up.
i am not a fan of Coby White, or Culver at all. i would prefer they trade down than up.

Kind of, though for different reasons. I don't think Teague is enough to move up from 11 to 6 meaning, were we to move up, it'd cost more (Covington, Okogie, future 1sts, etc). I'm not sure if anyone in this draft is worth it.

Culver I agree on, I see a little more Evan Turner than I'd like to in him. White I like though and if all it costs is Teague I'd be all for it, although I'd be trusting our scouting department that his potential issues aren't a big deal (how his wingspan will affect his game, mostly).

Though just for giggles I'd probably look to move down if we got the 6th pick, like maybe with Atlanta for the 8 or 10 and 17, then snipe whoever Phoenix wanted at 11 and send them a giftcard with a photo of my ass.

[shangrila]

Roundtable mock.

Well then you can throw the results out the window. Those things are borderline useless.

Outside of the Keldon Johnson reach, I thought the results were pretty realistic (and I hate ESPN and their East Coast bias). Barring trades (and I expect some), it's starting to shape up like we'll end up with Doumbouya, Clarke, Little or NAW. I'd grab the youngest player in the draft in Doumbouya and be equally satisfied with Clarke if Sekou is already gone. I'm just not a fan of Little or NAW.

Eh, there's more than a few issues there. Assuming there were no trades I can't see Cleveland taking Garland for example. And that Johnson reach was a big turnoff for me. I imagine they were planning for Reddish and when he wasn't there they "panicked" and went for the next 3&D guy.

But it was just a fun little thing they did, no reason to put any stock in it in terms of accurately predicting what a team is going to do.

[DaKid]

Am I the only one that hopes they DO NOT move up.
i am not a fan of Coby White, or Culver at all. i would prefer they trade down than up.

Kind of, though for different reasons. I don't think Teague is enough to move up from 11 to 6 meaning, were we to move up, it'd cost more (Covington, Okogie, future 1sts, etc). I'm not sure if anyone in this draft is worth it.

Culver I agree on, I see a little more Evan Turner than I'd like to in him. White I like though and if all it costs is Teague I'd be all for it, although I'd be trusting our scouting department that his potential issues aren't a big deal (how his wingspan will affect his game, mostly).

Though just for giggles I'd probably look to move down if we got the 6th pick, like maybe with Atlanta for the 8 or 10 and 17, then snipe whoever Phoenix wanted at 11 and send them a giftcard with a photo of my ass.

I think the swap of teague and Tyler Johnson is enough for phx to move 6 for 11. Both expire next year with similar deals but, as much as I can't stand the way teague plays, he is still a way better player than Johnson. If the guy they want will be there at 11 anyway they would be stupid not to make that deal. In which case, I would love to have Coby White here even if it means having Johnson in a wolves Jersey for a year.

[remi_222]

Watch on YouTube

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RJ Hampton and Sekou's workout

[Klomp]

If you want someone to pop in a draft workout like a Towns or LaVine did, this kid is up there in terms of guys from this class who could be there at our range.

Watch on YouTube

[theGreatRC]

Fine with any 4 of:

Rui
Doumbouya
Bol Bol
Clarke

Hope we don't try to trade up while giving an asset, it's not worth it in this draft.

[Klomp]

More mobile than I expected, and good touch on the jumper

Watch on YouTube

[wesleyt95]

I’m higher on Bol than Rui or Clarke

[packforfreedom]

huh? what happened to Bol Bol? I remember videos where he moved like half as fast and could barely hit a catch and shoot midrange jumper. I'd still be cautious about players that big injuriewise and wouldn't want to take this risk with our first pick.

[Domejandro]

Bol Bol is going to fall really hard in the Draft; highest I see him going is to Atlanta at seventeen, but it could be a free-fall.

If you want someone to pop in a draft workout like a Towns or LaVine did, this kid is up there in terms of guys from this class who could be there at our range.

Watch on YouTube

Literally only twelve seconds in, but that has to be the most lackadaisical "pick-and-pop" ever, that was embarrassing to watch.

[KGdaBom]

Bol Bol is going to fall really hard in the Draft; highest I see him going is to Atlanta at seventeen, but it could be a free-fall.

If you want someone to pop in a draft workout like a Towns or LaVine did, this kid is up there in terms of guys from this class who could be there at our range.

Watch on YouTube

Literally only twelve seconds in, but that has to be the most lackadaisical "pick-and-pop" ever, that was embarrassing to watch.

I wouldn't have him free falling based on what I saw in this video clip. He was smooth.

[GeekFreak]

I think the failure of Thon Maker is going to hurt Bol's draft stock. There has yet to be a string bean African player to break through. Giannis always had a pretty decent frame with big wide shoulders and some signs of muscle.