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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#401 » by Mattya » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:18 am

GeekFreak wrote:I think the failure of Thon Maker is going to hurt Bol's draft stock. There has yet to be a string bean African player to break through. Giannis always had a pretty decent frame with big wide shoulders and some signs of muscle.


I don't see this as a good comparison. Thon had a ton of age question marks coming into the draft, and a lot of draft analysts questioned how much skill he actually had. The biggest question for Bol is can he handle the physicality, is he quick enough on the perimeter, and is his injury just a fluke or is it a chronic thing.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#402 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:31 am

GeekFreak wrote:I think the failure of Thon Maker is going to hurt Bol's draft stock. There has yet to be a string bean African player to break through. Giannis always had a pretty decent frame with big wide shoulders and some signs of muscle.

While his upper body is looking better, he's very lean in his lower body, showing very skinny legs that affect him on both ends of the court at the moment. He gets pushed around quite a bit and loses his balance fairly easily, spending a decent amount of time sprawled out on the floor.

That was the pre-draft scouting report for Rudy Gobert. Not African, but still viewed very similarly. Yes, I know Gobert still had more strength than Bol has now, but strength can be added.

... still looks a long ways away from reaching his full potential here, starting with his body, which remains very frail and could make him susceptible to injuries if not developed carefully. He also lacks something in the ways of toughness and awareness, as he tends to avoid contact in the paint and regularly gets pushed around on the interior, not always offering up as much resistance as you might hope.

That was the pre-draft scouting report for Kristaps Porzingis, who has a pretty similar playing style.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#403 » by Neeva » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:51 am

At 16/17 i’d take bol anytime over someone like patton smh
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#404 » by SmokeyPaw » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:36 am

Truly in depth article on Brandon Clarke by Cole Zwicker at thestepien. Includes both the pretty and the ugly bits. Summary is that to the right team ( he is context dependent) he has the potential to be the second best player in the class.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/13/uniqueness-brandon-clarke/
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Post#405 » by GeekFreak » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:38 am

Neeva wrote:At 16/17 i’d take bol anytime over someone like patton smh

I actually see a lot of similarity between Patton and Bol. Both tall gangly guys that lack strength with a diverse skill set and foot problems.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#406 » by TheDominator273 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:49 am

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Neeva wrote:At 16/17 i’d take bol anytime over someone like patton smh

I actually see a lot of similarity between Patton and Bol. Both tall gangly guys that lack strength with a diverse skill set and foot problems.
Patton is not gangly, are at least no where near Bol who weighed in a hair over 200 pounds where as Patton is listed at 240 now and was 230 at the Draft Combine.

Patton's issue is some bad luck foot problems whereas Bol's slight frame and injury history pose serious concerns.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#407 » by Loyal[]Wolf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:08 am

Just trade the ball-movement stopper Teague via a sign-and-trade with the Nets for DeAngelo.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#408 » by shangrila » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:58 am

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GeekFreak wrote:I think the failure of Thon Maker is going to hurt Bol's draft stock. There has yet to be a string bean African player to break through. Giannis always had a pretty decent frame with big wide shoulders and some signs of muscle.

While his upper body is looking better, he's very lean in his lower body, showing very skinny legs that affect him on both ends of the court at the moment. He gets pushed around quite a bit and loses his balance fairly easily, spending a decent amount of time sprawled out on the floor.

That was the pre-draft scouting report for Rudy Gobert. Not African, but still viewed very similarly. Yes, I know Gobert still had more strength than Bol has now, but strength can be added.

Of course it can but you're seriously understating the difference between them as prospects. Gobert weighed in at 237 with 4.4% body fat. Bol was 208 with a 7.1% body fat. Given he already has an injury issue with his foot there's serious, and justified, questions about whether he'll be able to put on weight and what that might do to his health. You don't want to go down the Greg Oden route after all.

... still looks a long ways away from reaching his full potential here, starting with his body, which remains very frail and could make him susceptible to injuries if not developed carefully. He also lacks something in the ways of toughness and awareness, as he tends to avoid contact in the paint and regularly gets pushed around on the interior, not always offering up as much resistance as you might hope.

That was the pre-draft scouting report for Kristaps Porzingis, who has a pretty similar playing style.

If you're trying to argue that Bol can succeed in the NBA I'm not sure if Porzingis is where I'd go. KP has had injury issues almost his entire career (has yet to play an entire 82 game season, for example) which has culminated in missing over a season to his current injury. Given Bol already has those questions I'd be even more hesitant with him. I mean, it's all good if he can produce on the court but if he can't even get out there it's all kind of a moot point no?
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#409 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:06 am

shangrila wrote:If you're trying to argue that Bol can succeed in the NBA I'm not sure if Porzingis is where I'd go. KP has had injury issues almost his entire career (has yet to play an entire 82 game season, for example) which has culminated in missing over a season to his current injury. Given Bol already has those questions I'd be even more hesitant with him. I mean, it's all good if he can produce on the court but if he can't even get out there it's all kind of a moot point no?

You don't think Porzingis has succeeded in the NBA?
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#410 » by shangrila » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:20 am

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shangrila wrote:If you're trying to argue that Bol can succeed in the NBA I'm not sure if Porzingis is where I'd go. KP has had injury issues almost his entire career (has yet to play an entire 82 game season, for example) which has culminated in missing over a season to his current injury. Given Bol already has those questions I'd be even more hesitant with him. I mean, it's all good if he can produce on the court but if he can't even get out there it's all kind of a moot point no?

You don't think Porzingis has succeeded in the NBA?

Did you seriously ignore my entire post just to nitpick that one sentence?

But fine, to answer your strawman, and repeat the point I made above, whether he's successful is irrelevant if he can't stay on the court. Given Bol already has injury issues, trying to win people over by pointing to KP who has a similar body (though he, like Gobert, weighed in at over 230) and has suffered through injuries his entire career won't get you very far.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#411 » by minimus » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:03 am

Bitadze will have better NBA career than Bol.
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Post#412 » by SaintS » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:53 am

Goga already played 5 years as a pro. For sure he has a huge advantage against Bol. He played against really strong Euro teams as Real with Ayon and Tavares on C position or Panatinaikos and etc.
I saw his higlights in national team and in Euroleague. He had a limited role in his teams but he already showes on a good level: PnR finishes,Paint protection and rebounding/ He can move the ball and shoot from different postitions, but need to develope and learn how to do it qiucker then now.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#413 » by Domejandro » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:44 am

Klomp wrote:
GeekFreak wrote:I think the failure of Thon Maker is going to hurt Bol's draft stock. There has yet to be a string bean African player to break through. Giannis always had a pretty decent frame with big wide shoulders and some signs of muscle.

While his upper body is looking better, he's very lean in his lower body, showing very skinny legs that affect him on both ends of the court at the moment. He gets pushed around quite a bit and loses his balance fairly easily, spending a decent amount of time sprawled out on the floor.

That was the pre-draft scouting report for Rudy Gobert. Not African, but still viewed very similarly. Yes, I know Gobert still had more strength than Bol has now, but strength can be added.

... still looks a long ways away from reaching his full potential here, starting with his body, which remains very frail and could make him susceptible to injuries if not developed carefully. He also lacks something in the ways of toughness and awareness, as he tends to avoid contact in the paint and regularly gets pushed around on the interior, not always offering up as much resistance as you might hope.

That was the pre-draft scouting report for Kristaps Porzingis, who has a pretty similar playing style.

I was the lead advocate of drafting Kristaps Porzingis in 2015, I can confidently say that Bol Bol is not nearly as strong or motivated.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#414 » by KGdaBom » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:35 am

SmokeyPaw wrote:Truly in depth article on Brandon Clarke by Cole Zwicker at thestepien. Includes both the pretty and the ugly bits. Summary is that to the right team ( he is context dependent) he has the potential to be the second best player in the class.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/13/uniqueness-brandon-clarke/

That is a very intensive evaluation and very favorable to Clarke. I'm a fan of being an actual good ball player over measurables so I like Clarke very much. He also has tremendous measurables in athleticism. His measurables in length and bulk are what his naysayers stand on.
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#415 » by Killboard » Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:38 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
SmokeyPaw wrote:Truly in depth article on Brandon Clarke by Cole Zwicker at thestepien. Includes both the pretty and the ugly bits. Summary is that to the right team ( he is context dependent) he has the potential to be the second best player in the class.

https://www.thestepien.com/2019/06/13/uniqueness-brandon-clarke/

That is a very intensive evaluation and very favorable to Clarke. I'm a fan of being an actual good ball player over measurables so I like Clarke very much. He also has tremendous measurables in athleticism. His measurables in length and bulk are what his naysayers stand on.


Size wise I have my concerns rebounding the ball. He has a SF body, and while the NBA is playing more and more wings at the 4, sometimes even at the 5, would be much more easy to project him as PF if he had 3 or 4 more inches in wingpsan. But I will say that instinct wise he is a sure thing, and the combination of defensive awareness and transition offense is really strong. People is comparing Doumbouya to Siakam, and whike Siakam has better lenght, the most similar player to him in this draft class is Clarke due to his motor and athletic threats IMO.
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Post#416 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:13 pm

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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#417 » by GeekFreak » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:03 pm

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Post#418 » by Dewey » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:03 pm

lots of draft excitement, but IMI we need to be sure we address either/all of elite point shooter, interior defender, ball-handler
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Post#419 » by shrink » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:53 pm

Can I get a quick list of all the first rounders who have come here to work out or interview?
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Re: 2019 NBA draft part deux 

Post#420 » by Klomp » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:07 pm

shrink wrote:Can I get a quick list of all the first rounders who have come here to work out or interview?

Not all-inclusive, but....

Doumbouya, Herro, K. Johnson, C. Johnson, Clarke, White, Washington, Little
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