2019 - 2021 Free-Agents

[mttwlsn16]

AD. Most overrated star in the NBA.

[Ranma]

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[Galloisdaman]

The Lakers and Warriors may have just swapped spots in a week. Crazy time.

Is it KL or bust now for Clippers?

By the way it sounds like Bev may want legit $$$. How much and for how long would you guys offer him?

[MartinToVaught]

This type of news used to be awful for any Clipper fan to hear, but honestly, I'm just shrugging and saying "who cares." The Clippers have a great front office, and I'm glad we're not the ones trading the farm for AD. I've been saying all along that he isn't worth it. We just need to stay patient, keep building and avoid making any reactionary moves.

[Ranma]

Yes, ideally, it would have been better for the Celtics to give up the farm for Anthony Davis because I feel it's important for the Lakers to continue to fail for the Clippers to continue winning hearts and minds in Los Angeles. However, that has always been a secondary concern since winning and building a sustainable contender has always been the primary objective.

Even if the Lakers succeed with LeBron, AD and whomever else, how long will it last with King James 34 now and 36 if and when he exercises his player option for 2021-22? The Lakers window is now by virtue of necessity. The Clippers want to win now but have the flexibility of doing so over a more extended period of time. Who knows? With the dysfunction still behind the scenes, the Lakers could end up turning off AD and having him looking to move to Inglewood with the Clippers, though I wouldn't count on it.

Should we be fortunate enough to sign Kawhi, we'd be a formidable contender ready to go up against the Lakers' new squad or anybody else, for that matter, as is. However, we also have the assets and salary-cap space to supplement such a signing to bolster ourselves even more with patient and calculated moves instead of rushing into doing something reactionary out of panic.

The goal remains the same. We're not going to sit out on the sidelines just because another super team may be in the process of being built across the hall. That same mentality would not have gotten the Raptors over the hump against the so-called juggernaut Warriors.

[Young Sterling]

Which players defend AD well? In other words, which players does he shoot poorly against? Is there a way to see the numbers on that? We need those guys *cough* Boban *cough*

[mkwest]

The good news is that this should mean that Ingram's blood clot issue isn't a concern moving forward. I'm not exactly all that high on some of these guys, but it will be interesting to see them in a different situation. Pelicans have flexibility and 7 years to get it right.

Given that Davis was hellbent on going to the Lakers by any means necessary, it's worth the future risk for them. We couldn't have afforded to make a deal for him. Walker appears to be their next target. Irving would probably fit better agewise. If I'm them, I might would prefer some high quality role players over a 3rd star provided LeBron holds up well. On the other hand, adding a 3rd star can help them transition into the post-LeBron years.

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Probably doesn't matter much barring something catastrophic.

[Young Sterling]

The goals of free agency have changed so much the past week. Warriors are no longer the team to beat next year, as they will be out at least KD and Klay for a while. Suddenly it's the Lakers. Which means, you need to shop in free agency for a Center/PF who is an AD Stopper and defensive wings for Lebron and Kuz. Getting Kawhi would solve a lot of that, but if we whiff on him, this year's opportunity w/o the Dubs being as strong might be wasted.

[Young Sterling]

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Anthony-Davis/Comparison/13305/DeAndre-Jordan/802

Check this tool out. Compare players h2h. You can even check their specific game logs. I ran Zubac, still not a large enough sample size. Deandre... he actually did very well against AD while he was a Clipper and won most of the H2H matchups ironically... and this is DJ we're talking about. You can totally find better centers. Smart moves by the front office can neutralize AD.

[Quake Griffin]

Is Brian Windhorst plugged in at all to the Clippers, the Raptors, or anybody in Kawhi's camp?
Why the **** is he opining so damn much on where he's going?

He just said it's hard for him to know what motivates Kawhi besides winning....
then based his view of Kawhi's motivation to win off of Kawhi's reaction to the game winner against the Sixers and other game action things everybody could have watched on tv.

wtf.

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Probably doesn't matter much barring something catastrophic.

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[Ranma]

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Notice the protection on the 2021 pick. There's a reason why the unprotected Miami pick we have for that year is considered valuable. The crown jewel of that class right now is considered to be Jalen Green but there are others in that class who are projected to be impact players as well. In any case, the Lakers gave up control of their first-round picks in 5 out of the next 7 years with most of those years anticipated to be with LeBron either gone or in significant decline.

[mkwest]

Notice the protection on the 2021 pick. There's a reason why the unprotected Miami pick we have for that year is considered valuable. The crown jewel of that class right now is considered to be Jalen Green but there are others in that class who are projected to be impact players as well. In any case, the Lakers gave up control of their first-round picks in 5 out of the next 7 years.

Apparently, that was a mistake. It goes to NOP if it is in the top 8 (protected 9-30) and will be unprotected the following year.

[Ranma]

Apparently, that was a mistake. It goes to NOP if it is in the top 8 (protected 9-30) and will be unprotected the following year.

That is huge for the Pelicans, especially since LeBron is anticipated to either be gone or in significant decline during most of those 7 years. David Griffin is a Jedi even if he "only" controls 4 first-round picks of the Lakers' next 7.

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[esqtvd]

Surprised the Clippers aren't getting in heavily on the AD talks.

Yeah he may leave after the 2019-20 teams to go for the Lakers but is he really going to go to play with a 35 year old Lebron who will turn 36 in Dec 2020?

If the Lakers are offering Ingram, with an uncertain future, Lonzo, ditto and the #4 pick or whatever vet the #4 pick could fetch, that seems like not much of a package to beat.

I think it's a pretty good package
probably can get Josh Hart thrown in

pretty much got this
there's some mojo with the 2 extra FRPs but the Lakers are counting on them to be meh anyway--in the 20s

as I'm not an AD fan I'm not sad about this
and AD is all the Lakers get out of years of tanking misery


screw that

[esqtvd]

https://basketball.realgm.com/player/Anthony-Davis/Comparison/13305/DeAndre-Jordan/802

Check this tool out. Compare players h2h. You can even check their specific game logs. I ran Zubac, still not a large enough sample size. Deandre... he actually did very well against AD while he was a Clipper and won most of the H2H matchups ironically... and this is DJ we're talking about. You can totally find better centers. Smart moves by the front office can neutralize AD.

thx for putting in the work

I remember never fearing AD and DJ may have been the reason why

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I did and do believe the Sixers screwed up bigtime by not going the extra mile--an extra inch--to get Pat Bev in the Tobias deal. A couple of 2nd rounders and TJ McConnell probably would have got it done.

Despite a world-class starting 5, they were a bullet short vs Toronto all series, and still came within a bounce on the rim of bouncing Toronto in Game 7. I do think Pat would have made the difference. I won't say the Sixers would have got past the Bucks, or that they would have played GSW hard enough, but it's also arguable they might have gone all the way instead of the Raptors.


The Clippers haven't told Pat anything. In good faith, they can't--he might have to go. He knows he's valued--but he also knows that in this superstar league, he's expendable.

Sucks. He's my Mr. Clipper. And Doc's too. And Ballmer's too, I bet. Hardcore. Fortunately, with the FA market and our grand plan collapsing before our eyes, we might just end up with Pat Bev long term. He seems to like it here.


I'm cool with that. Way.

[Galloisdaman]

The Lakers kind of went all in but if they play well the picks will not be so good. Feels like the Melo deal in some ways by giving up young players and picks. AD is a great player so what looks like a great haul for the Pelicans may not turn out to be that great if the Lakers play well. Lakers hope is that with AD and another FA their 2021 and 2024 picks will not be high. They are hoping that AD makes the pick swaps meaningless.
Ball (high pick)
Ingram (high pick)
#4 pick
2 other first (probably not great ones)
2 swap options (could be meaningless)