warren weel im wrote:If only we could run back to the posts regarding this "weak" package LA sent. OH wait.
Very much this.
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warren weel im wrote:If only we could run back to the posts regarding this "weak" package LA sent. OH wait.
Karmaloop wrote:warren weel im wrote:If only we could run back to the posts regarding this "weak" package LA sent. OH wait.
Very much this.
BoogieTime wrote:I believe you thought it wasn’t going to cost much more than #4 and another young piece or two. Must be a surprise to see this
paulbball wrote:Lakers got completely utterly raped. 4 year unprotected pick, and 5 year down the line unprotected swap?
If LeBron stays with the Lakers, he will be 38-39 for those picks.
Literally traded away half of a decade for Anthony Davis. Let's not pretend that LeBron + Davis is a lock for championship. The team has one starter in Kuzma outside of Bron + Davis.
Karmaloop wrote:warren weel im wrote:If only we could run back to the posts regarding this "weak" package LA sent. OH wait.
Very much this.
TGW wrote:Karmaloop wrote:warren weel im wrote:If only we could run back to the posts regarding this "weak" package LA sent. OH wait.
Very much this.
Oh please. No one was proposing Ball + Ingram + Hart + three firsts. NO ONE.
This was a gross overpay.
Super Powered wrote:Damn... I'm numb.
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Mrakar wrote:I just hope Pels flip lonzo somwhere else. If not this will be disapointing return....
Lonzo to the Bulls for 7, 4 and 7 for 2?
Morant/Moore/Jackson
Jrue/Hart
Ingram/Hill
Zion
Okafor
I know I’m missing a bunch of guys but I like that core.
Karmaloop wrote:BoogieTime wrote:I believe you thought it wasn’t going to cost much more than #4 and another young piece or two. Must be a surprise to see this
No. I said I thought their offer (at the time) was Ingram and the 4th overall pick. I didn't think that was going to be the final offer. I didn't think it was going to have so many picks. You start by offering little and go up from there.
Karmaloop wrote:paulbball wrote:Lakers got completely utterly raped. 4 year unprotected pick, and 5 year down the line unprotected swap?
If LeBron stays with the Lakers, he will be 38-39 for those picks.
Literally traded away half of a decade for Anthony Davis. Let's not pretend that LeBron + Davis is a lock for championship. The team has one starter in Kuzma outside of Bron + Davis.
ROFL
We've gone from the Lakers' garbage offer to the Lakers getting absolutely raped. Never change T&T board. Never change. The fact is the Lakers have a trio of LeBron/Kuzma/AD, but more importantly potentially max salary cap space. That's dangerous. There's a reason why the Lakers are the NBA favorites.
VCfor3 wrote:Would Kuzma for Bogdan Bogdanovic+Bjelica work for both teams? Wagner and Isaac can be added on the Lakers side but how far off is that deal? Feels light for SAC but don't know what all else is really available for LAL to add until we see what their pick situation looks like.
SAC gets even more cap space and can go hard in FA while getting a younger piece in Kuzma to fit with their core. They can also take on an expiring contract for assets.
LAL breaks Kuzma into two pieces. They then can throw their remaining cap space at Beverly and use the Room Exception on Justin Holiday or a center or something. Beverly/Bogdan/LBJ/Bjelica/AD with Holiday (or Bogdan if Holiday starts) off the bench isn't terrible if they can't get a max FA.
TGW wrote:Oh please. No one was proposing Ball + Ingram + Hart + three firsts. NO ONE.
This was a gross overpay.
Prospect Dong wrote:Maybe you have some quotes where you suggested you would be happy paying something like this price for Davis?
VCfor3 wrote:Yes we went from 4+Ingram+Ball as a weak package to saying you guys got killed due to including most of your youth as well as involving most of your 1sts moving forward. I don't understand why it is hard to see why our stance on the overall package changed while our valuation of the individual parts did not. Though maybe an overpay, it still sets LAL for a potential title run so I'm not saying it won't be worth it. Those picks could end up being late and the swaps not exercised so only time will tell who won this deal (likely both teams).
Karmaloop wrote:TGW wrote:Oh please. No one was proposing Ball + Ingram + Hart + three firsts. NO ONE.
This was a gross overpay.
If this same package was offered prior to the deal breaking, we wouldn't have heard about how great the Pelicans did. We'd be hearing about how the Lakers' young players were garbage and the future picks were worthless.
Karmaloop wrote:Prospect Dong wrote:Maybe you have some quotes where you suggested you would be happy paying something like this price for Davis?
I don't. But I'm more than willing to admit there's a TON of inherent risk involved in this transaction. If they can't find that 3rd star or put the right combination of role players around LBJ/AD, this could blow up in the Lakers face. Would I have liked the Lakers to give up less? Absolutely, but I'm also not stupid enough to think the Lakers were better off without Anthony Davis.
VCfor3 wrote:If you had proposed the final package, everyone would have jumped to point out how teams have learned from Brooklyn's previous gamble and don't give up a bunch of unprotected future 1sts and pick swaps anymore.
Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, 4, 2020 or 2021 1st was what I thought the package was going to end up being.
Karmaloop wrote:VCfor3 wrote:Yes we went from 4+Ingram+Ball as a weak package to saying you guys got killed due to including most of your youth as well as involving most of your 1sts moving forward. I don't understand why it is hard to see why our stance on the overall package changed while our valuation of the individual parts did not. Though maybe an overpay, it still sets LAL for a potential title run so I'm not saying it won't be worth it. Those picks could end up being late and the swaps not exercised so only time will tell who won this deal (likely both teams).
Most of our youth? The only other young guy we threw in was Josh Hart. I mean, the only other young guys the Lakers had were Kyle Kuzma, Mo Wagner, and Isaac Bonga. The latter two have no value at all. If Ingram/Ball/4 is a weak package, I'm not sure how adding Hart really changes that unless you think Hart is more than a good 3&D wing. The picks are the biggest question mark, which is why I think it's asinine to say the Lakers got killed until we see how the Lakers use their cap space this offseason. IF the Lakers are able to land a premier FA to pair with LeBron and Anthony Davis, those picks are borderline worthless. And one title is worth futility for the next decade. You think Toronto has any regrets about making the Kawhi Leonard trade?
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