2019 free agency and trade ideas: part 2 Downloading

[Ghost of Kleine]

Couldn't we just trade Jackson and a future 2nd to the Knicks for the Lance Thomas contract? His contract is 7 million/ with only a one million buyout. Also, I still say try and trade Warren to one of :

Atlanta- Warren and the Milwaukee pick for the 17th pick and cap space.

Memphis- Warren/ Milwaukee pick for Tony Allen's 12 million contract. With only 2 million guaranteed if waived by July 3rd.

2019 $2 million guaranteed, fully if not waived on or before 7/3/19

Charlotte- Warren/ Milwaukee pick for Either the 12th pick( Take Clarke or Bidatze) or Warren/ for Marvin Williams and the 12th pick. ( still take Clarke).

Utah- Warren for the 23rd pick ( Cam Johnson or Ty Jerome) and cap space.

Golden State- Warren for Shaun Livingstons' contract ( 8.3 million, only 2 million guaranteed if waived by June 30th). And the 28th pick ( Chuma Okeke or Grant Williams).

Cleveland- Warren and the Milwaukee pick for Jr Smith's contract.

Dallas-Warren or Jackson and the Milwaukee pick for the 37th pick ( take Darius Bazley or Lugen Dortz )???


All of these are potential great trade partners for Warren.

As for Jackson- I really like:

Atlanta- Jackson and the Milwaukee pick for the 17th pick, if they say no, just do Jackson for the 35th pick.

Detroit- Jackson and the Milwaukee pick for the 45th pick. ( take Zach Norvell).
Indiana-*****My favorite. Jackson and the 32nd for TJ Leaf and the 18th pick( Ty Jerome/ NAW/ or Kabengele)???

San Antonio- Jackson for the 19th pick ( Cam Johnson or Grant Williams)???

Sacramento- Jackson for the 40th pick( Take Kyle Guy / Zach Norvell or Zylan Cheatham). The point is that there should be plenty of options. For us to be able to create cap space for free agency.

My gut hopes we have a deal for holiday with warren/Jackson/6. And the rumor is us checking if anyone has a better offer.

That would be awesome for sure man. However, I'm pretty certain that Griffin fully intends to hold onto Holiday and put him with either Ball or ultimately beside Beal( A dream scenario for Griffin honestly)!

If we helped to add some assets, perhaps we maybe could sneak either the 9th pick or maybe Bryant if we're lucky?

Maybe we could flip Warren / Jackson and the Milwaukee pick to the Pels. Then the Pels could toss a package of Ball/ Ingram/ Warren/ the 4th pick, the Milwaukee pick and a future Lakers first for Beal. We in turn get the 9th pick. Then at 6- We take Hunter. At 9- we take Clarke.

Clarke and Hunter would be an absolutely amazing interchangable defensive power forward combo for us obviously! And our defense would be absolutely outstanding with the trio of Bridges, Hunter and Clarke. And then adding Beverly too would be insane! Booker, Oubre and Ayton can handle the offense for us. Maybe we take zach Norvell or Kyle Guy in the 2nd round for added shooting too.

Then we trade Johnson and a future lottery protected first to Memphis for Tony Allen's 18 million contract ( ***Only 2 million guaranteed if waived by June30th ). We now have an additional 17 million in cap space to add to our 10 million. Subtracting the 9 million for the 6 and the 9th picks, and we still have around 18-20 million in cap space to address our point guard needs. Maybe sign Beverly and make an offer to Santoransky? Or Beverly and McConnell? Or Cory Joseph and Santoransky?

[Saberestar]

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Snelly cat wouldn't work here but if they find another route other than cap space to address PG then ersan for free into the Suns cap space could make sense as a 1 year stop gap at PF.

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I like Ilyasova, I would absorb his contract and get a second round pick.

He is a really good backup, he gives you a veteran who spreads the floor and is smart on defense. He gets a ton of charges and rebounds the ball.

[bwgood77]

One line from David Aldridge's recent article in The Athletic...

Kyrie Irving, whom sources have maintained for months wants to play with Davis

https://theathletic.com/1029788/2019/06/15/aldridge-lakers-get-their-man-pelicans-work-their-plan-ripples-are-nba-wide/

I wonder how much consideration he will give to the Lakers.

[enigmatics]

You can stop wasting your time. Conley to Utah is basically a done deal.

Looks like it

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?s

Takes jazz out of DLo race as well

Thank God.

[bwoolf2]

One line from David Aldridge's recent article in The Athletic...

Kyrie Irving, whom sources have maintained for months wants to play with Davis

https://theathletic.com/1029788/2019/06/15/aldridge-lakers-get-their-man-pelicans-work-their-plan-ripples-are-nba-wide/

I wonder how much consideration he will give to the Lakers.

Im betting there is a 90% chance he signs with the Lakers, after his mea culpa with James, his stated desire to play with AD, and wanting to win more Championships, it gives him everything he wants and his best shot at winning another ring, much better than with Boston or Brooklyn....

[bigfoot]

What's with all the Holmes love? Is he the 2019 version of Lou? He is not very good. Suns should be looking to upgrade everywhere.

It's more relative to his cap cost. He only counts $1.6 million against the cap this summer. If you replace him, you likely pay more for someone which eats into what you could potentially pay a PG/PF with your cap space.

Really he only counts about $800K against the cap because if you renounce his rights needs to be replaced on the roster with a minimum contract player which is $800K of cap space. Not worth renouncing in my opinion.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Kyrie could end up with the Lakers, he's a crazy weirdo so who knows what hell do, but I'd still consider Brooklyn the favorite. I'd MUCH rather have Kyrie in LA vs Kawhi, that one scares the hell out of me.

The thought of DLo going to Utah cracks me up. Like it would take them being the only team offering him a max. Just doesn't seem like a good fit for him off the court.

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[grumpysaddle]

Couldn't we just trade Jackson and a future 2nd to the Knicks for the Lance Thomas contract? His contract is 7 million/ with only a one million buyout. Also, I still say try and trade Warren to one of :

Atlanta- Warren and the Milwaukee pick for the 17th pick and cap space.

Memphis- Warren/ Milwaukee pick for Tony Allen's 12 million contract. With only 2 million guaranteed if waived by July 3rd.



Charlotte- Warren/ Milwaukee pick for Either the 12th pick( Take Clarke or Bidatze) or Warren/ for Marvin Williams and the 12th pick. ( still take Clarke).

Utah- Warren for the 23rd pick ( Cam Johnson or Ty Jerome) and cap space.

Golden State- Warren for Shaun Livingstons' contract ( 8.3 million, only 2 million guaranteed if waived by June 30th). And the 28th pick ( Chuma Okeke or Grant Williams).

Cleveland- Warren and the Milwaukee pick for Jr Smith's contract.

Dallas-Warren or Jackson and the Milwaukee pick for the 37th pick ( take Darius Bazley or Lugen Dortz )???


All of these are potential great trade partners for Warren.

As for Jackson- I really like:

Atlanta- Jackson and the Milwaukee pick for the 17th pick, if they say no, just do Jackson for the 35th pick.

Detroit- Jackson and the Milwaukee pick for the 45th pick. ( take Zach Norvell).
Indiana-*****My favorite. Jackson and the 32nd for TJ Leaf and the 18th pick( Ty Jerome/ NAW/ or Kabengele)???

San Antonio- Jackson for the 19th pick ( Cam Johnson or Grant Williams)???

Sacramento- Jackson for the 40th pick( Take Kyle Guy / Zach Norvell or Zylan Cheatham). The point is that there should be plenty of options. For us to be able to create cap space for free agency.

My gut hopes we have a deal for holiday with warren/Jackson/6. And the rumor is us checking if anyone has a better offer.

That would be awesome for sure man. However, I'm pretty certain that Griffin fully intends to hold onto Holiday and put him with either Ball or ultimately beside Beal( A dream scenario for Griffin honestly)!

If we helped to add some assets, perhaps we maybe could sneak either the 9th pick or maybe Bryant if we're lucky?

Maybe we could flip Warren / Jackson and the Milwaukee pick to the Pels. Then the Pels could toss a package of Ball/ Ingram/ Warren/ the 4th pick, the Milwaukee pick and a future Lakers first for Beal. We in turn get the 9th pick. Then at 6- We take Hunter. At 9- we take Clarke.

Then we trade Johnson and a future lottery protected first to Memphis for Tony Allen's 18 million contract ( ***Only 2 million guaranteed). We now have an additional 17 million in cap space to add to our 10 million. Subtracting the 9 million for the 6 and the 9th picks, and we still have around 18-20 million in cap space to address our point guard needs. Maybe sign Beverly and Santoransky? Or Beverly and McConnell.

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

[bwgood77]

My gut hopes we have a deal for holiday with warren/Jackson/6. And the rumor is us checking if anyone has a better offer.

That would be awesome for sure man. However, I'm pretty certain that Griffin fully intends to hold onto Holiday and put him with either Ball or ultimately beside Beal( A dream scenario for Griffin honestly)!

If we helped to add some assets, perhaps we maybe could sneak either the 9th pick or maybe Bryant if we're lucky?

Maybe we could flip Warren / Jackson and the Milwaukee pick to the Pels. Then the Pels could toss a package of Ball/ Ingram/ Warren/ the 4th pick, the Milwaukee pick and a future Lakers first for Beal. We in turn get the 9th pick. Then at 6- We take Hunter. At 9- we take Clarke.

Then we trade Johnson and a future lottery protected first to Memphis for Tony Allen's 18 million contract ( ***Only 2 million guaranteed). We now have an additional 17 million in cap space to add to our 10 million. Subtracting the 9 million for the 6 and the 9th picks, and we still have around 18-20 million in cap space to address our point guard needs. Maybe sign Beverly and Santoransky? Or Beverly and McConnell.

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

It's become quite trendy.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Snelly cat wouldn't work here but if they find another route other than cap space to address PG then ersan for free into the Suns cap space could make sense as a 1 year stop gap at PF.

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I like Ilyasova, I would absorb his contract and get a second round pick.

He is a really good backup, he gives you a veteran who spreads the floor and is smart on defense. He gets a ton of charges and rebounds the ball.

Then maybe take Ty Jerome at 30 and Grant Williams at 32? Both very poised great basketball players with very high IQs'.

[BobbieL]

That would be awesome for sure man. However, I'm pretty certain that Griffin fully intends to hold onto Holiday and put him with either Ball or ultimately beside Beal( A dream scenario for Griffin honestly)!

If we helped to add some assets, perhaps we maybe could sneak either the 9th pick or maybe Bryant if we're lucky?

Maybe we could flip Warren / Jackson and the Milwaukee pick to the Pels. Then the Pels could toss a package of Ball/ Ingram/ Warren/ the 4th pick, the Milwaukee pick and a future Lakers first for Beal. We in turn get the 9th pick. Then at 6- We take Hunter. At 9- we take Clarke.

Then we trade Johnson and a future lottery protected first to Memphis for Tony Allen's 18 million contract ( ***Only 2 million guaranteed). We now have an additional 17 million in cap space to add to our 10 million. Subtracting the 9 million for the 6 and the 9th picks, and we still have around 18-20 million in cap space to address our point guard needs. Maybe sign Beverly and Santoransky? Or Beverly and McConnell.

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

It's become quite trendy.

Not that Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (or was it Richard Jefferson) were as good as Tony Warren - but sometimes trades like the above are a means to an end. Of course, the Warriors traded two players and two unprotected FRPs to get Andre Iguodala

Now, I think Warren has more value that the trade Ghost is proposing. I also think if you need the cap space - you might make what appears to be a lopsided trade to get the second part. So, if the Suns do use Warren in cash dump trades - they REALLY REALLY REALLY have to make sure they have a guarantee/ And Not a CArlos Boozer guarantee - right Paul Silas

[WeekapaugGroove]

Bottom line I think both TJs and Jacksons time here is done for multiple reasons. Probably good for all sides too.

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[KLEON]

Why, why, why is TJ involved in trade rumors?SMH

[grumpysaddle]

Not only TJ for crappy pics or cash dumps, but also including other assets for other bad picks.

[Saberestar]

What's with all the Holmes love? Is he the 2019 version of Lou? He is not very good. Suns should be looking to upgrade everywhere.

It's more relative to his cap cost. He only counts $1.6 million against the cap this summer. If you replace him, you likely pay more for someone which eats into what you could potentially pay a PG/PF with your cap space.

Really he only counts about $800K against the cap because if you renounce his rights needs to be replaced on the roster with a minimum contract player which is $800K of cap space. Not worth renouncing in my opinion.

The problem would be the next few years. His contract after next season can be a relatively bad contract.

Imagine that he gets from us a contract around $18M / 3 years...yeah, a realistic contract. I wouldn't be comfortable with that contract just because he only counts $800K against the cap this next season...life continues after that year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

That would be awesome for sure man. However, I'm pretty certain that Griffin fully intends to hold onto Holiday and put him with either Ball or ultimately beside Beal( A dream scenario for Griffin honestly)!

If we helped to add some assets, perhaps we maybe could sneak either the 9th pick or maybe Bryant if we're lucky?

Maybe we could flip Warren / Jackson and the Milwaukee pick to the Pels. Then the Pels could toss a package of Ball/ Ingram/ Warren/ the 4th pick, the Milwaukee pick and a future Lakers first for Beal. We in turn get the 9th pick. Then at 6- We take Hunter. At 9- we take Clarke.

Then we trade Johnson and a future lottery protected first to Memphis for Tony Allen's 18 million contract ( ***Only 2 million guaranteed). We now have an additional 17 million in cap space to add to our 10 million. Subtracting the 9 million for the 6 and the 9th picks, and we still have around 18-20 million in cap space to address our point guard needs. Maybe sign Beverly and Santoransky? Or Beverly and McConnell.

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

Garbage? Lol....Warren doesn't exactly have great percieved value around the league, Also doesn't look to be figuring into the team's long term plans either. And with all due respect, Hunter is honestly what we hope that Warren could someday become. A defensive wing ( 3,4) that csn hit threes. Hunter is Warren now, But younger, cheaper and actually would be a great defender.

And with Clarke, we would actually have a genuine weakside shotblocking 4 that can cover Aytons' deficiencies. Again, adding those two would give up incredible defense and versatility at the 2-4. We'd have 2 ELITE perimeter defenders in Bridges and Hunter. And a potentially Elite rim protector next to Ayton.

Exactly how is it that in trading a player who is oft injured and has relatively low percieved value around the league for a wing player who is younger, cheaper, plays much better defense, has a championship pedigree, and averaged over 40% 3 point shooting equate to garbage???

It's become quite trendy.

Also, it's become trendy because outside of our core players ( Booker/Ayton/ Bridges/ and Oubre) None of which will be traded obviously, He's our only AVAILABLE asset without negative value ( Jackson). Which again is why you are hearing about him being involved in trade packages.

As much as everyone hates the idea of bringing in more rookies, this is a perfect example of why it's important to add low cost talent through the draft. Because we need to replenish our asset pool. And when we do this, Then we won't have to be forced to make decisions regarding productive veteran's such as Warren, because we'll actually have other available options.

[BobbieL]

Why, why, why is TJ involved in trade rumors?SMH

Suns do not have the cap space to improve the roster (the curse of the Brandon Knight signing) - so what player(s) can be traded to get cap space.

I would prefer to keep Warren as I think he would be an excellent 6th man. That said, I want the team to improve more and if it takes trading WArren, Jackson, the 6th pick - I am good with it.

[bwgood77]

You sure are obsessed with trading warren for literal garbage, arent you?

It's become quite trendy.

Not that Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (or was it Richard Jefferson) were as good as Tony Warren - but sometimes trades like the above are a means to an end. Of course, the Warriors traded two players and two unprotected FRPs to get Andre Iguodala

Now, I think Warren has more value that the trade Ghost is proposing. I also think if you need the cap space - you might make what appears to be a lopsided trade to get the second part. So, if the Suns do use Warren in cash dump trades - they REALLY REALLY REALLY have to make sure they have a guarantee/ And Not a CArlos Boozer guarantee - right Paul Silas

Sometimes those are means to an end, but you do those trades AFTER you get someone to agree to sign, not before. You could end up dumping a solid contributor to free up cap space only to strike out and sign no one at all, or worse yet, someone worse. I would first try to use TJ (if they are trying to trade him) to net a useful player in return.

Now if there comes a time where they decide they really want DLo and he has been renounced and agrees to come here, and they felt they would rather have Tyler Johnson as a 3rd guard more than TJ, than they could make a trade clearing TJ and JJ.

[bwgood77]

It's more relative to his cap cost. He only counts $1.6 million against the cap this summer. If you replace him, you likely pay more for someone which eats into what you could potentially pay a PG/PF with your cap space.

Really he only counts about $800K against the cap because if you renounce his rights needs to be replaced on the roster with a minimum contract player which is $800K of cap space. Not worth renouncing in my opinion.

The problem would be the next few years. His contract after next season can be a relatively bad contract.

Imagine that he gets from us a contract around $18M / 3 years...yeah, a realistic contract. I wouldn't be comfortable with that contract just because he only counts $800K against the cap this next season...life continues after that year.

I wouldn't give him near that. Maybe more like $7/2 years or perhaps more than half that for just 1 year.

[BobbieL]

It's become quite trendy.

Not that Andres Biedrins and Brandon Rush (or was it Richard Jefferson) were as good as Tony Warren - but sometimes trades like the above are a means to an end. Of course, the Warriors traded two players and two unprotected FRPs to get Andre Iguodala

Now, I think Warren has more value that the trade Ghost is proposing. I also think if you need the cap space - you might make what appears to be a lopsided trade to get the second part. So, if the Suns do use Warren in cash dump trades - they REALLY REALLY REALLY have to make sure they have a guarantee/ And Not a CArlos Boozer guarantee - right Paul Silas

Sometimes those are means to an end, but you do those trades AFTER you get someone to agree to sign, not before. You could end up dumping a solid contributor to free up cap space only to strike out and sign no one at all, or worse yet, someone worse. I would first try to use TJ (if they are trying to trade him) to net a useful player in return.

Now if there comes a time where they decide they really want DLo and he has been renounced and agrees to come here, and they felt they would rather have Tyler Johnson as a 3rd guard more than TJ, than they could make a trade clearing TJ and JJ.

right - i don't want to trade Warren or Josh this week for pure cap space.