Future Free Agent Thread

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This is another problem with the Conley trade - we cannot really use a 1st round pick for a trade until like... 2024. They are all tied up in that trade. Who would consider a future pick valuable if the earliest you can get it is 2024 and even then it's not 100% that you will ever get it. Using another pick to dump Exum is **** insane too... we should have just put him in the Memphis trade if we wanted to dump him.

We should also have waited for that trade and done it after FA, now we are screwed up on several levels in addition to the steep price we paid.

[Calhamid94]

Is there any way we can re-structure Conleys contract?

[Luigi]

This is another problem with the Conley trade - we cannot really use a 1st round pick for a trade until like... 2024. They are all tied up in that trade. Who would consider a future pick valuable if the earliest you can get it is 2024 and even then it's not 100% that you will ever get it. Using another pick to dump Exum is **** insane too... we should have just put him in the Memphis trade if we wanted to dump him.

We should also have waited for that trade and done it after FA, now we are screwed up on several levels in addition to the steep price we paid.

I wonder if it is possible to add Exum to that trade still. It doesn't go through for a bit, right? That way we can add a pick in the mix, or remove protections. Not sure if that's possible per rules though.

I don't think we attract Harris without Conley, but we should have kept more flexibility with the initial plan.

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This is another problem with the Conley trade - we cannot really use a 1st round pick for a trade until like... 2024. They are all tied up in that trade. Who would consider a future pick valuable if the earliest you can get it is 2024 and even then it's not 100% that you will ever get it. Using another pick to dump Exum is **** insane too... we should have just put him in the Memphis trade if we wanted to dump him.

We should also have waited for that trade and done it after FA, now we are screwed up on several levels in addition to the steep price we paid.

I wonder if it is possible to add Exum to that trade still. It doesn't go through for a bit, right? That way we can add a pick in the mix, or remove protections. Not sure if that's possible per rules though.

I don't think we attract Harris without Conley, but we should have kept more flexibility with the initial plan.

It's possible. Until the trade is called in by both teams into the league offices, it's not official and can be amended, but it shows amateurism on our side and it puts us in a position of weakness - Memphis can always say - hm... but we got the deal we already wanted, you have to pay extra for this new one if you want it done. And then we are screwed up even more.

[Luigi]

This is another problem with the Conley trade - we cannot really use a 1st round pick for a trade until like... 2024. They are all tied up in that trade. Who would consider a future pick valuable if the earliest you can get it is 2024 and even then it's not 100% that you will ever get it. Using another pick to dump Exum is **** insane too... we should have just put him in the Memphis trade if we wanted to dump him.

We should also have waited for that trade and done it after FA, now we are screwed up on several levels in addition to the steep price we paid.

I wonder if it is possible to add Exum to that trade still. It doesn't go through for a bit, right? That way we can add a pick in the mix, or remove protections. Not sure if that's possible per rules though.

I don't think we attract Harris without Conley, but we should have kept more flexibility with the initial plan.

It's possible. Until the trade is called in by both teams into the league offices, it's not official and can be amended, but it shows amateurism on our side and it puts us in a position of weakness - Memphis can always say - hm... but we got the deal we already wanted, you have to pay extra for this new one if you want it done. And then we are screwed up even more.

True. We needed to secure it with max space options. Once again, betting on Exum was a mistake

But I say we swallow our pride, add a pick, and move the boy. Get Harris in here. I don't think we'd do badly by filling out the rest of the roster with vet mins. We can find replacement players a lot like the one's we currently have under contract (minus O'Neale).

[VCfor3]

This is another problem with the Conley trade - we cannot really use a 1st round pick for a trade until like... 2024. They are all tied up in that trade. Who would consider a future pick valuable if the earliest you can get it is 2024 and even then it's not 100% that you will ever get it. Using another pick to dump Exum is **** insane too... we should have just put him in the Memphis trade if we wanted to dump him.

We should also have waited for that trade and done it after FA, now we are screwed up on several levels in addition to the steep price we paid.

I wonder if it is possible to add Exum to that trade still. It doesn't go through for a bit, right? That way we can add a pick in the mix, or remove protections. Not sure if that's possible per rules though.

I don't think we attract Harris without Conley, but we should have kept more flexibility with the initial plan.

It's possible. Until the trade is called in by both teams into the league offices, it's not official and can be amended, but it shows amateurism on our side and it puts us in a position of weakness - Memphis can always say - hm... but we got the deal we already wanted, you have to pay extra for this new one if you want it done. And then we are screwed up even more.

I think amending the trade to add Exum (possible along with additional compensation) isn't a sign of amateurism depending on how you go about it though to add him without adding anything else to the deal probably won't happen unless Memphis is still high on him. In that scenario, you simply call and ask "hey, you guys still want Exum? We can toss him in for free" and see what Memphis says. If Memphis says sure with additional compensation, you then haggle. I see a couple ways for you guys to make the deal work though if Harris agrees to sign and neither would be adding another 1st (though I'd LOVE that deal ha).

1. Trade Exum to a 3rd team along with a future 2nd. I could see one of the young teams being willing to take a flyer on him especially if they are unable to get a decent vet in FA. If needed for financial reasons, you can probably turn it into a three team deal with Memphis and it not be a big deal. Send 100k cash for the trouble if you want but it doesn't really make a difference for Memphis who still ultimately get the same deal.
2. Add Exum to the Conley deal along with incentive. I'm thinking you are looking at conversations involving 2nds, cash, and/or removing some of the protections on the 2022 pick more so than adding another 1st.

[Luigi]

We need a handshake agreement with Harris for a haircut. But I'm all in for this.

[KqWIN]

I don't buy into the Harris thing...but I have a hard time believing that the Jazz did not have plans already to address the roster. Right now, the Jazz only have 6 reliable players on the entire roster with just the room exception to address it.

[Daddy 801]

Bobby Portis being interested in us is cool.

The Wiz being way over the salary cap could mean they want to unload money. If that’s the case maybe we could trade for Portis and get assets back.

Tell me if this works.

Sign and trade for Portis (4 year 40 million deal), T. Brown, and two second round draft picks. We send Favors. We get 2-3 million more for back up players.

They can waive Favors and save 17 million.

Doable?

[dr0welf]

This is another problem with the Conley trade - we cannot really use a 1st round pick for a trade until like... 2024. They are all tied up in that trade. Who would consider a future pick valuable if the earliest you can get it is 2024 and even then it's not 100% that you will ever get it. Using another pick to dump Exum is **** insane too... we should have just put him in the Memphis trade if we wanted to dump him.

We should also have waited for that trade and done it after FA, now we are screwed up on several levels in addition to the steep price we paid.

Can you trade the same pick with different precautions? Like Memphis gets the pick in the 16+ range, Team X gets it in the 10-15 range??

[Rainwater]

Bobby Portis being interested in us is cool.

The Wiz being way over the salary cap could mean they want to unload money. If that’s the case maybe we could trade for Portis and get assets back.

Tell me if this works.

Sign and trade for Portis (4 year 40 million deal), T. Brown, and two second round draft picks. We send Favors. We get 2-3 million more for back up players.

They can waive Favors and save 17 million.

Doable?

The Wiz are not interested in taking on contracts, Portis is a goner and the wiz like brown.

[AingesBurner]

Bobby Portis being interested in us is cool.

The Wiz being way over the salary cap could mean they want to unload money. If that’s the case maybe we could trade for Portis and get assets back.

Tell me if this works.

Sign and trade for Portis (4 year 40 million deal), T. Brown, and two second round draft picks. We send Favors. We get 2-3 million more for back up players.

They can waive Favors and save 17 million.

Doable?

The Wiz are not interested in taking on contracts, Portis is a goner and the wiz like brown.

So Wiz are not matching?

[Rainwater]

Bobby Portis being interested in us is cool.

The Wiz being way over the salary cap could mean they want to unload money. If that’s the case maybe we could trade for Portis and get assets back.

Tell me if this works.

Sign and trade for Portis (4 year 40 million deal), T. Brown, and two second round draft picks. We send Favors. We get 2-3 million more for back up players.

They can waive Favors and save 17 million.

Doable?

The Wiz are not interested in taking on contracts, Portis is a goner and the wiz like brown.

So Wiz are not matching?

Highly doubt it, they don't want to pay the tax. They only could afford to retain one of Portis and Parker and signs point to parker as both sides have mutual interest after they declined Parker's option.

[AingesBurner]

The Wiz are not interested in taking on contracts, Portis is a goner and the wiz like brown.

So Wiz are not matching?

Highly doubt it, they don't want to pay the tax. They only could afford to retain one of Portis and Parker and signs point to parker as both sides have mutual interest after they declined Parker's option.

Do you have any links or inside information? Good news for Utah.

[Luigi]

I don't buy into the Harris thing...but I have a hard time believing that the Jazz did not have plans already to address the roster. Right now, the Jazz only have 6 reliable players on the entire roster with just the room exception to address it.

Too good to be true on Harris? Any particular reason?

[Rainwater]

So Wiz are not matching?

Highly doubt it, they don't want to pay the tax. They only could afford to retain one of Portis and Parker and signs point to parker as both sides have mutual interest after they declined Parker's option.

Do you have any links or inside information? Good news for Utah.

Bobby Portis is a restricted free agent so the Washington Wizards control his rights, BUT the Washington Wizards are projected to not be a playoff team next year and they just drafted Rui Hachimura who plays at that same position. There’s one more wrinkle to the whole equation, if the Washington Wizards brought back everyone to their team at their cap hold value their total payroll would be $171MM. The Washington Wizards DO NOT want to be a luxury tax paying team which means Bobby Portis’ contract will most likely not be matched.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2019/6/22/18713739/2019-nba-free-agency-bobby-portis-has-significant-interest-utah-jazz-washington-wizards

The Washington Wizards will decline the $20 million team option in the contract of forward Jabari Parker for the 2019-20 NBA season.

Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports reported the news, adding Washington and Parker have mutual interest in working out a new deal.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2834254-report-wizards-decline-jabari-parker-contract-option-interest-in-re-signing

I was going to dig some quotes off some knowledgeable wizards fans but got lazy, lol. The above links should be enough.

[KqWIN]

I don't buy into the Harris thing...but I have a hard time believing that the Jazz did not have plans already to address the roster. Right now, the Jazz only have 6 reliable players on the entire roster with just the room exception to address it.

Too good to be true on Harris? Any particular reason?

There's a chance he's interested...but the financial feasibility makes me think it's very unlikely. The scenarios exist, but they require cooperation with other parties and eating Exum's contract. Seems unlikely.

I'm also sticking to my initial intuition that the Conley deal was a sign that the Jazz knew that they weren't going to get Harris, Russell, or any other max free agent. Perhaps I have a bit a paranoia, but with all the tampering going on I think most max players already know where they're going.

[KqWIN]

One more player that could fit into AB's TPE. I know he has some fans on this board. His team is tight on money and would probably likely to clear him off the books!

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[KqWIN]

Here's the Tobias trade boys:

UTA OUT: Exum+Favors
UTA IN: Tobias Harris

NOP OUT: Draft Capital
NOP IN: Derrick Favors

PHI OUT: Tobias Harris
PHI IN: Exum

Alternatively, Exum could go to NOP.

Tobias would have to tell Philly that he is not signing there under any circumstances and has a backup plan. NOP would have to pay enough draft capital for Favors for it to be worth it for PHI to take Exum.

[AingesBurner]

Here's the Tobias trade boys:

UTA OUT: Exum+Favors
UTA IN: Tobias Harris

NOP OUT: Draft Capital
NOP IN: Derrick Favors

PHI OUT: Tobias Harris
PHI IN: Exum

Alternatively, Exum could go to NOP.

Tobias would have to tell Philly that he is not signing there under any circumstances and has a backup plan. NOP would have to pay enough draft capital for Favors for it to be worth it for PHI to take Exum.

It’s going to have to be ingles or it’s not enough.