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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1441 » by Arsenal » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:55 am

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D'angelo is almost textbook example of someone that due to his mentality and skillset needs to have the ball in his hands if you are going to get sufficient value from him especially when he is on a max contract (although i doubt he is worth it).




That's not true at all, he had a lot of big games in which Dinwiddie or Levert also had big games, he's a very good catch and shoot player but when Levert went down he had to play more with the ball in his hands. He's a combo guard that can play off the ball or on, he's not particularly elite at either, but good at both. He's still young enough that he could become an good to great isolation scorer, especially when you look around the league at young PGs and see that he's the best iso-scorer under 24.



If i am not mistaken the Nets tried not to play D'Angelo together with Dinwiddle and Levert.

In the end even if his shooting this year is not an outlier, which it could be, it is hard to justify paying a max contract to a guy that is not a good defender, is not efficient and he will have to share the ball with another 2-3 players turning him into a spot up shooter for a large part of the game. Perhaps more importantly i dont see how this will work in terms of chemistry in the team. I dont think D'Angelo wants such a role, i dont think that Simmons wants to play off ball and the same same basically for Butler, Embiid and Harris. It is not hard to get in a situation like the Celtics this year where each player played for his own stats.


That was mainly a problem because the young guys on the Celtics (Brown, Rozier, and Tatum) all are playing for their next (first) big money contract and had to give up usage to a gimpy Gordon Hayward who wasn't worthy of it, and Kyrie who is a selfish ball hog.

That won't be a problem here as everyone will have their money already.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1442 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:43 pm

Well then jettison some chefs from the kitchen in favor of better fitting ones.

Renounce Butler

and\or

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Post#1443 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:18 pm

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BullyKing wrote:Just need to get rid of the salary cap and rework the entire CBA for it to happen and then you guys might really be onto something with these no Butler plans.


I know you have been reminding of the advantages of operating above the cap; however, what about the suggestions of renouncing everyone except JJ and Tobias, and signing DLo? Seems to be possible capwise, and something I think makes basketball sense. Not sure what JJ would accept to re-sign. However, it seems to work cap wise as far as the major pieces.

I have no clue if DLo would have interest in us, but so much talk in this thread, I think it’s an interesting discussion. Just do to age and size of their max deals, considering DLo in place of Butler makes a lot of sense.


Yes, that's possible cap wise. I'm guessing we're assuming he's been renounced for this conversation because blowing up your team to go after an RFA is an issue in its own right. The problem is that the people advocating for swapping Butler for DLO are then ignoring the related consequences of that swap like proposing adding Aminu, Scott and the MLE on top of that which is impossible.

The other problem with a DLO for Butler swap is our starting lineup is now comprised of 3 below average defenders.


It's entirely possible.

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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1444 » by kriss73 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:20 pm

Read on Twitter


hard to see him back after meetings on both coasts.

Shamet and the MIA pick....for a rent
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1445 » by Kobblehead » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:23 pm

Teams will be pitching the offensive role angle, for sure.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1446 » by 51X3RF4N » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:29 pm

kriss73 wrote:
Read on Twitter


hard to see him back after meetings on both coasts.

Shamet and the MIA pick....for a rent
Or maybe he never makes it to the west coast because Sixers offer the 5 year max the minute they're allowed to and he signs it?
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1447 » by fl311 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:31 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:
kriss73 wrote:
Read on Twitter


hard to see him back after meetings on both coasts.

Shamet and the MIA pick....for a rent
Or maybe he never makes it to the west coast because Sixers offer the 5 year max the minute they're allowed to and he signs it?


There are not many West Coast teams that are close to winning and will prioritize him.

This is called negotiating.

Some of you are going to drive yourselves crazy by listening to every possible rumor leaked this week
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1448 » by BullyKing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:33 pm

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I know you have been reminding of the advantages of operating above the cap; however, what about the suggestions of renouncing everyone except JJ and Tobias, and signing DLo? Seems to be possible capwise, and something I think makes basketball sense. Not sure what JJ would accept to re-sign. However, it seems to work cap wise as far as the major pieces.

I have no clue if DLo would have interest in us, but so much talk in this thread, I think it’s an interesting discussion. Just do to age and size of their max deals, considering DLo in place of Butler makes a lot of sense.


Yes, that's possible cap wise. I'm guessing we're assuming he's been renounced for this conversation because blowing up your team to go after an RFA is an issue in its own right. The problem is that the people advocating for swapping Butler for DLO are then ignoring the related consequences of that swap like proposing adding Aminu, Scott and the MLE on top of that which is impossible.

The other problem with a DLO for Butler swap is our starting lineup is now comprised of 3 below average defenders.


It's entirely possible.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=15225626675d0f8b0317bd5391925968


Sure, just need to get four guys to accept below market deals. No biggie.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1449 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:35 pm

BullyKing wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Yes, that's possible cap wise. I'm guessing we're assuming he's been renounced for this conversation because blowing up your team to go after an RFA is an issue in its own right. The problem is that the people advocating for swapping Butler for DLO are then ignoring the related consequences of that swap like proposing adding Aminu, Scott and the MLE on top of that which is impossible.

The other problem with a DLO for Butler swap is our starting lineup is now comprised of 3 below average defenders.


It's entirely possible.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=15225626675d0f8b0317bd5391925968


Sure, just need to get four guys to accept below market deals. No biggie.


Maybe Aminu. Who else between Harris, JJ, and Scott would be doing that?
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1450 » by BullyKing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:04 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:


Sure, just need to get four guys to accept below market deals. No biggie.


Maybe Aminu. Who else between Harris, JJ, and Scott would be doing that?


All of them, and add DLO in also.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1451 » by kriss73 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:08 pm

fl311 wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:
kriss73 wrote:
Read on Twitter


hard to see him back after meetings on both coasts.

Shamet and the MIA pick....for a rent
Or maybe he never makes it to the west coast because Sixers offer the 5 year max the minute they're allowed to and he signs it?


There are not many West Coast teams that are close to winning and will prioritize him.

This is called negotiating.

Some of you are going to drive yourselves crazy by listening to every possible rumor leaked this week


You misunderstood.
I'm not crazy, but I dont remember so many players have many meetings and then stay with the original team.
Also I don't belive the Sixers are going to offer the max to Harris.
Not straight out the gate.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1452 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:12 pm

BullyKing wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Sure, just need to get four guys to accept below market deals. No biggie.


Maybe Aminu. Who else between Harris, JJ, and Scott would be doing that?


All of them, and add DLO in also.


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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1453 » by fl311 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:13 pm

kriss73 wrote:
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51X3RF4N wrote:Or maybe he never makes it to the west coast because Sixers offer the 5 year max the minute they're allowed to and he signs it?


There are not many West Coast teams that are close to winning and will prioritize him.

This is called negotiating.

Some of you are going to drive yourselves crazy by listening to every possible rumor leaked this week


You misunderstood.
I'm not crazy, but I dont remember so many players have many meetings and then stay with the original team.
Also I don't belive the Sixers are going to offer the max to Harris.
Not straight out the gate.


My comment wasn’t directed at you, sorry.

Nobody knows if he has any meeting lined up. This is a NY reporter leaking info from his agent to put pressure on Sixers.

We will hear a lot of rumors from all teams over the next week. Can’t read anything into them
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1454 » by BullyKing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:31 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
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Maybe Aminu. Who else between Harris, JJ, and Scott would be doing that?


All of them, and add DLO in also.


:roll:


Sorry for raining on your parade that I don't think its realistic for DLO and Harris to both sign under max, Redick and Aminu taking $8 million a year and Scott taking $2 million.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1455 » by Arsenal » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:32 pm

kriss73 wrote:
fl311 wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:Or maybe he never makes it to the west coast because Sixers offer the 5 year max the minute they're allowed to and he signs it?


There are not many West Coast teams that are close to winning and will prioritize him.

This is called negotiating.

Some of you are going to drive yourselves crazy by listening to every possible rumor leaked this week


You misunderstood.
I'm not crazy, but I dont remember so many players have many meetings and then stay with the original team.
Also I don't belive the Sixers are going to offer the max to Harris.
Not straight out the gate.


Tobias Harris is not even close to being worth the MAX of $32M to start and going up from there. Not even close. He's worth about $25M in the first year.

If he doesn't accept a reasonable contract (e.g. $27.5M 1st year, total 5/$160M) I'm more than willing to pivot to D'Lo assuming he is renounced after the Nets sign Kyrie + KD.

D'Lo his MAX of $27M/yr is a MUCH BETTER contract than Tobias at $32M.

In that case the only thing we lose is JJ Redick assuming he is not willing to come back for a vet min, with the promise of getting a large balloon payment in a year w/Bird Rights to make up for it. He's going to be freaking 35 next year so its no big loss if he goes.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1456 » by Arsenal » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:44 pm

BullyKing wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
All of them, and add DLO in also.


:roll:


Sorry for raining on your parade that I don't think its realistic for DLO and Harris to both sign under max, Redick and Aminu taking $8 million a year and Scott taking $2 million.


That's true, so here is what is realistic...

We can sign both D'Lo and Harris to the MAX. Wait to sign Harris until after we use up all the cap space. D'Lo signs for $27M, leaves us $12M more in cap. Use that to sign Danny Green. Then resign Harris w/Bird Rights to the MAX.

Try to convince Redick to come back for vet min as we'll have his full Bird Rights next summer. We can make him whole with a 1 year large balloon payment then, like the Spurs did recently w/Ginobili. If he leaves, no big deal.

Prob won't get Aminu w/the Room Exception, but could sign a guy like DeMarre Carroll instead.

See here:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=21262888155d0f9ddbbcc5b993234580

PG Russell | Redick | ???
SG Green | Smith | Shake
SF Harris | Thybulle | ???
PF Simmons | Carroll | ???
CE Embiid | ??? |Bolden

Team is still comfortably below the luxury tax this year, even after signing a few more vet mins to round out the roster. That's important because we'll be well over the tax in the future, so delaying 1 more year before facing the dreaded repeater tax is huge.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1457 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:56 pm

BullyKing wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
All of them, and add DLO in also.


:roll:


Sorry for raining on your parade that I don't think its realistic for DLO and Harris to both sign under max, Redick and Aminu taking $8 million a year and Scott taking $2 million.


You don't think Harris would take $170/5 yrs? His next best offer is $140/4.

JJ signed at $9 mil/yr is more than fair after what he's already received from us. What do you think his market value is?

DLO I agree we'd have to sign to a max. Even if we did, that's only $2-3 mil off what's in that capulator for his 2019-20 salary.

Scott taking $2 mil is an easy yes for him. Jeff Green and Brook Lopez both took vet mins last year and are superior players.

Aminu at $8 mil is just an example. If we can't afford him, then go for someone cheaper like Demarre Caroll, Ariza, Vonleh, etc.

The point is we would still have space to build a roster around Ben/Embiid/DLO/Harris. I know you get off on taking your job too seriously and critiquing every post related to the cap but maybe you could take a less literal/rigid approach when reading possible scenarios?
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1458 » by BullyKing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:00 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
:roll:


Sorry for raining on your parade that I don't think its realistic for DLO and Harris to both sign under max, Redick and Aminu taking $8 million a year and Scott taking $2 million.


You don't think Harris would take $170/5 yrs? His next best offer is $140/4.

JJ signed at $9 mil/yr is more than fair after what he's already received from us. What do you think his market value is?

DLO I agree we'd have to sign to a max. Even if we did, that's only $2-3 mil off what's in that capulator for his 2019-20 salary.

Scott taking $2 mil is an easy yes for him. Jeff Green and Brook Lopez both took vet mins last year and are superior players.

Aminu at $8 mil is just an example. If we can't afford him, then go for someone cheaper like Demarre Caroll, Ariza, Vonleh, etc.

The point is we would still have space to build a roster around Ben/Embiid/DLO/Harris. I know you get off on taking your job too seriously and critiquing every post related to the cap but maybe you could take a less literal/rigid approach when reading possible scenarios?

What job do I take too seriously? You posted your opinion, I responded that I thought it was unrealistic. Get over yourself or learn to take feedback to your proposals.
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Post#1459 » by BullyKing » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:04 pm

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BullyKing wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
:roll:


Sorry for raining on your parade that I don't think its realistic for DLO and Harris to both sign under max, Redick and Aminu taking $8 million a year and Scott taking $2 million.


That's true, so here is what is realistic...

We can sign both D'Lo and Harris to the MAX. Wait to sign Harris until after we use up all the cap space. D'Lo signs for $27M, leaves us $12M more in cap. Use that to sign Danny Green. Then resign Harris w/Bird Rights to the MAX.

Try to convince Redick to come back for vet min as we'll have his full Bird Rights next summer. We can make him whole with a 1 year large balloon payment then, like the Spurs did recently w/Ginobili. If he leaves, no big deal.

Prob won't get Aminu w/the Room Exception, but could sign a guy like DeMarre Carroll instead.

See here:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=21262888155d0f9ddbbcc5b993234580

PG Russell | Redick | ???
SG Green | Smith | Shake
SF Harris | Thybulle | ???
PF Simmons | Carroll | ???
CE Embiid | ??? |Bolden

Team is still comfortably below the luxury tax this year, even after signing a few more vet mins to round out the roster. That's important because we'll be well over the tax in the future, so delaying 1 more year before facing the dreaded repeater tax is huge.


Yeah I think that is much more realistic since the only "luck" being counted on is convincing Redick to take the minimum for a year. Don't know if that's possible but also easier to absorb his life if he doesn't since you're adding DLO and Green.
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Re: Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread 

Post#1460 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:08 pm

BullyKing wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
BullyKing wrote:
Sorry for raining on your parade that I don't think its realistic for DLO and Harris to both sign under max, Redick and Aminu taking $8 million a year and Scott taking $2 million.


You don't think Harris would take $170/5 yrs? His next best offer is $140/4.

JJ signed at $9 mil/yr is more than fair after what he's already received from us. What do you think his market value is?

DLO I agree we'd have to sign to a max. Even if we did, that's only $2-3 mil off what's in that capulator for his 2019-20 salary.

Scott taking $2 mil is an easy yes for him. Jeff Green and Brook Lopez both took vet mins last year and are superior players.

Aminu at $8 mil is just an example. If we can't afford him, then go for someone cheaper like Demarre Caroll, Ariza, Vonleh, etc.

The point is we would still have space to build a roster around Ben/Embiid/DLO/Harris. I know you get off on taking your job too seriously and critiquing every post related to the cap but maybe you could take a less literal/rigid approach when reading possible scenarios?

What job do I take too seriously? You posted your opinion, I responded that I thought it was unrealistic. Get over yourself or learn to take feedback to your proposals.


Maybe you're the one that needs to get over yourself by not thinking your "feedback" or opinions are most realistic than everyone else's?
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