Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread

[doclinkin]

I’ve been on board for Vonleh for a while. So that’s a yes vote for me.

[FAH1223]

Satoransky at 3 years $24 to $30 million is a hard pass for me. At 28 He doesn't really factor for the teams future at all and isn't nearly good enough to warrant that kind of financial commitment.

His reputation as a good defender feels undeserved and despite producing efficiently on offense, he's a safe player on that end whose lack of aggression hamstrings the offense.

With Grunfeld out of the way I hope the Wizards are done trying to sell the Porter trade as anything but a salary dump. I want no part of Portis and I don't care for the Wizards to be the third team that has its hopes for Parker finally turning out go up in flames.

I’d rather keep Sato at MLE money. We have his bird rights.

There’s no other PG on the roster and these young guys having a veteran who has a high IQ will help them.

[Rafael122]

Satoransky at 3 years $24 to $30 million is a hard pass for me. At 28 He doesn't really factor for the teams future at all and isn't nearly good enough to warrant that kind of financial commitment.

His reputation as a good defender feels undeserved and despite producing efficiently on offense, he's a safe player on that end whose lack of aggression hamstrings the offense.

With Grunfeld out of the way I hope the Wizards are done trying to sell the Porter trade as anything but a salary dump. I want no part of Portis and I don't care for the Wizards to be the third team that has its hopes for Parker finally turning out go up in flames.

I’d rather keep Sato at MLE money. We have his bird rights.

There’s no other PG on the roster and these young guys having a veteran who has a high IQ will help them.

MLE money is like $9 million a year. If it was the old MLE, sure.

[pcbothwel]

I’ve been on board for Vonleh for a while. So that’s a yes vote for me.

Same... but I doubt it. He is really a C, not a PF. So we dont have the positional need and I think NYK strikes out on the 2nd star and probably brings Vonleh back.

I bring back Sato & Bryant, offer QO to Portis but expect him to leave.
I offer the full MLE to Lamb and try to bring back Parker for 10M> per...or Jeff Green if that fails

Sato / Robinson / (WALL)
Beal / Brown
Lamb / Brown / Admiral
Rui / Green / Admiral
Bryant / Howard / Ian

*** Look to trade Howard if hes healthy

[doclinkin]

*** Look to trade Howard if hes healthy

Healthy or not Howard can be a significant trade asset after the all star break. That’s a large expiring contract for teams trying to dump money. Yes we need cap space too. But if teams offer significant assets or we step into a three team trade we may use his spot to pick up players and picks. Ditto Mahinni. But he’s not a recovering allstar.

If healthy and playing well then teams headed to the grind of the post season will covet useful bigs. The Embiid effect is real. And we saw how useful Gasol was in defending against interior attackers. Even Giannis plays less well if there’s a defensive predator in the paint. When Boogie went down GSW were looking around for healthy bodies in the interior. A motivated and healthy Dwight in a contract year can put together some impressive performances and induce a bidding war for a team that needs a quick fix.

[badinage]

That's all.

Ok cool. So you promise you won’t [lanrbt] lament and bemoan that we could’ve had Clarke on these pages.

Because we really don’t need repetitive redundant repetion of the reprise of the refrain for paragraph after paragraph and page after page that we could have traded down, as though we didn’t get that and agree the first time. And the second time. And despite rephrasing. And general agreement. That it’s not a revolutionary thought. Yet again here comes another jeremiad on the topic. And oh how we will regret and so on and so on.

And then beating a joke into the ground and using the name of our new acquisition as the comical hammer to bludgeon that joke to death. And to scoff and sneer at posters who are momentarily enthusiastic at the addition of that player to our team. When as Wizards fans sometimes all we get is the promise of Hope in the off-season. Before reality of the regular season shows up with a punch to the nads of fandom.

Give it a rest. All agree. Trading down and landing two good players would be better. The team chose not to. Now I never want to hear about how good a player Brandon Clarke is or may be. And how you among all fans were right and all should have listened to you. We did. We heard you. Many have the same opinion. But it’s unpleasant to see the board drowned in a flood of that same opinion.

Did I say yet that it has become redundant? Or redundant? And also redundant?

A **** MEN

[Ruzious]

That's all.

Ok cool. So you promise you won’t [lanrbt] lament and bemoan that we could’ve had Clarke on these pages.

Because we really don’t need repetitive redundant repetion of the reprise of the refrain for paragraph after paragraph and page after page that we could have traded down, as though we didn’t get that and agree the first time. And the second time. And despite rephrasing. And general agreement. That it’s not a revolutionary thought. Yet again here comes another jeremiad on the topic. And oh how we will regret and so on and so on.

And then beating a joke into the ground and using the name of our new acquisition as the comical hammer to bludgeon that joke to death. And to scoff and sneer at posters who are momentarily enthusiastic at the addition of that player to our team. When as Wizards fans sometimes all we get is the promise of Hope in the off-season. Before reality of the regular season shows up with a punch to the nads of fandom.

Give it a rest. All agree. Trading down and landing two good players would be better. The team chose not to. Now I never want to hear about how good a player Brandon Clarke is or may be. And how you among all fans were right and all should have listened to you. We did. We heard you. Many have the same opinion. But it’s unpleasant to see the board drowned in a flood of that same opinion.

Did I say yet that it has become redundant? Or redundant? And also redundant?

A **** MEN

Good ****ing luck!

[Dat2U]

The shots against Pif are sort of the reason why I killed my own Idea of doing a Wizards blog. I would be far too negative, too angry and too 'I told you so'. And at that point it's just turns into a brutal exercise where I let out my frustrations which no one else deserves or wants to hear.

The Wizards don't create good feelings or natural optimism. I have to go to doc or other posters for that. Even then, it feels forced to me. Sorry I can't just buy in to the manure I'm being fed. Especially when it's the exact same **** for the last 16 years.

[JWizmentality]

That's all.

Ok cool. So you promise you won’t [lanrbt] lament and bemoan that we could’ve had Clarke on these pages.

Because we really don’t need repetitive redundant repetion of the reprise of the refrain for paragraph after paragraph and page after page that we could have traded down, as though we didn’t get that and agree the first time. And the second time. And despite rephrasing. And general agreement. That it’s not a revolutionary thought. Yet again here comes another jeremiad on the topic. And oh how we will regret and so on and so on.

And then beating a joke into the ground and using the name of our new acquisition as the comical hammer to bludgeon that joke to death. And to scoff and sneer at posters who are momentarily enthusiastic at the addition of that player to our team. When as Wizards fans sometimes all we get is the promise of Hope in the off-season. Before reality of the regular season shows up with a punch to the nads of fandom.

Give it a rest. All agree. Trading down and landing two good players would be better. The team chose not to. Now I never want to hear about how good a player Brandon Clarke is or may be. And how you among all fans were right and all should have listened to you. We did. We heard you. Many have the same opinion. But it’s unpleasant to see the board drowned in a flood of that same opinion.

Did I say yet that it has become redundant? Or redundant? And also redundant?

HOF post

[JWizmentality]

The shots against Pif are sort of the reason why I killed my own Idea of doing a Wizards blog. I would be far too negative, too angry and too 'I told you so'. And at that point it's just turns into a brutal exercise where I let out my frustrations which no one else deserves or wants to hear.

The Wizards don't create good feelings or natural optimism. I have to go to doc or other posters for that. Even then, it feels forced to me. Sorry I can't just buy in to the manure I'm being fed. Especially when it's the exact same **** for the last 16 years.

I disagree. PIF is a really really smart dude. But for some reason he seems very insecure which is a shame. Some posters here have gone on to have very successful blogs and not generate the type of antagonism PIF has.

nate is a good example. I'd punch him in the face on social issues but he's very level headed and respectful when it comes to basketball.

[nate33]

The shots against Pif are sort of the reason why I killed my own Idea of doing a Wizards blog. I would be far too negative, too angry and too 'I told you so'. And at that point it's just turns into a brutal exercise where I let out my frustrations which no one else deserves or wants to hear.

The Wizards don't create good feelings or natural optimism. I have to go to doc or other posters for that. Even then, it feels forced to me. Sorry I can't just buy in to the manure I'm being fed. Especially when it's the exact same **** for the last 16 years.

Dat2U, you have demonstrated your disagreement and frustration with the organization very eloquently without beating a dead horse. We know your opinion on Wizards' draft selections and we respect it a great deal.

It's not the same with PIF. I think doc is right that PIF has become so overzealous on the negativity that it is honestly making the board less enjoyable. Or at the very least, one's eyes glaze over PIF's posts and move down to the next one because we've heard him say the same thing over and over again. I tried to caution PIF about it. Doc is doing the same, in his much more colorful manner.

It's all good. We're all way too emotional about these things. Fan is short for fanatic after all.

[Ruzious]

Wizards fan is short for a beaten dead horse. We all are what we all are, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Mojo Amok]

That's if he gets an offer like that, that's one type of contract someone can offer him but they don't have to offer him that. But generally you don't count on those contracts coming up till some one does something desperate. But you can count a poison pill into that, that would make more than 2 years over 10 mill, in my answer. A 10 mill cap hit for him is where I start to get a bit worried. So yeah a poison pill contract might do it.

Well, using poison pill to mean "a big payout in the third and fourth year", I don't think that there's anything other than that which would dissuade Washington from bringing Bryant back. He's Gilbert Arenas rule, so opposing teams don't have much flexibility. The first two years paying out MLE money are unlikely to give the Wizards pause, so unless someone backloads it to an uncomfortable degree, he's a Wizard. If the Wizards don't like him at MLE money over two or more years, they really don't like him all that much.

The Nets are the traditional masters of infusing toxicity into offer sheets for restricted free agents, but short of backloading, I don't think there's that many dirty tricks in the bag. I see they worked some other chicanery with Otto, but it wouldn't be as big of a deal on a lower dollar figure deal:

The deal had the normal disincentives, a trade kicker of 15 percent and a player option in the final year. But in a bit of nastiness, the Nets added a requirement that called for whoever wound up with Porter would have to pay him half of each year’s salary by October 1. They hadn’t included that provision in any of the previous three.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/7/7/15932454/a-history-of-nets-offer-sheets-and-what-it-all-means

[doclinkin]

The shots against Pif are sort of the reason why I killed my own Idea of doing a Wizards blog. I would be far too negative, too angry and too 'I told you so'. And at that point it's just turns into a brutal exercise where I let out my frustrations which no one else deserves or wants to hear.

The Wizards don't create good feelings or natural optimism. I have to go to doc or other posters for that. Even then, it feels forced to me. Sorry I can't just buy in to the manure I'm being fed. Especially when it's the exact same **** for the last 16 years.

I think you ranting and scouting on a blog would be highly enjoyable. I think PIF would too. With an editor. Me too. With two editors. That’s why I show up here. Smart people who are fired up about a common interest. That interest being a kinda shxtty basketball team. And I agree with PIF. His frustrations just made him a convenient punching bag for my own frustrations when he’s busy trying to accelerate the Kubler Ross stages into the Anger phase while some of us are trying to stay stuck in the Denial process that has served us so well. If any of us were more highly evolved we woulda already grieved and moved on.

[Illuminaire]

See, I technically moved on, but I'm still here debating and posting. Whether that's because I love me and my ex-team's mutual friend circle (you all) or because I still enjoy hate-liking her instagram posts about drunk-dialing Masai during his post-championship engagement party....

Little of column A, little of column B.

[FAH1223]

Satoransky at 3 years $24 to $30 million is a hard pass for me. At 28 He doesn't really factor for the teams future at all and isn't nearly good enough to warrant that kind of financial commitment.

His reputation as a good defender feels undeserved and despite producing efficiently on offense, he's a safe player on that end whose lack of aggression hamstrings the offense.

With Grunfeld out of the way I hope the Wizards are done trying to sell the Porter trade as anything but a salary dump. I want no part of Portis and I don't care for the Wizards to be the third team that has its hopes for Parker finally turning out go up in flames.

I’d rather keep Sato at MLE money. We have his bird rights.

There’s no other PG on the roster and these young guys having a veteran who has a high IQ will help them.

MLE money is like $9 million a year. If it was the old MLE, sure.

I doubt he's getting a full MLE deal then. His qualifying offer is like $6M which would be a $3M raise to begin with.

4 year deal worth $27M-30M should be enough.

[nuposse04]

I’ve been on board for Vonleh for a while. So that’s a yes vote for me.

Same... but I doubt it. He is really a C, not a PF. So we dont have the positional need and I think NYK strikes out on the 2nd star and probably brings Vonleh back.

I bring back Sato & Bryant, offer QO to Portis but expect him to leave.
I offer the full MLE to Lamb and try to bring back Parker for 10M> per...or Jeff Green if that fails

Sato / Robinson / (WALL)
Beal / Brown
Lamb / Brown / Admiral
Rui / Green / Admiral
Bryant / Howard / Ian

*** Look to trade Howard if hes healthy

I think you could give him spot mins at the 4, maybe like 12 mins a game and then the rest at center split with Bryant in some capacity. He was horrible from 3 pt last year and with Bryant being a competent floor spacer vonleh and Bryant might work in the half court, possibly defense too... I still wonder if he will get priced too high for us though.

He also might benefit in playing with Beal and Sato, who are both probably better playmakers then anyone on the knicks roster.

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I’ve been on board for Vonleh for a while. So that’s a yes vote for me.

Same... but I doubt it. He is really a C, not a PF. So we dont have the positional need and I think NYK strikes out on the 2nd star and probably brings Vonleh back.

I bring back Sato & Bryant, offer QO to Portis but expect him to leave.
I offer the full MLE to Lamb and try to bring back Parker for 10M> per...or Jeff Green if that fails

Sato / Robinson / (WALL)
Beal / Brown
Lamb / Brown / Admiral
Rui / Green / Admiral
Bryant / Howard / Ian

*** Look to trade Howard if hes healthy

I think you could give him spot mins at the 4, maybe like 12 mins a game and then the rest at center split with Bryant in some capacity. He was horrible from 3 pt last year and with Bryant being a competent floor spacer vonleh and Bryant might work in the half court, possibly defense too... I still wonder if he will get priced too high for us though.

He also might benefit in playing with Beal and Sato, who are both probably better playmakers then anyone on the knicks roster.

At PF some UFA options include Holmes, Muscala, Looney. I'd love to get Holmes !

I can see Ariza (former Laker) and Green (former teammate of LeBron) both signing with the Lakers as they make a push for Championship.

[TGW]

The f***** Wizards have caused a serious case of PTSD among their fanbase. I'm not even mad at pif.

[payitforward]

“Lament”. Lol. Thanks just being redundant.

And my only promise is to try to keep this board interesting. Sometimes that means having an enjoyable dust up with a friend.



So long as you know I personally don’t take any of this personally.

I have no problem with dust-ups (duh... perhaps you already knew that? ). Sometimes the dust settles into a new understanding of something.

Lamenting & bemoaning don't get anything done, & they don't contribute to understanding. Then again, neither does fan loyalty of the kind that declares whatever was done by my team a great idea, b/c it was done by my team.

I'm excited for SL; I look forward to starting to get an idea of what Rui & Admiral can do. Not to mention Robinson &, above all, Garrison the Pale -- in his case, I want him to prove to Dat that he can prevent a chair from dunking on him.

Most important, however? Lets hire Danny Ferry (or someone) & throw a spine into this organization.