Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[smittybanton]

after we re-sign jimmy and tobias to five year deals, i feel this elton brand quote has marcus and markeiff morris all over it:

“We definitely need hard-nose players, shooting,” Brand said. “We want to add shooting. If you watch the playoffs, these are playoff-tested players … I don’t want to say names … but [the Sixers want] veteran-tested players, playoff-tested players that can take us over the edge with our talent.”

[AirP.]

Could Julius Randle be a good option to replace Butler? He should cost way less and maybe we could build a better overall roster? Randle, Harris and a Terence Ross/Jeremy Lamb/KCP type would surely be decent If Jimmy leaves? Could we afford that?

It's not just about replacing Butler with "outside shooting", it's about having that player who under pressure situations late in games can still make plays and create for himself and others. Sure, if you have enough talent you won't need a player like that "most" of the time in the regular season (and that wasn't needed in the 1st round this year), but as you get further in the playoffs that weakness will be exposed and Embiid has recognized this and that's why he's embraced Butler on the team because as dominate as Embiid is most of the game he understands he doesn't have the skillset at his size to get the ball and make sure he gets a solid shot off. B.Simmons is YEARS (if ever) from having a jumper from range to be the playmaker late in games that Philly needs to get to the finals. If Butler leaves Philly absolutely has to find someone they're going to put the ball in their hands and say, decide our fate with these next few possessions. A high-level player with the clutch gene is pretty hard to acquire at the NBA level.

Philly had a real shot at winning the title this year, the 76ers were the toughest out for the champions and if not for Embiid's sickness, Philly may have won the Championship this year. To me it's like this... why would you lessen your chances at winning a championship for the next 4-5 years to have a "possibly" larger window, ESPECIALLY when you have no idea on Embiid's long term health.

What's really interesting is how you got Butler. Thibodeau asked for B.Simmons which most of the world thought was ridiculous. Looking back at the season, had Simmons been traded for Butler, I wonder if Embiid and Butler with Covington and Saric in Simmons' place would have made Philly a stronger contender this year(and the next couple of years) and if Philly basically gave up a very good shot at the championship for the "larger window" to win a championship. Simmons is an incredible talent, just wonder if 2 solid pieces in place of a potential MVP player with a huge flaw in his game could have strengthened this team's shot at winning a championship. Building a team for the championship means getting all the essential pieces, not just as many high-level pieces you can get.

Without a clutch type playmaker like Butler this team doesn't even compete with Toronto this year, the 76ers almost beat them. At the very least, with Butler gone Philly has to find a player to hand the ball to at the end of playoff games to win, B.Simmons is nowhere near that player now or in the next few years.

[smittybanton]

The more I think about it, the more I like Capela backing up Embiid. True, it's like cutting a stick of butter with a machete. But we're the best team in the league with Embiid in the middle, and I'm not sure that changes if you replace jimmy and jj with eric gordon and terrence ross (mle). Then the second unit defense would be on point with Capela, instead of Boban or Greg Monroe or Amir or Bolden. If Zhaire and Bolden improve, while we also get a better backup point guard than TJ, we'd be absolutely unbeatable.

We'd never be anything like the -80 it was against Toronto. Joel can have all the rest he needs. Bottom line is with both Embiid and Capela, we'd have the best defense in the league for 48minutes by a long, long, long shot. The way Joel guards the wing and shoots, you could play them together for quick stretches if you wanted to completely demoralize opponents. Lol.

Gordon and Capela and picks might not be the worst deal in the world. Although I would not be as hopeful about those picks as other would, since I anticipate the Rockets would roll out CP3, Harden, Butler, PJ Tucker, and Nerlens Noel (MLE)

That's an awful big contract for a back-up center who can't play alongside Embiid as a 4.

This is true, except for Embiid being able to guard wings and shoot from outside like a four.

The Toronto Raptors exploited the Warriors' weakness inside, as I have been wanting the Sixers to concentrate on: our comparative advantage over the rest of the league. In addition to Kawhi and Siakam, who lots of Sixers fans would want to play five like they do with jonah bolden, the Raptors also went with a 25m center in Marc Gasol and a 21m center in Serge Ibaka. Those two rarely played together, hardly more than one would team up Joel and Capela.

Beyond that, the Sixers above any team in the league needs to spend more on a backup center because of Joel Embiid's health issues. With Capela, the #1 seed in the East is assured even with Joel taking numerous days off for load management. Like in real life, folks--especially young folks--don't want to buy insurance policies. The Sixers obviously need one, and you couldn't ask for one better than Capela.

Beyond that, the exorbitant price of our backup center would not cheapen an NBA Championship if the key to winning one is 48 minutes of defense from the five along with Ben Simmons and the rest of the crew. Again the premise begins with the Sixers having the best starting five in the league with Joel and a more cost effective starting lineup, which necessarily means we would be investing those savings elsewhere. The whimsical proposal here is to deploy that savings at the most important defensive position on the floor.

Not to mention, Capela's contract is smaller than other backup centers in the league of much lesser repute, and that it will represent a smaller percentage of the cap each year, and that he can be traded at any time because of the last two points.

Would Clint Capela like it, is it bound to happen? Probably not. But the idea that we would be paying a backup too much money, or that he can't play alongside embiid doesn't really move me if the Sixers are still the best team in the league notwithstanding.

I have no problem with the unorthodox if it is strategically sound.

[LloydFree]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

[Stanford]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

Hell yeah, I'd take that deal.

[Kobblehead]

Embiid, Harris and Gordon is a very compatible trio.

The thing is, does Eric or Tobi have step up ability to be a closer? Both seem more comfortable as supporting scorers.

Make an additional Simmons trade to get Jamal Murray, Devin Booker or Bradley Beal and then we'd really be in business.

[Tony Franciosa]

i'm fine w/ letting one guy walk..regardless of how it happens.

BUT

there has to be a good player coming into replace him and not a Wilson Chandler tier corpse.

I fear the latter w/ this FO

if one goes, I'm tempted to let them both/all go and just focus on filling out the roster around Ben/Jo with an incredibly deep team of solid vets - almost like what MIL did. they could roll 9-10 deep all the time without much dropoff.

[youngcrev]

The more I think about it, the more I like Capela backing up Embiid. True, it's like cutting a stick of butter with a machete. But we're the best team in the league with Embiid in the middle, and I'm not sure that changes if you replace jimmy and jj with eric gordon and terrence ross (mle). Then the second unit defense would be on point with Capela, instead of Boban or Greg Monroe or Amir or Bolden. If Zhaire and Bolden improve, while we also get a better backup point guard than TJ, we'd be absolutely unbeatable.

We'd never be anything like the -80 it was against Toronto. Joel can have all the rest he needs. Bottom line is with both Embiid and Capela, we'd have the best defense in the league for 48minutes by a long, long, long shot. The way Joel guards the wing and shoots, you could play them together for quick stretches if you wanted to completely demoralize opponents. Lol.

Gordon and Capela and picks might not be the worst deal in the world. Although I would not be as hopeful about those picks as other would, since I anticipate the Rockets would roll out CP3, Harden, Butler, PJ Tucker, and Nerlens Noel (MLE)

Too expensive, not big enough of a role to keep him happy, and really just not a very good fit with what we have in place. He's a rim running, pick and roll 5-man, and with Jimmy gone, we wouldn't have an effective pick and roll ball handler to pair him with

They'd be far better off sending him elsewhere for value.

[mhunt]

i'm fine w/ letting one guy walk..regardless of how it happens.

BUT

there has to be a good player coming into replace him and not a Wilson Chandler tier corpse.

I fear the latter w/ this FO

if one goes, I'm tempted to let them both/all go and just focus on filling out the roster around Ben/Jo with an incredibly deep team of solid vets - almost like what MIL did. they could roll 9-10 deep all the time without much dropoff.

if one goes, i'm really hoping they don't panic & overpaying the other...like giving harris the full 5 year max.

[ankle420breaker]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

If that were to happen and we re-sign Harris and Redick-- Where would that leave us in terms of remaining cap room? Would we have any $ beyond the MLE?

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[cool93]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

I don't think HOU would be willing to include Tucker, cause from all I've heard he is pretty much irreplaceable piece for their team chemistry.

[ankle420breaker]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

I don't think HOU would be willing to include Tucker, cause from all I've heard he is pretty much irreplaceable piece for their team chemistry.

Should be a dealbreaker for us if that's the case.

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[cool93]

Just listened to Dunc'd on Mock offseason podcast part 1. I feel like teams in NBA are generally dumber than those people who were making decisions there, and someone will throw the max at Butler & Harris. But I would be extatic if we got deals like the ones in the podcast - Butler & Harris both 150mln/4+1 PO, Redick 30/3.

[Kobblehead]

Do you really think P.J. Tucker would stand in the way of a team acquiring a star?

[LloydFree]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

If that were to happen and we re-sign Harris and Redick-- Where would that leave us in terms of remaining cap room? Would we have any $ beyond the MLE?

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There would be no room. But so what? You'd have your top 6 and you'd still have your exceptions.

[shlo]

The more I think about it, the more I like Capela backing up Embiid. True, it's like cutting a stick of butter with a machete. But we're the best team in the league with Embiid in the middle, and I'm not sure that changes if you replace jimmy and jj with eric gordon and terrence ross (mle). Then the second unit defense would be on point with Capela, instead of Boban or Greg Monroe or Amir or Bolden. If Zhaire and Bolden improve, while we also get a better backup point guard than TJ, we'd be absolutely unbeatable.

We'd never be anything like the -80 it was against Toronto. Joel can have all the rest he needs. Bottom line is with both Embiid and Capela, we'd have the best defense in the league for 48minutes by a long, long, long shot. The way Joel guards the wing and shoots, you could play them together for quick stretches if you wanted to completely demoralize opponents. Lol.

Gordon and Capela and picks might not be the worst deal in the world. Although I would not be as hopeful about those picks as other would, since I anticipate the Rockets would roll out CP3, Harden, Butler, PJ Tucker, and Nerlens Noel (MLE)

That's an awful big contract for a back-up center who can't play alongside Embiid as a 4.

This is true, except for Embiid being able to guard wings and shoot from outside like a four.

The Toronto Raptors exploited the Warriors' weakness inside, as I have been wanting the Sixers to concentrate on: our comparative advantage over the rest of the league. In addition to Kawhi and Siakam, who lots of Sixers fans would want to play five like they do with jonah bolden, the Raptors also went with a 25m center in Marc Gasol and a 21m center in Serge Ibaka. Those two rarely played together, hardly more than one would team up Joel and Capela.

Beyond that, the Sixers above any team in the league needs to spend more on a backup center because of Joel Embiid's health issues. With Capela, the #1 seed in the East is assured even with Joel taking numerous days off for load management. Like in real life, folks--especially young folks--don't want to buy insurance policies. The Sixers obviously need one, and you couldn't ask for one better than Capela.

Beyond that, the exorbitant price of our backup center would not cheapen an NBA Championship if the key to winning one is 48 minutes of defense from the five along with Ben Simmons and the rest of the crew. Again the premise begins with the Sixers having the best starting five in the league with Joel and a more cost effective starting lineup, which necessarily means we would be investing those savings elsewhere. The whimsical proposal here is to deploy that savings at the most important defensive position on the floor.

Not to mention, Capela's contract is smaller than other backup centers in the league of much lesser repute, and that it will represent a smaller percentage of the cap each year, and that he can be traded at any time because of the last two points.

Would Clint Capela like it, is it bound to happen? Probably not. But the idea that we would be paying a backup too much money, or that he can't play alongside embiid doesn't really move me if the Sixers are still the best team in the league notwithstanding.

I have no problem with the unorthodox if it is strategically sound.

Is Capela's contract really smaller than other backup centers? His numbers the next 4 years - $16.5M, $17.5M, $18.5M, $19.5M.

[sixers4real]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

How does the cap works if we can get this deal? I’m confused right now.
Why I ask is even if this trade is made, can we sign Russell or Brogdon AND then resign Harris Redick and Scott? Is that even possible?

[mhunt]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

i thought i read somewhere that gordon & tucker isn't quite enough salary for a butler s&t...they might have to throw in nene to make it work.

[Kobblehead]

Gordon, Tucker, Nene and 3 first rounders over a 6 year stretch.

If they say no, tell them to kick rocks and Jimmy will just go sign with a team with capspace.

[cool93]

PJ Tucker, Eric Gordon, a 1st in '20 and "22 and this is a win for the 76ers.

If that were to happen and we re-sign Harris and Redick-- Where would that leave us in terms of remaining cap room? Would we have any $ beyond the MLE?

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There would be no room. But so what? You'd have your top 6 and you'd still have your exceptions.

Simmons/Gordon/Harris/Tucker/Embiid with Redick as a 6th man. Who will be our closer in that lineup? Nothing good will come out from relying on Embiid in clutch. That's not a contender. So in that case I would demand 22,24 unprotected and 23 swap or let Jimmy go to team with cap space.