Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[thebuzzardman]

Sell me on this theory, I don't disagree, but just wondering if DSJr will be coming off the bench or can they play together?

Knicks core not that far from Nets core. Nets core edge in part due to some additional years, even if it's one season. Kyrie better than DLo. Even if it's a wash, where Nets youth > Knicks but Kyrie > DLo, Knicks could duplicate Nets record and eke out a playoff spot.

Argument against: Knicks don't have actively tanking counter part like the Knicks of last year to get free wins against.

It might be a borderline playoff team. Eking out a handful of close games that made the difference between 38 and 41 wins probably difference in 8th seed vs out of the playoffs

Who do the Nets need to renounce to get the room to sign the 2 FAs, and how does that core match up? That’s the question. I forgot the details

For the purposes of comparing the "cores", I was comparing what the 2019-20 Knicks core should\might be vs the Nets Core 2018-19

I'm not sure what the Nets need to get rid of the to get two max cats.

Obviously DLo for sure, unless he in one of them
I thought I saw Dinwiddie and Harris mentioned as needing to happen, but I'm not sure about that. That was on top of like 4 meaningless scrubs they'd cut as a given - but I thought it would have to get a little deeper to afford a Durant level guy - not sure of the implications of guys who "max" is lower

[iLLmatic860]

Looks like this thread is pissing off the Nets fans lmao

[SARGO127]

Looks like this thread is pissing off the Nets fans lmao

What net fans?

[Knick4Real]

Looks like this thread is pissing off the Nets fans lmao

What net fans?

Oh, come on. The Nets have fans. I just thought they both usually sleep in until 12??

[BBALLER4FR]

So what would you be willing to trade to GS if Durant wants the sign & trade?

knox, dsjr and trier. that's it.

Not a chance. Trier, Frank and DSJr is as high as I'd go. Knox is either staying or being traded for a player we can use next season. 3 young productive players for a guy who, as great as he's been, is causing us to repeat the Melo situation again, will be sitting out all of next year and will be 32 when he returns? Nah, they can take Frank and be thankful we're parting with 2 young scorers when we could just outright sign him, if this was his preference anyway.

[Billy Goat]

So what would you be willing to trade to GS if Durant wants the sign & trade?

knox, dsjr and trier. that's it.

Not a chance. Trier, Frank and DSJr is as high as I'd go. Knox is either staying or being traded for a player we can use next season. 3 young productive players for a guy who, as great as he's been, is causing us to repeat the Melo situation again, will be sitting out all of next year and will be 32 when he returns? Nah, they can take Frank and be thankful we're parting with 2 young scorers when we could just outright sign him, if this was his preference anyway.

the problem with the Melo trade wasnt necessarily the assets given up it was the fact that Melo wasnt that good.

Trier, DS JR and Knox for Kevin Durant is an lol no brainer.

[Knick4Real]

So, ignoring all the rumors lately, what if the original rumor holds true, about KD and Kyrie.

What is the Knicks record first year with Kyrie only and what are the team's prospects moving forward?

Vague list of pluses and minuses

Pluses
Solves PG for the next 4 years
True scoring and passing all star to have some offensive gravity yet involve teammates while the kids develop
KD rehabs for a year
Playoff team in the crap east, probably 7th or 8th seed, ultimately decided by a few wins or losses. 40-42 wins
Team retains all current youth and picks moving forward
*theoretical plus - KD comes back in a year and is somewhere between fading Melo, Tobias Harris to completely recovered

Minuses
Team is now capped out for 4 years for likely middling playoff team - 7/8 if KD stays hurt and kids don't develop, 6/7 if KD stays hurt but kids develop, 5/6 if KD comes back as fading Melo, 1-2 (in east) if KD comes back good as new (highly unlikely)

Kyrie could suck all the enthusiasm out of the locker room

KD never recovers, at all. 4 years of a 40 million dollar anchor

Knicks picks immediately drop in the draft, most noticeably next season - theoretical gap largest between "all kids and 1 year vets" vs "with Kyrie", gap closes somewhat vs next 3 years where kids might develop, or trades or other FA could have happened

Hard to make moves to improve the team, other than managing the shuffle of drafted players off and on the team - ie, Frank or DSJr or Knox or Trier out, other players in etc

There's another major plus to KD coming here: CREDIBILITY!

For more than a decade, top stars have been fearful to come to the KNICKS for a variety of reasons. So, when a superstar of KD's caliber shows that he's willing to be that pioneer and come to MSG, other stars will likely be willing to follow in the future. IMO his presence alone on the team, injured or not, provides franchise relevance -- at least to other NBA players.

[KnickswayGene]

When can a Durant sign and trade be executed?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Anything note worthy happen?

[BBALLER4FR]

So, ignoring all the rumors lately, what if the original rumor holds true, about KD and Kyrie.

What is the Knicks record first year with Kyrie only and what are the team's prospects moving forward?

Vague list of pluses and minuses

Pluses
Solves PG for the next 4 years
True scoring and passing all star to have some offensive gravity yet involve teammates while the kids develop
KD rehabs for a year
Playoff team in the crap east, probably 7th or 8th seed, ultimately decided by a few wins or losses. 40-42 wins
Team retains all current youth and picks moving forward
*theoretical plus - KD comes back in a year and is somewhere between fading Melo, Tobias Harris to completely recovered

Minuses
Team is now capped out for 4 years for likely middling playoff team - 7/8 if KD stays hurt and kids don't develop, 6/7 if KD stays hurt but kids develop, 5/6 if KD comes back as fading Melo, 1-2 (in east) if KD comes back good as new (highly unlikely)

Kyrie could suck all the enthusiasm out of the locker room

KD never recovers, at all. 4 years of a 40 million dollar anchor

Knicks picks immediately drop in the draft, most noticeably next season - theoretical gap largest between "all kids and 1 year vets" vs "with Kyrie", gap closes somewhat vs next 3 years where kids might develop, or trades or other FA could have happened

Hard to make moves to improve the team, other than managing the shuffle of drafted players off and on the team - ie, Frank or DSJr or Knox or Trier out, other players in etc

This would not be true here. Locker room turmoil was expected when you return to a team that overachieved without you and their young star begins to feel who he is. There is no such scenario here. We just came off of the worst record in the league and every player here as something to learn. This situation is uniquely built for Kyrie. In fact, I'd prefer it to hoping DSJr becomes a true PG and a leader. I'd be THRILLED with Kyrie leading this team until KD got healthy.

[VCBC]

Healthy KD and Kyrie wanted to come play w the kids, now injured KD and Kyrie want to play w the kids.

It was all about AD...

[Handledatruth]

knox, dsjr and trier. that's it.

Not a chance. Trier, Frank and DSJr is as high as I'd go. Knox is either staying or being traded for a player we can use next season. 3 young productive players for a guy who, as great as he's been, is causing us to repeat the Melo situation again, will be sitting out all of next year and will be 32 when he returns? Nah, they can take Frank and be thankful we're parting with 2 young scorers when we could just outright sign him, if this was his preference anyway.

the problem with the Melo trade wasnt necessarily the assets given up it was the fact that Melo wasnt that good.

Trier, DS JR and Knox for Kevin Durant is an lol no brainer.

Ever see Durant carry a team to the Finals without another future Hall of Famer on his team? Just because you prefer his style of play over Melo does not make this scenario any different. As a matter of fact, the injury makes it worse.

[BeagleBoss]

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This has to be the most annoying franchise! Dumbest thing they ever did was keep the 'Nets' name. They should have changed it to something else when they moved to Brooklyn cause I still see them as the New Jersey Nets aka the swamp dumpster franchise. I have never seen a 43 win team act so arrogant. You'd think they were on the verge of a dynasty! I mean, they have some nice ok players but nobody on their current roster is a future HOFer and even with Kyrie and Ingles, er, achilles torn KD, they aren't a shoe-in for a title.

But truthfully, having the Nets become popular wouldn't be the worst thing. It might get the annoying media off our back and it might move Dolan towards leaving or dying.

[Handledatruth]

For me, at this point it’s either take your shot at Kwahi or surround RJ with players that can maximize his talent. This KD and Kyrie talk just for so called “credibility” is trash.

[DOT]

Knicks core not that far from Nets core. Nets core edge in part due to some additional years, even if it's one season. Kyrie better than DLo. Even if it's a wash, where Nets youth > Knicks but Kyrie > DLo, Knicks could duplicate Nets record and eke out a playoff spot.

Argument against: Knicks don't have actively tanking counter part like the Knicks of last year to get free wins against.

It might be a borderline playoff team. Eking out a handful of close games that made the difference between 38 and 41 wins probably difference in 8th seed vs out of the playoffs

Who do the Nets need to renounce to get the room to sign the 2 FAs, and how does that core match up? That’s the question. I forgot the details

For the purposes of comparing the "cores", I was comparing what the 2019-20 Knicks core should\might be vs the Nets Core 2018-19

I'm not sure what the Nets need to get rid of the to get two max cats.

Obviously DLo for sure, unless he in one of them
I thought I saw Dinwiddie and Harris mentioned as needing to happen, but I'm not sure about that. That was on top of like 4 meaningless scrubs they'd cut as a given - but I thought it would have to get a little deeper to afford a Durant level guy - not sure of the implications of guys who "max" is lower

If they renounce everyone (DLo, RHJ being the only notable FAs), they have about 67 mil in cap space, just need to clear like 2 or 3 mil to get KD and a 30% max cat, or if they're doing two 30%s, they have the space

I always said this about the Nets is, their guys are better now than ours (obviously), and Atkinso is a better coach, but we have more potential, especially now that RJ is here, and doubly so next year if we get another top 5 pick. They just didn't have the top end talent, they are a treadmill team. A young treadmill, but still a treadmill. If they get Kyrie and a non-KD/Kawhi max player, that kind of fixes the problem of top end talent, but I don't think it's enough to get them over the hump. Health permitting, they're gonna be a consistent playoff team with regular visits to the 2nd round, but not championship level

Now obviously, we could easily be the next Wolves, where our young guys don't pan out or we hold on to the wrong ones, but I'd rather be us than Brooklyn

[Handledatruth]

Who do the Nets need to renounce to get the room to sign the 2 FAs, and how does that core match up? That’s the question. I forgot the details

For the purposes of comparing the "cores", I was comparing what the 2019-20 Knicks core should\might be vs the Nets Core 2018-19

I'm not sure what the Nets need to get rid of the to get two max cats.

Obviously DLo for sure, unless he in one of them
I thought I saw Dinwiddie and Harris mentioned as needing to happen, but I'm not sure about that. That was on top of like 4 meaningless scrubs they'd cut as a given - but I thought it would have to get a little deeper to afford a Durant level guy - not sure of the implications of guys who "max" is lower

If they renounce everyone (DLo, RHJ being the only notable FAs), they have about 67 mil in cap space, just need to clear like 2 or 3 mil to get KD and a 30% max cat, or if they're doing two 30%s, they have the space

I always said this about the Nets is, their guys are better now than ours (obviously), and Atkinso is a better coach, but we have more potential, especially now that RJ is here, and doubly so next year if we get another top 5 pick. They just didn't have the top end talent, they are a treadmill team. A young treadmill, but still a treadmill. If they get Kyrie and a non-KD/Kawhi max player, that kind of fixes the problem of top end talent, but I don't think it's enough to get them over the hump. Health permitting, they're gonna be a consistent playoff team with regular visits to the 2nd round, but not championship level

Now obviously, we could easily be the next Wolves, where our young guys don't pan out or we hold on to the wrong ones, but I'd rather be us than Brooklyn

This!

[sol537]

Maybe Kawhi & Kemba would be the best tandem we could get this off-season. They pair well together on paper. I think most everyone would prefer that pairing 100x over Durant-Kyrie.

[Apples]

Sounds like:

Durant/Irving = Knicks

Or

Durant/Irving = Nets

Or

Durant = Knicks
Irving = Nets

[F N 11]

If Jimmy Butler/Harris gets a max that team will regret it. Trust me.

[amsterdamknicks]

Please continue to build the right way.

No injured KD (seriously amazed how people can even consider this)
No Kyrie
No 2nd tier FA

Develop the youth, collect assets and be patient.