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I'm pretty sure the Rockets want to send out Capela + Gordon and keep Tucker in any Butler deal. That helps them with reducing salary, as otherwise they'll be perilously close to the hard cap and will prob need to fill out their entire roster with young cheap vet mins.
Plus they seem to think they can get DeAndre Jordan for the Room Exception to be their new Center. So it makes no sense for them to waste $16M/yr on a non-difference maker in Capela at that position.
Plus they seem to think they can get DeAndre Jordan for the Room Exception to be their new Center. So it makes no sense for them to waste $16M/yr on a non-difference maker in Capela at that position.
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If Butler and the 76ers were open to the trade scenario -- and there's yet to be a formal indication the team or Butler are interested --
LOL at woj...so what we're talking about?
LOL at woj...so what we're talking about?
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VDT wrote:It is very difficult imo to find an acceptable sign and trade because both teams have the same aim, to contend. To make such a trade worthwhile for the Sixers they need something that helps them more than Butler to win the title. But it defeats the purpose for Houston to do something like that, they are trying to win themselves.
Exceptions here are if the Sixers dont value Butler very highly, or at least much less than Houston or if there is a third team that can sign (or sign and trade) Butler and he doesnt care about the 5th year.
Perhaps Sixers would be ok with sign and trade because they see more options on the free agent market. If the Sixers lose Butler, they won't find another player like him, but there are other free agents that would be ok. It seems like Houston is locked in to Butler, where Philly has options if Butler leaves. If this sign and trade goes down, which I don't think it will, Philly will be smart just to get some first rounder picks from Houston and fill Butler's cap space with other free agents.
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Arsenal wrote:I'm pretty sure the Rockets want to send out Capela + Gordon and keep Tucker in any Butler deal. That helps them with reducing salary, as otherwise they'll be perilously close to the hard cap and will prob need to fill out their entire roster with young cheap vet mins.
Plus they seem to think they can get DeAndre Jordan for the Room Exception to be their new Center. So it makes no sense for them to waste $16M/yr on a non-difference maker in Capela at that position.
I'm sure they want a lot of things. And that's not our problem
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kriss73 wrote:If Butler and the 76ers were open to the trade scenario -- and there's yet to be a formal indication the team or Butler are interested --
LOL at woj...so what we're talking about?
It's not woj, it's daryl morey
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kriss73 wrote:If Butler and the 76ers were open to the trade scenario -- and there's yet to be a formal indication the team or Butler are interested --
LOL at woj...so what we're talking about?
Because the Sixers aren’t viewed as a big market elite team even though they are, so national reporters tend to push the narrative and agenda of the Warriors, Lakers, Rockets, etc.
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nitocobola wrote:kriss73 wrote:If Butler and the 76ers were open to the trade scenario -- and there's yet to be a formal indication the team or Butler are interested --
LOL at woj...so what we're talking about?
It's not woj, it's daryl morey
It's genius. Blowing up the squad because it cant go any further by pretending to their season ticket holders that they're clearing cap space for an imaginary sign and trade. Rockets want those picks to rebuild, not to give them to us at all. Fun to think about, though.
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Morey is low-key gonna get fired in a year or two.
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Man Morey is one thirsty slut and WOJ is carrying all the water for him.
They say an analytics man doesn't have a heart, but I ran the numbers and nothing can be further from the truth - Sam Hinkie probably
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My official free agency prediction: We will bring everyone back, but fail to land significant bench pieces because other teams will offer more money and/or more playing time and the potential to crack a starting lineup. So it won't be disaster scenario, but won't be best case either. We head into the season with a loaded starting lineup, but a nothing bench yet again.
Hope we can at least lure a Collison or Hill with someone like Vonleh.
Hope we can at least lure a Collison or Hill with someone like Vonleh.
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I remember Capela playing a little PF. If he could play 10 minutes with Embiid, i'd take him because this team needs more bigs anyway.
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i predict/want jimmy and tobias to sign day one. 5yrs max is a goldmine for each. no reason to delay.
i would offer the morris twins identical 3/12m deals, but give them only 24 hours to accept them, or we move on to wilson chandler and deandre jordan (kind of bluffing, but not really).
i would spend the rest of the time wooing tomas satoransky, but begging him to hold off on announcing our deal until the wizards re-sign one or two of their other players first.
jj and mike scott will get done, but i would take my time. i don't think jjs market will be as hot as some believe, because the same playoff limitations that hamstrung him with the clippers appeared again this past year. getting satoransky aboard first (40% 3pt) would give us some leverage. besides all that, neither will get enough from another team to 'justify' missing out on a championship ring.
i don't mention it, but i'll bet we re-sign tj mcconnell to a one year-minimum salary deal. there's just too many point guards on the market for him to get a significant deal elsewhere, i believe.
i would offer the morris twins identical 3/12m deals, but give them only 24 hours to accept them, or we move on to wilson chandler and deandre jordan (kind of bluffing, but not really).
i would spend the rest of the time wooing tomas satoransky, but begging him to hold off on announcing our deal until the wizards re-sign one or two of their other players first.
jj and mike scott will get done, but i would take my time. i don't think jjs market will be as hot as some believe, because the same playoff limitations that hamstrung him with the clippers appeared again this past year. getting satoransky aboard first (40% 3pt) would give us some leverage. besides all that, neither will get enough from another team to 'justify' missing out on a championship ring.
i don't mention it, but i'll bet we re-sign tj mcconnell to a one year-minimum salary deal. there's just too many point guards on the market for him to get a significant deal elsewhere, i believe.
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I'm positive Jimmy is coming back. Rockets chatter is noise and a desperate attempt by Morey to see if he can pull off a miracle. 5 years $190m. I think Tobias will be back also. But I think they try to get him for 5 years (because he's only 26) and a little less than the max. We'll see if it works. I don't think JJ is back unless he takes a hometown discount. I doubt he takes one honestly though, given that he almost left last year when we didn't come to the table with what he wanted. I think we'd be the perfect team for him to retire with though. We're so big we can cover up alot of his defensive flaws, his shooting is important so he still has a big role, and now we'll have Zhaire and Mattise to give him rest now that he's 35.
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Okay, let's get back to something realistic. See here:
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=4607166325d1407df41e8e830599428
Let's assume we sign both Butler and Harris to the MAX, Redick to 2/$20M, and split the entire MLE for two guys (I'm assuming Brook Lopez and George Hill).
We sign back Mike Scott and James Ennis to 1 year vet mins. And sign Thybulle to the standard top of slot rookie deal.
We are at $130.5M for 12 players under contract, about $1.5M under the projected luxury tax line of $132M. I believe we can sign Shake Milton and Marial Shayok for $800K each, which brings us up to $132.1M for 14 players under contract.
Then hopefully the tax line ends up just above that total.
Overall, it's super tight to make it under the tax. It would help tremendously if Redick, Butler and Harris collectively take about $5M less in the 1st year than I've projected here. Maybe that means Tobias takes $3M less and Redick takes $2M less, as I don't see Butler taking any kind of discount.
That extra breathing room could allow us to get one more player w/the BAE as our 15th man.
http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=4607166325d1407df41e8e830599428
Let's assume we sign both Butler and Harris to the MAX, Redick to 2/$20M, and split the entire MLE for two guys (I'm assuming Brook Lopez and George Hill).
We sign back Mike Scott and James Ennis to 1 year vet mins. And sign Thybulle to the standard top of slot rookie deal.
We are at $130.5M for 12 players under contract, about $1.5M under the projected luxury tax line of $132M. I believe we can sign Shake Milton and Marial Shayok for $800K each, which brings us up to $132.1M for 14 players under contract.
Then hopefully the tax line ends up just above that total.
Overall, it's super tight to make it under the tax. It would help tremendously if Redick, Butler and Harris collectively take about $5M less in the 1st year than I've projected here. Maybe that means Tobias takes $3M less and Redick takes $2M less, as I don't see Butler taking any kind of discount.
That extra breathing room could allow us to get one more player w/the BAE as our 15th man.
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Sixersftw wrote:Man Morey is one thirsty slut and WOJ is carrying all the water for him.
Or... the 76ers leaked the information 1st, because they don't want to pay Butler and they want the fans to believe it was all Jimmy Butler's decision to force a trade to Houston, so the fans won't be surprised or angry.
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Considering we are going to have be creative to add talent to fill out the roster.... I wonder if Isaiah Thomas is someone we could add via the Veteran min, on a 1 year "prove it" deal, and allow him to be the scoring PG off the bench surrounded by athletic defensive minded players.
At this point, im just brainstorming out loud, but we are certainly going to need some type of "scorer" off the bench next to guys like Zhaire/Thybulle.
Maybe Shake makes an impact.
At this point, im just brainstorming out loud, but we are certainly going to need some type of "scorer" off the bench next to guys like Zhaire/Thybulle.
Maybe Shake makes an impact.
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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PhilasFinest wrote:Considering we are going to have be creative to add talent to fill out the roster.... I wonder if Isaiah Thomas is someone we could add via the Veteran min, on a 1 year "prove it" deal, and allow him to be the scoring PG off the bench surrounded by athletic defensive minded players.
At this point, im just brainstorming out loud, but we are certainly going to need some type of "scorer" off the bench.
He's totally cooked. Completely awful since coming back from injury. At his size he just couldn't afford to lose that step that he lost.
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Arsenal wrote:PhilasFinest wrote:Considering we are going to have be creative to add talent to fill out the roster.... I wonder if Isaiah Thomas is someone we could add via the Veteran min, on a 1 year "prove it" deal, and allow him to be the scoring PG off the bench surrounded by athletic defensive minded players.
At this point, im just brainstorming out loud, but we are certainly going to need some type of "scorer" off the bench.
He's totally cooked. Completely awful since coming back from injury. At his size he just couldn't afford to lose that step that he lost.
Gotcha. Hadn't seen him actually play in Denver
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .
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I'm interested in bringing in Air Canada Vince Carter for the vet min. He had a surprisingly good year last year (at age 42!) and is going to play 1 more year. Could be a nice bridge for one year until either Smith or Thybulle can solidify a spot in the rotation.
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Arsenal wrote:I'm interested in bringing in Air Canada Vince Carter for the vet min. He had a surprisingly good year last year (at age 42!) and is going to play 1 more year. Could be a nice bridge for one year until either Smith or Thybulle can solidify a spot in the rotation.
Hey, as a veteran min shooter, Why not?
SparksFly87 wrote:Towns got boat feet and gets off the ground very slow with a lack of explosiveness . He is a rich mans Henry Sims to me. No thanks .





