Offseason Thread: Sunday Funday can't come fast enough

[Clyde_Style]

Dominick Wilkins- you have no other "great" player that was 30 years old with the SAME body type- I'll wait Clyde
I love your posts and usually agree with you but I sense that we're about to get it in prepare yourself- i have some experience in this field my good buddy

Did Nique have fractured feet preceding their achilles? KD's feet, calves and now achilles are all issues now. He ain't right down there.

I'm not saying he won't be back and productive to some unknown degree, but you believing in that because Nique did it doesn't make it more probable when most players are significantly diminished by it.

You do realize we can't really debate this very much, because neither of us know how he'll turn out. You can argue probabilities which is what we may be doing now, but quite honestly I don't see how you can say the history of these injuries is favorable in his 30s by pointing to Nique who is an outlier case.

Guys with feet issues can end up with significant compensatory injuries and we don't know why KD was having calf issues and if they are related to structural support from the feet up, but his injury history is probably connected to the achilles now. That's why I'm skeptical of this belief in him. It is not a knock against his will to overcome. It is just a disbelief due to his physical issues from the soles of his feet up to his knee and he may never be close to what he was as a result.

You want to risk it on him?

Cool

Your prerogative and that's not something I want to debate. I simply don't think he is worth the risk after his prior injuries that may be structurally related and at his age.

If it comes down to a gut check instead of facts, I respect my gut and I'll respect your faith, but I will still call your conviction faith rather than certitude. You cannot be certain of his level of play when he returns. None of us can. You can believe in him if you wish to.

I want to have a discussion with you on this but I cant if you are going to compare average players to KD. Yes I said that because
KD is one of the best out of 400 plus players in this league...do you think that's fair? If so then we can get back to it

You can favor his chances of recovery because he's an elite player if you wish. I don't. Saying he's elite because of work ethic is not unfair to say. He is a big player so he will have access to the best treatment and recovery services so there's that.

It is still belief at the end of the day. We can debate the odds of success, but if you really believe it is going to happen I'm not going to try to discourage you any further.

What I will tell you is I'M DAMN TIRED OF THE NEW YORK KNICKS GOING ALL IN ON MAX CATS THAT ARE GOING TO BE WELL PAST THEIR PRIME DURING THEIR CONTRACT OR ARE INJURY PRONE PLAYERS.

I'm effing sick of it! That's my belief system talking

[thebuzzardman]

Lol basically Begley saying that Woj is the Nets mouthpiece.

He is.

When it comes to Nets related stuff or situations where "could be team X or the Nets", he always states the Nets case.

Either they are throwing him money under the table (something that has come up with Woj in some context) or their org is just very inclined to giving him information, which he reciprocates by extremely positive takes towards them, I'm not sure. But it's absolutely there.

[Stannis]

Spoiler:

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I don't like in NY. So somebody who does, enlighten me. During the playoffs, were their significant amount of people in Nets gear? Lot of fans at bars watching the games?

[Fat Kat]

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[Fat Kat]

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[GEOLINK]

KD is a huge risk. Probably a 40-60 gamble with 40% being the chance of it working out (ie where he's 80% of his old self for the last 2-3 years of his contract). I think we have to make the hard decision and pass on him despite whatever hush hush agreements they may have had with his agent. The conditions have changes.

There are other ways to build towards contention and we're in a great position.

That would put us in a bit of a bind then. Assuming the front office had serious discussions for months now just for them to back out of it due to his unfortunate injury.

Durant would tell all the players that we can’t be trusted, as in Perry/Mills.

[F N 11]

Lol Steven A and Woj getting destroyed.

[Jeff Van Gully]

a sobering account from another doc

https://nypost.com/2019/06/27/achilles-injury-return-stat-that-should-give-kevin-durant-suitors-pause/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

In explaining why Durant won’t be the same sniper in 2020-21, [Dr. Anish] Kadakia said it’s jumping and speed. The surgically repaired leg regains just 95 percent of the power of the healthy leg.

“When you shoot, you jump,” he said. “You’re [sic] jump is off because you don’t have as much power in one leg than the other. You play your whole career based on how much height and quick reaction you get when you want to shoot. Some can’t do that anymore, no longer able to push off like you were before.

“And speed is heavily affected, making the quick cut. You lose a little of that power, when you want to push off as hard as you want. An elite athlete losing 5 percent power makes big difference.’’

[Fat Kat]

Lol basically Begley saying that Woj is the Nets mouthpiece.

He is.

When it comes to Nets related stuff or situations where "could be team X or the Nets", he always states the Nets case.

Either they are throwing him money under the table (something that has come up with Woj in some context) or their org is just very inclined to giving him information, which he reciprocates by extremely positive takes towards them, I'm not sure. But it's absolutely there.

Quid pro quo. They feed him info in exchange for favorable press. That’s how Woj operates.

[thebuzzardman]

Lol basically Begley saying that Woj is the Nets mouthpiece.

Nice little Reddit expose piece about Woj that some of you might find interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c60ygg/why_it_is_fair_to_think_that_adrian_wojnarowski/

Thanks for this. This is one of things around Woj. I'll see if I can find the rumor about actual $.

This is NOT that, but more ammo about how "Woj" operates

https://deadspin.com/espns-adrian-wojnarowski-is-now-a-corporate-shill-for-a-1835693595

[aq_ua]

guys take it from me please...I was with a good friend of mine who ruptured their achilles. I took care of them until they could walk again and its not what you think its is...I had extensive conversations with their doctor...
First of all, do you have any idea how strong that tendon is? You have to view this differently...when my friend had the surgery
the doctor did over 300 stitches...Let that sink in guys 300...I know he looks weak hoping around like that
but it's only because it needs to heal first-before he can put weight on it. Wait till he tries to put pressure on that foot for the first time- he will probably think he's never going to play again...all of this worry is "mental". It's about what KD's idea of this injury is
-what our idea of this injury is-when the bottom line is- he didn't get his foot amputated- he can come back from this-but he has to
believe it and go through the grind of it and complete the process with the discipline and repetition- something my friend could not do...

Look the reason that I believe KD can come back strong from this- is because another great player did it (Dominick Wilkins) and I believe
KD has the mental make up to believe that he can do it and the mental male up to put the work in! He's done it all his life...

Thats all it takes to get almost anything you want accomplish -PERIOD!

He doesnt even have the mental make up to ignore social media trolls

KD will be hounded by the media types whenever he steps out in public, and they'll be watching and filming his every move (or non-move) in his recovery. The mental pressure is going to be immense.

Do we just ignore the fact that KD has won 2 finals MVPs which probably speaks a little to his mental strength and endurance under immense pressure? We’re not talking about a child going through stage fright - this is a grown man that’s been able to drive himself so hard he’s become the best performer in the entire world. The mental issues seem a bit overblown.

[Jeff Van Gully]

KD is a huge risk. Probably a 40-60 gamble with 40% being the chance of it working out (ie where he's 80% of his old self for the last 2-3 years of his contract). I think we have to make the hard decision and pass on him despite whatever hush hush agreements they may have had with his agent. The conditions have changes.

There are other ways to build towards contention and we're in a great position.

That would put us in a bit of a bind then. Assuming the front office had serious discussions for months now just for them to back out of it due to his unfortunate injury.

Durant would tell all the players that we can’t be trusted, as in Perry/Mills.

i'm not comfortable assuming there was tampering. people can get wind of folks' thoughts without there having been elaborate promises. interest can be known and anecdotal. not saying it hasn't happened, but that's quite an assumption.

[Stannis]

their org is just very inclined to giving him information, which he reciprocates by extremely positive takes towards them, I'm not sure. But it's absolutely there.

It's this. It's obvious what organization/agents/GMs feed him info and who doesn't. Even though I don't like the Lakers, he does the same with them too.

[Clyde_Style]

Every
Speculation
Posing as
News

[GONYK]

a sobering account from another doc

https://nypost.com/2019/06/27/achilles-injury-return-stat-that-should-give-kevin-durant-suitors-pause/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

In explaining why Durant won’t be the same sniper in 2020-21, [Dr. Anish] Kadakia said it’s jumping and speed. The surgically repaired leg regains just 95 percent of the power of the healthy leg.

“When you shoot, you jump,” he said. “You’re [sic] jump is off because you don’t have as much power in one leg than the other. You play your whole career based on how much height and quick reaction you get when you want to shoot. Some can’t do that anymore, no longer able to push off like you were before.

“And speed is heavily affected, making the quick cut. You lose a little of that power, when you want to push off as hard as you want. An elite athlete losing 5 percent power makes big difference.’’

Yup.

Unfortunately, I think we're beyond this. He'll have the offer from us at 6:00:01.

It's just a matter of how close can he be. I'd still take 95% of KD.

[newyorker4ever]

Media-wise, it's a lose-lose for the Knicks. They sign Durant, they just signed an injured player. If they don't, they just got embarrassed by letting the Nets get him.

Probably true but there isn't many people out there saying they wouldn't still give KD a max deal even with the Achilles injury. So it's not like if he doesn't come back from this injury at least 85-90% of himself in say a year to a year and a half many people can come out with the i told you so crap.

[Jeff Van Gully]

He doesnt even have the mental make up to ignore social media trolls

KD will be hounded by the media types whenever he steps out in public, and they'll be watching and filming his every move (or non-move) in his recovery. The mental pressure is going to be immense.

Do we just ignore the fact that KD has won 2 finals MVPs which probably speaks a little to his mental strength and endurance under immense pressure? We’re not talking about a child going through stage fright - this is a grown man that’s been able to drive himself so hard he’s become the best performer in the entire world. The mental issues seem a bit overblown.

yeah. none of that stuff seems to impact his game. just his public persona.

we once had a star here who was quite hostile to the media and extremely guarded. he overachieved on the court in every possible way.

[thebuzzardman]

WOJ on Get Up!

- KD to the Nets is definitely not a “done deal”
- KD is making decision irrespective of Kyrie
- KD is going to make his decision taking into account his business and market

Duddeeeeee

Woj stakes out yet another position to salvage reputation when his initial opinions were wrong. Correctly counts on the stupidity and ease with which most sports fans (and face it, most Americans) can be easily distracted by the next thing up. And their laziness to not look up stuff that happened even 2 days ago, nor hold anyone account to it.

Basically, it's like the country has become R*tard Buddhist Nation. Always living in the now.

[GEOLINK]

KD is a huge risk. Probably a 40-60 gamble with 40% being the chance of it working out (ie where he's 80% of his old self for the last 2-3 years of his contract). I think we have to make the hard decision and pass on him despite whatever hush hush agreements they may have had with his agent. The conditions have changes.

There are other ways to build towards contention and we're in a great position.

That would put us in a bit of a bind then. Assuming the front office had serious discussions for months now just for them to back out of it due to his unfortunate injury.

Durant would tell all the players that we can’t be trusted, as in Perry/Mills.

i'm not comfortable assuming there was tampering. people can get wind of folks' thoughts without there having been elaborate promises. interest can be known and anecdotal. not saying it hasn't happened, but that's quite an assumption.

Dolan was “told” free agents are coming and that was in February? March? When he did that interview on the Michael Kay show.

I may have wrongly used the assumption word there as well.

[SelbyCobra]

Lol basically Begley saying that Woj is the Nets mouthpiece.

Nice little Reddit expose piece about Woj that some of you might find interesting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/c60ygg/why_it_is_fair_to_think_that_adrian_wojnarowski/

This is out-freaking-standing.