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Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#1161 » by EAS Law » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:04 pm

tiderulz wrote:SI doesnt like our free agency.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/which-team-was-the-most-clueless-during-nba-free-agency/ar-AAE23Fl?li=BBnba9I

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Orlando’s cap space has to go to someone, but the Magic’s continued stockpiling of bigs is downright confusing. Nikola Vucevic’s return may ultimately be for the best given Mo Bamba’s disastrous rookie year, though the Al-Farouq Aminu signing continues to grow Orlando’s glut of bigs. The open jumpers will be available far less often with D.J. Augustin instead of Damian Lillard. Pair Aminu and Vucevic with Bamba, Jonathan Isaac and Aaron Gordon, and Orlando’s roster construction remains among the league’s worst.

I’m sorry, Lillard was available to us? Lol I mean, please.
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Post#1162 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:10 pm

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tiderulz wrote:SI doesnt like our free agency.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/which-team-was-the-most-clueless-during-nba-free-agency/ar-AAE23Fl?li=BBnba9I

Michael Shapiro, Magic
Orlando’s cap space has to go to someone, but the Magic’s continued stockpiling of bigs is downright confusing. Nikola Vucevic’s return may ultimately be for the best given Mo Bamba’s disastrous rookie year, though the Al-Farouq Aminu signing continues to grow Orlando’s glut of bigs. The open jumpers will be available far less often with D.J. Augustin instead of Damian Lillard. Pair Aminu and Vucevic with Bamba, Jonathan Isaac and Aaron Gordon, and Orlando’s roster construction remains among the league’s worst.

I’m sorry, Lillard was available to us? Lol I mean, please.


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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#1163 » by SOUL » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:14 pm

Aminu post year 2 will be interesting, but he's very much needed this year regardless of our shooting issues
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Post#1164 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:15 pm

EAS Law wrote:
tiderulz wrote:SI doesnt like our free agency.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/which-team-was-the-most-clueless-during-nba-free-agency/ar-AAE23Fl?li=BBnba9I

Michael Shapiro, Magic
Orlando’s cap space has to go to someone, but the Magic’s continued stockpiling of bigs is downright confusing. Nikola Vucevic’s return may ultimately be for the best given Mo Bamba’s disastrous rookie year, though the Al-Farouq Aminu signing continues to grow Orlando’s glut of bigs. The open jumpers will be available far less often with D.J. Augustin instead of Damian Lillard. Pair Aminu and Vucevic with Bamba, Jonathan Isaac and Aaron Gordon, and Orlando’s roster construction remains among the league’s worst.

I’m sorry, Lillard was available to us? Lol I mean, please.

hes saying Aminu won't have as many open jumpers since he's going from playing with Lillard to DJ Agustin.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F 

Post#1165 » by EAS Law » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:20 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
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I’m sorry, Lillard was available to us? Lol I mean, please.

hes saying Aminu won't have as many open jumpers since he's going from playing with Lillard to DJ Agustin.

I see—I misinterpreted that.

I don’t disagree that our ultra-cautious approach seems to leave a lot to be desired, but I’ve been proven wrong in the past.
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Post#1168 » by zaymon » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:00 pm

Seems to me Isaac had a bunch of open threes during playoffs I dont see a reason why Aminu wont have open looks. Portland didnt have shooting on two starting positions last year. Nurkic is a non shooter and Harkless shot 27% from 3. And i love how media guys glut our forwards and centers together to create a false narrative. WE HAD A BIG NEED FOR A FORWARD. After Isaac got in foul trouble against Raptors we had to defend Siakam with Fournier. It was that bad.
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Post#1170 » by Message Boar » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:13 pm

Man, some writers seem to take 'glass completely empty' -approach to the Magic at all times, no matter what we do. I feel like that's been going on for years, at least since the Dwightmare (granted, things have not gone well). Sometimes I wonder if someone in the organization insulted a bunch of them somehow or something. Like they're holding some sort of grudge.

I remember some years ago the guys at CBS sports (and their eye on basketball podcast) would always hate on the Magic and there would be such joy in their voices when doing so.

Heck, just yesterday I was listening to a Raptors podcast (for Kawhi takes) and they started using the Magic as an example of a team that would never win a championship in their existence (along with the Grizzlies). Not in the next 10 years, or 20 years, but ever. And that the Raptors were above such teams on some fundamental level. I get that winning the 'ship can make you feel high and that they currently have a great GM and a healthy dose of luck. But I would argue that as a starting point Orlando is a much better location to build a winner than Toronto, along with a bunch of other NBA cities. Even if we're not in the blessed position of being a big/sexy market team, the good weather, no state tax and it not being in Canada and all all speak in our favor. Athletes, especially those who are more about family and settling down than hitting the night clubs, seem to enjoy being and living in the central Florida area. I mean we came close to signing Duncan, Hill and T-Mac in one summer while their finals MVP bolted after one year, immediately after winning the title, so what does that suggest?

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As for Aminu, he basically upgrades Jarell Martin's spot on the roster, improving our bench depth significantly and acting as insurance for any Gordon/Isaac injury (both have had their issues in the past). This Shapiro guy appears to be the clueless/shortsighted one. Even if I didn't love the move, writing "Orlando’s roster construction remains among the league’s worst" is just ridiculously hyperbolic.
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Post#1171 » by bargnanimvp » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:17 pm

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Post#1172 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jul 8, 2019 9:39 pm

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This is what many fans here don't understand. They think running a team is like playing NBA2k where pieces can be thrown about without abandon. Free Agents join teams that have a culture with owners/management that take care of and reward players. Why would any free agent sign with a team that will get rid of them as soon as they have a good season? That is akin to management not caring about any of their co-workers and getting rid of them once they show value.
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This is what many fans here don't understand. They think running a team is like playing NBA2k where pieces can be thrown about without abandon. Free Agents join teams that have a culture with owners/management that take care of and reward players. Why would any free agent sign with a team that will get rid of them as soon as they have a good season? That is akin to management not caring about any of their co-workers and getting rid of them once they show value.
I think there is still a point where you have to move on from players. By trading them, it could be a good thing at times. I remember Boston trading Pierce and KG, the Clippers trading Griffin, and Paul George traded to the Clippers, all good for the organization.

Moving on from players isn't always bad. Looking back if we kept Gortat and traded Dwight earlier to Brooklyn for the 5 picks that they were offering we might of built a championship team.

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Post#1175 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:19 pm

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This is what many fans here don't understand. They think running a team is like playing NBA2k where pieces can be thrown about without abandon. Free Agents join teams that have a culture with owners/management that take care of and reward players. Why would any free agent sign with a team that will get rid of them as soon as they have a good season? That is akin to management not caring about any of their co-workers and getting rid of them once they show value.
I think there is still a point where you have to move on from players. By trading them, it could be a good thing at times. I remember Boston trading Pierce and KG, the Clippers trading Griffin, and Paul George traded to the Clippers, all good for the organization.

Moving on from players isn't always bad. Looking back if we kept Gortat and traded Dwight earlier to Brooklyn for the 5 picks that they were offering we might of built a championship team.

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Difference there is Boston and Clippers could not grow any further. They had reached as far as they could go. Magic are still growing and developing. Plus, the Magic are not a big city like LA or Boston as a place free agents target. We have to be an organization that has a reputation of taking care of their players and employees. But, for all the years here where fans think of the Magic like a video game where players are just game tokens, the franchise has not acted like the way those types of fans think they should and probably will never treat employees that way.
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Post#1176 » by tiderulz » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:37 pm

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This is what many fans here don't understand. They think running a team is like playing NBA2k where pieces can be thrown about without abandon. Free Agents join teams that have a culture with owners/management that take care of and reward players. Why would any free agent sign with a team that will get rid of them as soon as they have a good season? That is akin to management not caring about any of their co-workers and getting rid of them once they show value.

Free agents go where the money is primarily. We have plenty of owners and management that have been horrible, and they still have signed players. Look for years with Sterling and the Clippers.
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Post#1177 » by ezzzp » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:06 pm

basketballRob wrote:I think there is still a point where you have to move on from players. By trading them, it could be a good thing at times. I remember Boston trading Pierce and KG, the Clippers trading Griffin, and Paul George traded to the Clippers, all good for the organization.

Moving on from players isn't always bad. Looking back if we kept Gortat and traded Dwight earlier to Brooklyn for the 5 picks that they were offering we might of built a championship team.


Paul Pierce was 36 and Kevin Garnett was 37 when Boston traded them.

The Clippers are based in Los Angeles, the undisputed most attractive NBA market on the planet. Cap space means something entirely different to an LA team than it does to an Orlando team. LA will ALWAYS attract free agents; Orlando has to be in contention (or right at edge of it) + have a solid infrastructural reputation before any top tier free agent even glances in this direction.

OKC didn't do it for the good of the franchise, they did it because PG forced his way out. They could either force a player to stay (which never works) or get what they could from forced situation. LAC made it easy because they sacrificed their next decade of drafts + Shai to get him, but unlike most other teams they had the luxury of doing that because their market is LA.

That Howard trade offer was in prior year before actual trade. The Magic did get several picks and young players. The scenario wouldn't have been much different. The Hennigan FO would have still been too inexperienced and reckless to handle it, they would have still failed to build the right infrastructure and a quality developmental context...that FO thought it could just game the system and skip steps; that's why they failed...having other picks wouldn't have fixed that.
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Post#1178 » by ezzzp » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:09 pm

tiderulz wrote:Free agents go where the money is primarily. We have plenty of owners and management that have been horrible, and they still have signed players. Look for years with Sterling and the Clippers.


Los Angeles is the most desirable free agency market in the NBA and it has been forever. LeBron went to a Laker franchise in total disarray with roster clearly years away...why? because its Los Angeles.
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Post#1180 » by OrlandoNed » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:39 pm

zaymon wrote:Seems to me Isaac had a bunch of open threes during playoffs I dont see a reason why Aminu wont have open looks. Portland didnt have shooting on two starting positions last year. Nurkic is a non shooter and Harkless shot 27% from 3. And i love how media guys glut our forwards and centers together to create a false narrative. WE HAD A BIG NEED FOR A FORWARD. After Isaac got in foul trouble against Raptors we had to defend Siakam with Fournier. It was that bad.

If we had a BIG need for a backup forward, then our need for a starting PG not named DJ Augustin must be HUGE.

It’s not creating a “false narrative” to point out that we are addressing a minor issue when we have a major issue that is still unresolved. It’s like fixing a leaky sink when your house is flooding.

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