Trade for Westbrook?

thesack12 · Post #641 » by **thesack12** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:31 pm

Pharaoh wrote:If I'm Presti I'm not dealing with Riley - I own some of is picks and wouldn't want to make those lesser assets

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This point is being a bit overblown by a lot of people.

Sure the 2021 pick is unprotected, so obviously OKC wants Miami to be as bad as possible.

However, the 2023 pick is lottery protected in 23, 24, 25 then unprotected in 26. We're talking about a pick conveying at least 4 years from now, at a time when Russ and Butler will both be 34 year old free agents. Who the hell knows what Miami will look like that far out, and the protections on the pick are pretty strong anyways.

ComboGuardCity · Post #642 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:49 pm

thesack12 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:If I'm Presti I'm not dealing with Riley - I own some of is picks and wouldn't want to make those lesser assets

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This point is being a bit overblown by a lot of people.

Sure the 2021 pick is unprotected, so obviously OKC wants Miami to be as bad as possible.

However, the 2023 pick is lottery protected in 23, 24, 25 then unprotected in 26. We're talking about a pick conveying at least 4 years from now, at a time when Russ and Butler will both be 34 year old free agents. Who the hell knows what Miami will look like that far out, and the protections on the pick are pretty strong anyways.

But that also means the Heat can’t give them any first round picks right?

DBC10 · Post #643 » by **DBC10** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:50 pm

thesack12 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:If I'm Presti I'm not dealing with Riley - I own some of is picks and wouldn't want to make those lesser assets

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This point is being a bit overblown by a lot of people.

Sure the 2021 pick is unprotected, so obviously OKC wants Miami to be as bad as possible.

However, the 2023 pick is lottery protected in 23, 24, 25 then unprotected in 26. We're talking about a pick conveying at least 4 years from now, at a time when Russ and Butler will both be 34 year old free agents. Who the hell knows what Miami will look like that far out, and the protections on the pick are pretty strong anyways.

There was an interesting tidbit (on BS podcast) that Riley could waive the protections on those picks as an extra sweetener if he should desire so. So he still has that one last trump card I believe.

Then they'd be really try hard to be Billy Kings Nets if it doesn't go their way.

Han Solo · Post #644 » by **Han Solo** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:57 pm

I think they are just using Miami to up other teams bids.

thesack12 · Post #645 » by **thesack12** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:01 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:If I'm Presti I'm not dealing with Riley - I own some of is picks and wouldn't want to make those lesser assets

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This point is being a bit overblown by a lot of people.

Sure the 2021 pick is unprotected, so obviously OKC wants Miami to be as bad as possible.

However, the 2023 pick is lottery protected in 23, 24, 25 then unprotected in 26. We're talking about a pick conveying at least 4 years from now, at a time when Russ and Butler will both be 34 year old free agents. Who the hell knows what Miami will look like that far out, and the protections on the pick are pretty strong anyways.

But that also means the Heat can’t give them any first round picks right?

There are ways to get around the Stepien rule. The easiest way is send them Tyler Herro, which in essence would be sending them a first round pick. They can also acquire FRP's elsewhere, which they could either send OKC's way or would free them up to send their own 2020, 2022, 2024 picks depending on what year the pick they acquired falls.

It might all be a moot point anyways if Woj and crew are correct in that Russ's contract lowers his value so much that OKC would be fortunate just to get cap relief for him.

thesack12 · Post #646 » by **thesack12** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:05 pm

DBC10 wrote:
thesack12 wrote:
Pharaoh wrote:If I'm Presti I'm not dealing with Riley - I own some of is picks and wouldn't want to make those lesser assets

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This point is being a bit overblown by a lot of people.

Sure the 2021 pick is unprotected, so obviously OKC wants Miami to be as bad as possible.

However, the 2023 pick is lottery protected in 23, 24, 25 then unprotected in 26. We're talking about a pick conveying at least 4 years from now, at a time when Russ and Butler will both be 34 year old free agents. Who the hell knows what Miami will look like that far out, and the protections on the pick are pretty strong anyways.

There was an interesting tidbit (on BS podcast) that Riley could waive the protections on those picks as an extra sweetener if he should desire so. So he still has that one last trump card I believe.

Then they'd be really try hard to be Billy Kings Nets if it doesn't go there way.

That is interesting, I hadn't thought of that angle. Just throws more water on the thought that OKC might not want to send Russ to Miami because they own their picks.

tradez401 · Post #647 » by **tradez401** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:16 pm

Han Solo wrote:I think they are just using Miami to up other teams bids.

thats wat it feels like becuz why would they trade russ to miami when they own their picks.

Post #648 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:35 pm

Han Solo wrote:I think they are just using Miami to up other teams bids.

Backwards.

Han Solo · Post #649 » by **Han Solo** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 3:38 pm

Snakebites wrote:
Han Solo wrote:I think they are just using Miami to up other teams bids.

Backwards.

Not backwards. They haven’t leaked any info on us. And you can bet Tom Gores is throwing the kitchen sink at them. Honestly don’t care if we get him. Would be fun but would probably cost us our future. I just don’t see him ending up in Miami. It’s going to be somewhere else.

Neptune · Post #650 » by **Neptune** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 4:19 pm

kellmellus50 wrote:
DBC10 wrote:
Neptune wrote:The wrong side of 30? Malcontent ball hog? Huh? Who would have known that Westbrook had so many people that disliked him. In addition, folks act like 30yrs old is ancient. Lol, this is crazy!

He's averaging the worst percentages of his career in FG% 3PT% and FT. If nearly every category is down besides the triple doubles, then that easily classifies as a decline. No team needs a ball dominant (31% usage) point guard shooting those numbers. The fit isn't there with Blake and it relegates Dre to a role he's never really played, which is boxing out to let Russ get his.

That's not even mentioning how overpaid he is thanks to his supermax. It'd be a way easy sell if it was just a straight max for a declining former MVP two years ago. But it's not, expecting him to play like he did two years ago is also unrealistic.

31 years old in November ,he's not getting any younger.

Our to window to compete with Griffin isn't getting any younger either. Like I said earlier, if we plan on keeping Griffin let's go all out to compete!

kellmellus50 · Post #651 » by **kellmellus50** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:24 pm

Tigers did the same thing went all out with high contracts now we have to wait for years till we get off the bottom of the league

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Neptune · Post #652 » by **Neptune** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:35 pm

If we lose out Westbrook by the Heat man! I'm going to be pissed!

ducler · Post #653 » by **ducler** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:37 pm

Neptune wrote:If we lose out Westbrook by the Heat man! I'm going to be pissed!

That would mean 8th seed for us as a ceiling

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Neptune · Post #654 » by **Neptune** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:22 pm

ducler wrote:
Neptune wrote:If we lose out Westbrook by the Heat man! I'm going to be pissed!
That would mean 8th seed for us as a ceiling

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Hell yeah! Basically no improvement from last season, no help in the starting lineup for Blake or Dre! Say it ain't so man!

pistons4ever · Post #655 » by **pistons4ever** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:31 pm

No improvement?
Morris >Leuer
Rose >Smith
Frazier>calderon
Snell >Robinson

kpt · Post #656 » by **kpt** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:59 pm

pistons4ever wrote:No improvement?
Morris >Leuer
Rose >Smith
Frazier>calderon
Snell >Robinson

It’s more snell < Bullock/Ellington

pistons4ever · Post #657 » by **pistons4ever** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:02 pm

Ellington will replaced by combi of Thomas/Kennard (more minutes)
Dont know what seed we will be...but If someone says that we are not a better and deeper team than last years has no idea

Neptune · Post #658 » by **Neptune** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:41 pm

pistons4ever wrote:Ellington will replaced by combi of Thomas/Kennard (more minutes)
Dont know what seed we will be...but If someone says that we are not a better and deeper team than last years has no idea

Yeah, I was talking about our starting lineup bro. In addition, I was talking about getting "star" quality help. Not players that will get us 3 more wins

ComboGuardCity · Post #659 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:47 pm

pistons4ever wrote:Ellington will replaced by combi of Thomas/Kennard (more minutes)
Dont know what seed we will be...but If someone says that we are not a better and deeper team than last years has no idea

Yeah but in current state and if Miami gets Russ, the top 9 also got better.

pistons4ever · Post #660 » by **pistons4ever** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:54 pm

what did you expect??leonard and kyrie for the minimum?some guys dont want russ, other want to trade for stars without value(beal for Kennard and picks...hahaha)

The reality is we had a Great offseason in our situation .....but we could have Curry beal leonard james and davis and some of us would be cry