Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 II: BIG as F

Post #1221 » by **Knightro** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:21 pm

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MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1222 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:23 pm

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If we don’t make the playoffs this year rofl

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1223 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:23 pm

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If we don’t make the playoffs this year and FO capped us for the next 4 rofl

ezzzp · Post #1224 » by **ezzzp** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:33 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote: Such a wasted pick...

What does this have to do with a wasted pick? the guy hasn't played in forever... I can swing this to make another narrative "The magic hire ups have realized they struck gold and had seen enough after 1 game... therefore they are holding Bamba out of the rest of the Summer league so he doesn't break the hearts of the rookies he face.... therefore.... he's sore and we are holding him out" If we really wanna make something out of nothing. lol

Struck gold so they gave another C 4 year 100M so said player can play 10-15 minutes off bench !!!

Dude looked GASSED in what 15 minutes of Summer League. If anything you’d think let’s continue to play him 15 minutes so he can try and get through the conditioning a little early. He’s sore off 15 minutes rofl that’s some weak ****. All that swole Bamba talk and buddy did nothing to help his legs

That's called player development. Having a high upside doesn't mean that a physically raw player miraculously skips the early development stages.

Fans that thought that Bamba was going to come in and be ready to start right away weren't paying attention to NBA reality. They were just committed to their own make believe narrative and desperation to confirm their anti-Vucevic bias.

The NBA reality for those type of physically raw players, is that it takes multiple seasons. The FO and coaching staff have stated that from day 1 and have continued to state that the entire process. Their actions are based on that reality.

Post #1225 » by **Knightro** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:47 pm

A lot of the optimism/pessimism towards Orlando really depends on which version of the Magic you believe to be the real team.

They were 17-24 in the first 41 games (34 win pace) and ranked 26th in ORTG, 13th in DTRG and 7th in DREB%
They were 25-16 in the final 41 games (50 win pace) and ranked 10th in ORTG, 4th in DRTG and 1st in DREB%

-Did Clifford's system need half a season to really take hold?

-Did the Magic take advantage of a much softer schedule/tanking teams in the 2nd half?

-With Clifford's reputation for squeezing every last ounce of blood from the stone, can the Magic rely on playing harder than other teams and continuing to beating up tankers in the 2nd half of the regular season every year?

-Would the Magic simply have played a lot better in the first half had Grant/Simmons/Bamba been replaced by Briscoe/Iwundu/Birch from the jump?

-How much value will continuity provide? In theory the Magic won't need much time to adjust to what Clifford wants them to do like they did last year.

-Can the Magic generally stay as healthy as they did a season ago?

It's all very interesting things to think about when you try and put together a possible ceiling and floor for this basketball team for next year.

ezzzp · Post #1226 » by **ezzzp** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:49 pm

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If we don’t make the playoffs this year and FO capped us for the next 4 rofl

A 42 win team that was one of the youngest teams in the NBA last season and 2nd youngest team in the playoffs.

But yea, lets just ignore that the core of the team is all under 23 and on rookie scale deals through those contracts. More than half the roster is under 26...did all those players suddenly freeze and somehow they just won't develop anymore?

I guess HP is desperate to find a click bait narrative today.

KillMonger · Post #1227 » by **KillMonger** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 6:57 pm

Ok so..... He plays 14 minutes one game, looked good offensively but was sucking wind. Has a day off, then gets held out of game 2, another day off then today gets ruled out of summer league all together because of soreness? I mean it's precautionary but man he's barely played and he's already having issues? Now I'm wondering if he can hold up going forward if he can't even handle 15 minutes in summer league? He isn't going to survive 2 a days when training camp rolls around.

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GelbeWand09 · Post #1228 » by **GelbeWand09** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:07 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Ok so..... He plays 14 minutes one game, looked good offensively but was sucking wind. Has a day off, then gets held out of game 2, another day off then today gets ruled out of summer league all together because of soreness? I mean it's precautionary but man he's barely played and he's already having issues? Now I'm wondering if he can hold up going forward if he can't even handle 15 minutes in summer league? He isn't going to survive 2 a days when training camp rolls around.

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Here was the same discussions & panic after Isaacs 1st season and even more after he had another foot injury at the beginning of his 2nd season. In the end he never missed a game again. But i admit, Bamba's future health in general, is more concerning to me.

basketballRob · Post #1229 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:11 pm

Solid Snake wrote:Ok so..... He plays 14 minutes one game, looked good offensively but was sucking wind. Has a day off, then gets held out of game 2, another day off then today gets ruled out of summer league all together because of soreness? I mean it's precautionary but man he's barely played and he's already having issues? Now I'm wondering if he can hold up going forward if he can't even handle 15 minutes in summer league? He isn't going to survive 2 a days when training camp rolls around.

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Watching his story on Instagram, he really hasn't been working out. Last night when other players were probably getting up shots, him and Markelle were up doing each others hair.

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yoyojw17 · Post #1230 » by **yoyojw17** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:15 pm

ezzzp wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:What does this have to do with a wasted pick? the guy hasn't played in forever... I can swing this to make another narrative "The magic hire ups have realized they struck gold and had seen enough after 1 game... therefore they are holding Bamba out of the rest of the Summer league so he doesn't break the hearts of the rookies he face.... therefore.... he's sore and we are holding him out" If we really wanna make something out of nothing. lol

Struck gold so they gave another C 4 year 100M so said player can play 10-15 minutes off bench !!!

Dude looked GASSED in what 15 minutes of Summer League. If anything you’d think let’s continue to play him 15 minutes so he can try and get through the conditioning a little early. He’s sore off 15 minutes rofl that’s some weak ****. All that swole Bamba talk and buddy did nothing to help his legs

That's called player development. Having a high upside doesn't mean that a physically raw player miraculously skips the early development stages.

Fans that thought that Bamba was going to come in and be ready to start right away weren't paying attention to NBA reality. They were just committed to their own make believe narrative and desperation to confirm their anti-Vucevic bias.

The NBA reality for those type of physically raw players, is that it takes multiple seasons. The FO and coaching staff have stated that from day 1 and have continued to state that the entire process. Their actions are based on that reality.

Which is what happened to Hassan Whiteside... and crap our own beloved Khem Birch. Both entered the league "slight" for their positions... and it wasn't till their bodies caught up that they were able to get traction and start moving forward. We knew this from the getgo but still people wanna gauge his future based on the immediate results. lol

yoyojw17 · Post #1231 » by **yoyojw17** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:19 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote: Such a wasted pick...

What does this have to do with a wasted pick? the guy hasn't played in forever... I can swing this to make another narrative "The magic hire ups have realized they struck gold and had seen enough after 1 game... therefore they are holding Bamba out of the rest of the Summer league so he doesn't break the hearts of the rookies he face.... therefore.... he's sore and we are holding him out" If we really wanna make something out of nothing. lol

Struck gold so they gave another C 4 year 100M so said player can play 10-15 minutes off bench !!!

Dude looked GASSED in what 15 minutes of Summer League. If anything you’d think let’s continue to play him 15 minutes so he can try and get through the conditioning a little early. He’s sore off 15 minutes rofl that’s some weak ****. All that swole Bamba talk and buddy did nothing to help his legs

I did put that in green for a reason. #Sarcasm_makingsomethingoutofnothing

GelbeWand09 · Post #1232 » by **GelbeWand09** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:20 pm

Knightro wrote:A lot of the optimism/pessimism towards Orlando really depends on which version of the Magic you believe to be the real team.

They were 17-24 in the first 41 games (34 win pace) and ranked 26th in ORTG, 13th in DTRG and 7th in DREB%
They were 25-16 in the final 41 games (50 win pace) and ranked 10th in ORTG, 4th in DRTG and 1st in DREB%

-Did Clifford's system need half a season to really take hold?

-Did the Magic take advantage of a much softer schedule/tanking teams in the 2nd half?

-With Clifford's reputation for squeezing every last ounce of blood from the stone, can the Magic rely on playing harder than other teams and continuing to beating up tankers in the 2nd half of the regular season every year?

-Would the Magic simply have played a lot better in the first half had Grant/Simmons/Bamba been replaced by Briscoe/Iwundu/Birch from the jump?

-How much value will continuity provide? In theory the Magic won't need much time to adjust to what Clifford wants them to do like they did last year.

-Can the Magic generally stay as healthy as they did a season ago?

It's all very interesting things to think about when you try and put together a possible ceiling and floor for this basketball team for next year.

The problem is, its not only about ceiling. Even to get into the playoffs next year, many of your positive stuff needs to happen. I say it again, not because i'm a negative poster, i just think i'm a realist & i watch the other teams a lot.
Detroit added quality depth + maybe Westbrook but can Griffin play a healthy season again? Miami was going thru the Wade retirement tour and still finished just behind us & now added Butler + maybe WB.

Question is, was our run more like Miami's 3? seasons a go or like Utah's 2 seasons a go. Miami was a team without real stars and a lot good overperforming Roleplayers + a Center suddenly puttin up Allstar numbers (a lot like us). Utah had the best defense in the leaque after Goberts comeback (like we had).

The good thing is, our success was mainly because of defense. If we maintain a Top 5 defense, we won't miss the playoff.

Skin · Post #1233 » by **Skin** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:20 pm

In other news.... Weltman... :lol:

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npiper17 · Post #1234 » by **npiper17** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:41 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
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If we don’t make the playoffs this year rofl

Genuine question: why, as a Magic fan, would you be rolling over laughing if they didn’t have success?

Post #1235 » by **Knightro** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:49 pm

npiper17 wrote:Genuine question: why, as a Magic fan, would you be rolling over laughing if they didn’t have success?

Not saying this is the case here, but there are a LOT of people in the world who prefer being right above all else.

Even if it comes at the expense of their own short-term happiness.

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1236 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:53 pm

npiper17 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
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If we don’t make the playoffs this year rofl

Genuine question: why, as a Magic fan, would you be rolling over laughing if they didn’t have success?

They would’ve been fooled by 1 Ceiling year where we had 3 guys play at Career level. Hope of Internal improvement that failed built around a fundamentally flawed offense and poor roster construction.

zaymon · Post #1237 » by **zaymon** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:57 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
npiper17 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
If we don’t make the playoffs this year rofl

Genuine question: why, as a Magic fan, would you be rolling over laughing if they didn’t have success?

They would’ve been fooled by 1 Ceiling year where we had 3 guys play at Career level. Hope of Internal improvement that failed built around a fundamentally flawed offense and poor roster construction.

Eventually there was a lot of internal development, we just werent patient enough.

Post #1238 » by **Knightro** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 7:59 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
npiper17 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
If we don’t make the playoffs this year rofl

Genuine question: why, as a Magic fan, would you be rolling over laughing if they didn’t have success?

They would’ve been fooled by 1 Ceiling year where we had 3 guys play at Career level. Hope of Internal improvement that failed built around a fundamentally flawed offense and poor roster construction.

But that doesn't answer his question.

Why would that be funny to you?

Because if that happens it would mean the Magic are not having success and that's not something that we as fans should be laughing about, right?

MagicFan4Lyfe · Post #1239 » by **MagicFan4Lyfe** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:00 pm

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Such a wasted pick...

So Zion was also a wasted pick for being held out of SL after 1 game?

MartinsIzAfraud · Post #1240 » by **MartinsIzAfraud** » Tue Jul 9, 2019 8:01 pm

zaymon wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
npiper17 wrote:
Genuine question: why, as a Magic fan, would you be rolling over laughing if they didn’t have success?

They would’ve been fooled by 1 Ceiling year where we had 3 guys play at Career level. Hope of Internal improvement that failed built around a fundamentally flawed offense and poor roster construction.

Eventually there was a lot of internal development, we just werent patient enough.

I’d say 70% of that internal development revolves around whether Fultz can be healthy. If Fultz isn’t heathy we don’t have Cap to sign a guard come FA and BIG sill have to be broken up to get a guard.