Official Offseason thread Vol 3: Bck2BACK

[Dadouv47]

Don't be surprised to see things kick back up in September once Meyers Leonard can be aggregated in a trade. OKC may be more willing to part with one of the picks, if they can get 30 Million in salary relief following next season with the Dragic and Leonard expiring deals.

Why would we need cap space?

Win/win for both teams that this deal isn't happening right now (well we will see, if he gets injured we are screwed)

Your team did let go of Harden due to luxury tax so maybe the owner rather save the money but I can see Presti pressing him not to give up assets. Plus the fact that Paul does not want to be there, but time will tell. Ideally he would be a great mentor to the guards you have. Also if Presti wanted to compete now you guys have loads of picks to pick up compatible players around Paul and Gallinari.

Our owner was stupid enough to do this then guilt made him pay the tax for Carmelo **** Anthony. I think he learned his lesson. We have a minimum cap space we have to spend anyway. Gallo, Roberson are gone next year, we will probably trade at least one of Adams/Schroeder (I hope Schroeder) and we will have a team option on SGA during CP3 last year of his contract. So his salary isn't an issue at all if we are going full rebuild.

Oh well, we still hope we can find a better deal for CP3 in December (won't be great but better than his market value right now with all the free agency signings etc.) If he gets injured we are screwed though

[AirP.]

I think we are going for a full rebuild but...we never know. Will depend on the market and the best deals Presti can find. I don't think going after Beal is a nice idea though. Trading a lot of assets for a guy that will walk in 2 years (Beal was my number 1 priority but now things are different).
Guess the best case scenario for us is to trade a good player and pick(s) for a very good young prospect that we can develop with SGA.

Right, Paul George was more of a flight risk yet they traded for him and he resigned with OKC.

Right now OKC has SGA/CP3, Gallinari, and S.Adams, that's not a core of a tanking team. Adams and CP3 will be very difficult to move because of their contracts, Gallinari, who will be much easier to move but that still leaves SGA/CP3 and Adams which would make them better than true tanking teams.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[BFRESH44]

Don't be surprised to see things kick back up in September once Meyers Leonard can be aggregated in a trade. OKC may be more willing to part with one of the picks, if they can get 30 Million in salary relief following next season with the Dragic and Leonard expiring deals.

Why would we need cap space?

Win/win for both teams that this deal isn't happening right now (well we will see, if he gets injured we are screwed)

Not about cap space. It's a money thing. It's still a business at the of the day. Ownership currently has 22% of their team up for sale. Money matters. OKC is a small market, and their in transition right now. And if they can get out from under 80+ million of a declining player asset with as little damage in terms of taking from their asset pile, I think they consider taking it if the opportunity presents itself.

Purely speculation on my part, though.

[Bishop45]

No me importa Paul

I can watch a Winslow/Waiters/Yimmy big 3 all season with no drawbacks. Decent amount of shooting, playmakers and perimeter defenders. If JJ decides to show up, all the merrier.

I'll keep an eye out for our immaculate shooter who shot 33% from 3 in SL and 32% from NBA range in la NCAA as wel. Cause, shooters>

[Beenie]

First practice in, CP3 summons the ghost of Minnesota Winnie, and with all of the benchwarmers, he proceeds to embarrass the starters; he jukes SGA out of his shoes and then dunks on Adams, and with the shards of fractured glass raining down from the shattered backboard he lets out a loud ferocious yawp in the direction of Presti who's watching above, TRADE ME MUH FOOKER!

[Dadouv47]

Don't be surprised to see things kick back up in September once Meyers Leonard can be aggregated in a trade. OKC may be more willing to part with one of the picks, if they can get 30 Million in salary relief following next season with the Dragic and Leonard expiring deals.

Why would we need cap space?

Win/win for both teams that this deal isn't happening right now (well we will see, if he gets injured we are screwed)

Not about cap space. It's a money thing. It's still a business at the of the day. Ownership currently has 22% of their team up for sale. Money matters. OKC is a small market, and their in transition right now. And if they can get out from under 80+ million of a declining player asset with as little damage in terms of taking from their asset pile, I think they consider taking it if the opportunity presents itself.

Purely speculation on my part, though.

right now the minimum team salary cap is 91 millions.

We are still looking at trading Gallo before the deadline (if he plays like last year and isn't injured, it won't be difficult), Roberson is an expiring and we could still trade Steven Adams or Schroeder.

We still have several options. Best ones would be trading CP3 in December and Gallo before the trade deadline. Both injury prone so it's a risk for sure but Gallo had a career year so we could get some value and CP3 will try to play well in order to get traded.

[Bishop45]

CP to Dallas for the heck of it would be fun, sheesh Paul/Doncic backcourt and Paul/Zingis PnR in the backwoods

For as long as they could be healthy, that would be fun

[batterybro42]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

No me importa Paul

I can watch a Winslow/Waiters/Yimmy big 3 all season with no drawbacks. Decent amount of shooting, playmakers and perimeter defenders. If JJ decides to show up, all the merrier.

I'll keep an eye out for our immaculate shooter who shot 33% from 3 in SL and 32% from NBA range in la NCAA as wel. Cause, shooters>

I'm hoping Dragic bows out gracefully and fully accepts a bench role. Winslow is going to have to earn it in camp and I think he can do it. Winslow, Waiters, and Yimmy looks like a stout trio. Riley talking about Dragic as the starting PG was hopefully taken to heart by Winslow as a challenge that he needs to work his ass off to beat out the incumbent. Nothing wrong with competition.

[HeatingUp3]

Its good we don't trade for CP. I think Riley gonna try all season to acuire Beal. Maybe a mid season trade will happend. Im good with our team. We are young and im excited to see the progress of Bam, Herro and Winslow. Along with Jimmy Buckets. Gonna be fun ride.

[twix2500]

I'm telling you all right now. 7-11 is going to be starting and thriving with buckets this year. Keep dropping Winslow into your fake starting lineups all you want. Winnie is going to captain the second team and be the swiss army off the bench. Riley basically told you all to stop penciling Winslow into where you want. I think Winslow has a great year for the record and will be the reason we win a ton of games but it's going to come as 6th man of the year.

Here is why it's important IMO for Winslow to start rather it's point or at wing. Have Winslow defend the best wing instead of Butler will allow Butler to be the best of himself offensively.

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I think it's more important for Winslow to captain the defense off the bench with DJJ. Especially when we have guys like Leonard and Herro on the floor. Winslow will be mixed in with Butler when Dragic needs to rest. I see Winslow on the floor plenty this year but it's not going to come as a starter. With the way Waiters looks and Riley's words already on Dragic I think Winslow will have to out perform Waiters by a landslide in camp in order to get a starting spot. Waiters don't look like he's coming in this year to come off the bench. Winslow has his work cut out for him based on what i'm seeing out of Waiters.

Waiters will have to prove it to me. He never been a good player outside of that run a few years ago. So I cant give him that type of respect. But I am willing to see if he can compete. Waiters has shown over his career he wants to dominate the ball. And that doesnt sit well next to Butler in my opinion. I would rather have efficient scorers next to Butler who are effective in areas you want Butler to get some relief at, defense, shooting in corners etc. We all know Waiters want shots and IMO is better if he gets those shots with the second unit. Also have to consider, the Heat lost of Whiteside hurts the team ability to rebound. Having Jimmy and Winslow on the floor together is gonna be needed for rebounding. And the team needs to have the tendency to leak into transition and that is where Dragic influence is important. Waiters wants to score in the same areas that Butler is gonna want to do his work. Waiters is gonna want his 15 shots.

[Bishop45]

No me importa Paul

I can watch a Winslow/Waiters/Yimmy big 3 all season with no drawbacks. Decent amount of shooting, playmakers and perimeter defenders. If JJ decides to show up, all the merrier.

I'll keep an eye out for our immaculate shooter who shot 33% from 3 in SL and 32% from NBA range in la NCAA as wel. Cause, shooters>

I'm hoping Dragic bows out gracefully and fully accepts a bench role. Winslow is going to have to earn it in camp and I think he can do it. Winslow, Waiters, and Yimmy looks like a stout trio. Riley talking about Dragic as the starting PG was hopefully taken to heart by Winslow as a challenge that he needs to work his ass off to beat out the incumbent. Nothing wrong with competition.

I'd like to see those three mentioned play together, but Dragic could probably easily outplay Winslow for the position if that's what it comes down to

Going to be interesting to see whom leads in minutes of those 4 more than anything. Looking at our big depth, Winslow 4 will probably be a default late game option for Spo

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[Seabass777]

Here is why it's important IMO for Winslow to start rather it's point or at wing. Have Winslow defend the best wing instead of Butler will allow Butler to be the best of himself offensively.

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I agree with this, Justise Winslow is going on year 5, and we just extended him, meaning that we are invested in him moving forward. He finally found his calling card last year at the point, and he exploded.

It’s time to stop being cute. Let Dragic and Winslow duke it out in camp yada yada, but ultimately Winslow should get the start, and Dragic can be the 6th man off the bench, thriving with the 2nd unit, while increasing his trade value as an expiring contract.

But like Twix mentioned you have Winslow taking the defensive pressure off of Butler, and there’s no reason why Butler can’t be a 25ppg scorer in our system.

The old man does not agree with you. We invested into Winslow but he's getting paid like a role player. His extension does not preclude a starting spot. Read the tea leaves. The organization during exit interviews Spo clearly came out and said that he was not going to label Winslow as a PG and Riley called Winslow by name saying the media already had him pegged as the starting PG and he cleared the record for everyone saying Dragic was his PG. What more has to be said?

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Classic Riley, jerking the media as always. But we'll what happens after training camp.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[Seabass777]

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I like it, you can't watch this and not smile lol, let's see if we can get 30-11 Dion for an entire season, that would be a big boost, while we're at it 30-11 JJ would be heaven on earth as well, and would make us a top 4 seed in the East.

[dean456]

Don't be surprised to see things kick back up in September once Meyers Leonard can be aggregated in a trade. OKC may be more willing to part with one of the picks, if they can get 30 Million in salary relief following next season with the Dragic and Leonard expiring deals.

Why would we need cap space?

Win/win for both teams that this deal isn't happening right now (well we will see, if he gets injured we are screwed)

Not about cap space. It's a money thing. It's still a business at the of the day. Ownership currently has 22% of their team up for sale. Money matters. OKC is a small market, and their in transition right now. And if they can get out from under 80+ million of a declining player asset with as little damage in terms of taking from their asset pile, I think they consider taking it if the opportunity presents itself.

Purely speculation on my part, though.

While this is very true, OKC is in a pretty comfortable position as is. Unless they can get out of more salary this season I'd imagine they are pretty content with their salary bill next year. They will be $13mil under the salary cap next season as currently constructed and $57mil under the season after that even with Paul, so I doubt making the move makes much sense.

[CWebb2491]

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I know we would take the wall contract to make it possible but how? We'd literally have to gut the team.... what's the plan? Just roll w Winslow, Bam, Herro, Beal, KZ ,Nunn , Djjr and Butler and sigh vet mins?