Political Roundtable Part XXVI

[gtn130]

dckingsfan, Can I FINALLY call Trump a racist and his supporters DEPLORABLES?

Hell yes!

Only if you wanted him reelected

...because we failed so miserably in the midterms?

I call these people what they are and if Trump gets reelected, this is just what America is. A farce, a lie, and no moral standing in the world. American "Exceptionalism" was always a lie anyway.

Yeah, it's pretty laughable. There is literally zero reason to think the Dems need to convert a single Trump supporter in order to win in 2020 but this talking point keeps getting trotted out as if it isn't 100% wrong.

[Ruzious]

If you're a candidate... it's probably a really really really bad idea to call a big chunk of voters "deplorables" - regardless of whether or not they are.

[JWizmentality]

If you're a candidate... it's probably a really really really bad idea to call a big chunk of voters "deplorables" - regardless of whether or not they are.

Well, no not a candidate. I can call them whatever I want though.

[Ruzious]

Shocker!

Read on Twitter

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I could forgive Assange except that... he clearly had an agenda to affect the elections in a grossly illegal manner, and that... makes him an enemy of my country - who I'd like to see executed. Severely punishing people like him is the only chance we have to stop this kind of thing from happening again.

[gtn130]

If you're a candidate... it's probably a really really really bad idea to call a big chunk of voters "deplorables" - regardless of whether or not they are.

I don't believe anyone in this thread is running for President. Dems running for office obviously shouldn't try to offend large groups of voters, but they absolutely ***do not*** need to cater to Trump supporters or conservatives in any sense at all.

If Dems get better turnout than in 2016, they win. Turning the Dems into GOP Lite to make David Brooks happy is an awful and losing strategy because those people have no constituency in politics.

[Ruzious]

If you're a candidate... it's probably a really really really bad idea to call a big chunk of voters "deplorables" - regardless of whether or not they are.

I don't believe anyone in this thread is running for President. Dems running for office obviously shouldn't try to offend large groups of voters, but they absolutely ***do not*** need to cater to Trump supporters or conservatives in any sense at all.

If Dems get better turnout than in 2016, they win. Turning the Dems into GOP Lite to make David Brooks happy is an awful and losing strategy because those people have no constituency in politics.

JWiz said it better, but really there's no point in calling people deplorables. It's a goofy word. Morons sounds better.

[gtn130]

JWiz said it better, but really there's no point in calling people deplorables.

Uh, no there is a point, and that point is moral clarity.

[dckingsfan]

dckingsfan, Can I FINALLY call Trump a racist and his supporters DEPLORABLES?

Hell yes!

Only if you wanted him reelected

...because we failed so miserably in the midterms?

I call these people what they are and if Trump gets reelected, this is just what America is. A farce, a lie, and no moral standing in the world. American "Exceptionalism" was always a lie anyway.

Deplorables came from the midterms?

And I get you just don't care

[pancakes3]

trump rape accuser story was 3 weeks. ago. Then detention center visits. Then Epstein. Then the tweets. And just last night, Trump's rally pivoted from "lock her up" to "send her back."

[dckingsfan]

If you're a candidate... it's probably a really really really bad idea to call a big chunk of voters "deplorables" - regardless of whether or not they are.

Well, no not a candidate. I can call them whatever I want though.

This is America - of course you can. But sometimes our actions have unintended consequences

[dckingsfan]

Hell yes!

Only if you wanted him reelected

...because we failed so miserably in the midterms?

I call these people what they are and if Trump gets reelected, this is just what America is. A farce, a lie, and no moral standing in the world. American "Exceptionalism" was always a lie anyway.

Yeah, it's pretty laughable. There is literally zero reason to think the Dems need to convert a single Trump supporter in order to win in 2020 but this talking point keeps getting trotted out as if it isn't 100% wrong.

Well, two things to that - you need to get your base to turn out. And you need to get the independents to not vote (or not vote for Trump). Remember - this isn't a popular vote. If you think the Ds are winning by a landslide - you are sorely mistaken. It's going to be very close.

[Silvie Lysandra]

If you're a candidate... it's probably a really really really bad idea to call a big chunk of voters "deplorables" - regardless of whether or not they are.

**** that, racists are deplorable and evil pieces of ****, and you don't need their votes. If anything, Hillary should have doubled down. We're talking about literal **** Nazis, and you want us to be considerate of their feelings?

[gtn130]

Well, two things to that - you need to get your base to turn out. And you need to get the independents to not vote (or not vote for Trump). Remember - this isn't a popular vote. If you think the Ds are winning by a landslide - you are sorely mistaken. It's going to be very close.

Obviously it's going to be close - it's a presidential election, but bolded simply isn't true. Independents don't exist to any extent that matters. The moderate conservative pundit class is like 100 dudes.

The people voting Trump were always going to vote Trump no matter what. It's a matter of driving Dem turnout, and we saw the result of that in 2018.

[dckingsfan]

Well, two things to that - you need to get your base to turn out. And you need to get the independents to not vote (or not vote for Trump). Remember - this isn't a popular vote. If you think the Ds are winning by a landslide - you are sorely mistaken. It's going to be very close.

Obviously it's going to be close - it's a presidential election, but bolded simply isn't true. Independents don't exist to any extent that matters. The moderate conservative pundit class is like 100 dudes.

The people voting Trump were always going to vote Trump no matter what. It's a matter of driving Dem turnout, and we saw the result of that in 2018.

yeah, let's agree to disagree on this one...

[gtn130]

Well, two things to that - you need to get your base to turn out. And you need to get the independents to not vote (or not vote for Trump). Remember - this isn't a popular vote. If you think the Ds are winning by a landslide - you are sorely mistaken. It's going to be very close.

Obviously it's going to be close - it's a presidential election, but bolded simply isn't true. Independents don't exist to any extent that matters. The moderate conservative pundit class is like 100 dudes.

The people voting Trump were always going to vote Trump no matter what. It's a matter of driving Dem turnout, and we saw the result of that in 2018.

yeah, let's agree to disagree on this one...

Yes, dude, people self-identify in a number of wild and creative ways. They still vote one way.

[dckingsfan]

Obviously it's going to be close - it's a presidential election, but bolded simply isn't true. Independents don't exist to any extent that matters. The moderate conservative pundit class is like 100 dudes.

The people voting Trump were always going to vote Trump no matter what. It's a matter of driving Dem turnout, and we saw the result of that in 2018.

yeah, let's agree to disagree on this one...

Yes, dude, people self-identify in a number of wild and creative ways. They still vote one way.

They didn't in 2016, no?

[dckingsfan]

Let me put it to you another way. Here is how to "lose" the election. Here is how Trump can win the election.

Lose the election:
Come out strongly for open borders.

Don't have a reasonable plan on healthcare (no private insurance option for example).

The nasty secret of 2016 is that President Trump didn't win the election — Clinton lost it. We could easily do the same thing in 2020 if we insist that Americans must be taught a lesson for their 2016 deplorableness.

Have another motivational candidate like Clinton.

Here is how Trump can win the election:
Make it about AOC - her disapproval rate is way higher than Trump's nationally.

Run on the economy.

It is absolutely about getting those that identify as independents to vote. There just aren't enough die hard - I am only a D to swing the election by themselves.

[gtn130]

Yes, dude, people self-identify in a number of wild and creative ways. They still vote one way.

They didn't in 2016, no?

Of course they did.

Again, Hillary lost because people didn't turn out - not because Independents turned on her, and she was still +3 million in the popular vote. If we maximize voter turnout, that will only help the candidate that is...more popular.

Registered Voters Who Stayed Home Probably Cost Clinton The Election

Registered voters who didn’t vote on Election Day in November were more Democratic-leaning than the registered voters who turned out, according to a post-election poll from SurveyMonkey, shared with FiveThirtyEight. In fact, Donald Trump probably would have lost to Hillary Clinton had Republican- and Democratic-leaning registered voters cast ballots at equal rates.

The second pattern that jumps out in the SurveyMonkey data: Non-white and Hispanic Americans were more likely to stay home than white voters.

Next up: Younger voters were more likely to stay home than older voters.

Ok, so we're talking about young non-white voters who stayed home and cost Clinton the election. You honestly think they stayed home cause they were mad Hillary called a bunch of backwoods racists "deplorables"? Come on, man.

[JWizmentality]

If you're a candidate... it's probably a really really really bad idea to call a big chunk of voters "deplorables" - regardless of whether or not they are.

Well, no not a candidate. I can call them whatever I want though.

This is America - of course you can. But sometimes our actions have unintended consequences

Indeed. That's how we ended up with a POS in the White House. I'm done playing peacemaker. I've seen enough from the "other half" to know we will never see eye to eye or share common ground. I no longer care for their "plight" or their issues. I look out only for those of like mind. I doubt care about how they vote or want it. There's more of me than they are of them. 3 million + and growing. They are trending in the wrong direction and I don't need to cater to their concerns. See you in 2020.

If that tears apart the fabric of this country so be it. It needed to happen. Let the stones fall where they may.

[dckingsfan]

Yes, dude, people self-identify in a number of wild and creative ways. They still vote one way.

They didn't in 2016, no?

Of course they did.

Again, Hillary lost because people didn't turn out - not because Independents turned on her, and she was still +3 million in the popular vote. If we maximize voter turnout, that will only help the candidate that is...more popular.

Registered Voters Who Stayed Home Probably Cost Clinton The Election

Registered voters who didn’t vote on Election Day in November were more Democratic-leaning than the registered voters who turned out, according to a post-election poll from SurveyMonkey, shared with FiveThirtyEight. In fact, Donald Trump probably would have lost to Hillary Clinton had Republican- and Democratic-leaning registered voters cast ballots at equal rates.

The second pattern that jumps out in the SurveyMonkey data: Non-white and Hispanic Americans were more likely to stay home than white voters.

Next up: Younger voters were more likely to stay home than older voters.

Ok, so we're talking about young non-white voters who stayed home and cost Clinton the election. You honestly think they stayed home cause they were mad Hillary called a bunch of backwoods racists "deplorables"? Come on, man.

But young voters and Hispanic and Black voters NEVER vote at the same rate as older voters (throughout the ages). That is a logic error. What you are saying is "we need a miracle to win". We need young voters (especially Hispanic and black voters) that are apathetic to come out and vote and we need this to happen in swing states. And Hillary was a meh candidate that couldn't motivate a kid in a candy store.

Maybe the other side of that same coin - the deplorable comments motivated the other side to come out and vote? Or can you not see how this could be part of the equation? And again - the presidential election isn't a popular vote.