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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#161 » by Knickfan1982 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 4:43 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:We’re only 6 games back in the WC standings. As strange as this is to say, with a 5 game win streak we’re right in this thing.

It would take a complete bounceback and a collapse of at least 9 teams currently with better records than the Mets for them to make the playoffs.
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#162 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:15 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:We’re only 6 games back in the WC standings. As strange as this is to say, with a 5 game win streak we’re right in this thing.

It would take a complete bounceback and a collapse of at least 9 teams currently with better records than the Mets for them to make the playoffs.


They're all just a few games apart with about 70 games left. That's an eternity. Ha, we lost the Division with 17 games left and up 7.5 games.
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#163 » by F N 11 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:41 pm

Why y’all scouting Devi? I’m curious.
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#164 » by RShahNyC89 » Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:54 pm

Thinking we're still in it is extremely short sighted and would be a mismanagement of opportunity and assets.
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Post#165 » by Manhattan Project » Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:37 pm

I mean at this point in time we're scouting other top prospects, this team is going to blow it up. It's time to see if Smith and Davis can be every day players.
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#166 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:20 am

RShahNyC89 wrote:Thinking we're still in it is extremely short sighted and would be a mismanagement of opportunity and assets.


Who would you like to trade and what do you expect to get back for each?
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#167 » by Knickfan1982 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:37 pm

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HarthorneWingo wrote:We’re only 6 games back in the WC standings. As strange as this is to say, with a 5 game win streak we’re right in this thing.

It would take a complete bounceback and a collapse of at least 9 teams currently with better records than the Mets for them to make the playoffs.


They're all just a few games apart with about 70 games left. That's an eternity. Ha, we lost the Division with 17 games left and up 7.5 games.


Yea but for you to lose the division you only need one team to pass you. For the Mets to make the playoffs they need to leapfrog a bunch of teams. Not completely outside the realm of possibility but has about as much chance of happening as the Knicks have of making the playoffs next year.
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#168 » by prolific96 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:13 pm

Knickfan1982 wrote:I don't hold the Familia deal against him. While even at his best Familia was never the second coming of Mariano Rivera no one could have anticipated just how terrible he would be. Everything else you said is spot on. The Lowrie signing would have made sense if Cano wasn't brought in. The Cano addition never made any darn sense.

You're right. I was pretty optimistic when the deal was signed. He pitched well enough for the Mets his first "go round". I suppose my biggest issue has more to do with ownership and there need to operate like a small market team. The overall money given to Familia was pretty reasonable at 3 year 30 million but when you factor in that he'll be making 11.6 and 17.6 million respectively in his final 2 years it makes it very difficult to move him and there is almost no way for him to "earn" those salaries as a setup man.

The only way I see it happening is if you replicate the deal that brought him to the Mets in the first place. Package his turd of a contract with an attractive asset and take back some lesser salary ballast in the process. Something like Thor and Cano to Boston for Nathan Eovaldi and prospects.

That would be a nightmare scenerio for me. Under no circumstances should the Mets use one of their assets to shed Cano. Either the Met management should cut/bench Cano or just keep him and blow up the team.

Manhattan Project wrote:I mean at this point in time we're scouting other top prospects, this team is going to blow it up. It's time to see if Smith and Davis can be every day players.

I like Smith but where would you play him? He's not playing over Alonso, McNeil or Conforto. Davis looks like he'll hit but his defense at third has been bad. But I do agree with you, he needs to be at 3rd base for the remainder of the season.

IMO there are 2 ways to proceed. Cut Cano and try to contend again next season or blow this team up. As New York fan I'd prefer to try and compete so I may have at least one team with playoff aspirations. With even a mediocre bullpen this season we'd be right in the thick of things. I know many on down on Rosario but I'm still optimistic and as long as Nimmo's neck issues aren't chronic, I don't think the Mets are in terrible position for a quick turnaround.
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#169 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:53 pm

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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#170 » by NYKnickerbocker » Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:08 am

Familla needs to be taken outback
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#171 » by Knickfan1982 » Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:08 pm

prolific96 wrote:You're right. I was pretty optimistic when the deal was signed. He pitched well enough for the Mets his first "go round". I suppose my biggest issue has more to do with ownership and there need to operate like a small market team. The overall money given to Familia was pretty reasonable at 3 year 30 million but when you factor in that he'll be making 11.6 and 17.6 million respectively in his final 2 years it makes it very difficult to move him and there is almost no way for him to "earn" those salaries as a setup man.


Yea I forgot it was so backloaded. Yikes. At this point your only hope is that he turns things around because there is no way you're even going to give him away with 2 years and a little over 29 million left on his deal. To think the Yankees got Ottavino for less.

That would be a nightmare scenerio for me. Under no circumstances should the Mets use one of their assets to shed Cano. Either the Met management should cut/bench Cano or just keep him and blow up the team.


I understand that. Ideally you want to maximize your return on your best players especially if they are cheap. I hated the Porzingis trade when it was made because we minimized our pick and prospect return because we insisted on dumping Courtney Lee and Tim Hardaway Jr in the deal. The problem is that even though the Mets are a big market team they operate like a small market team. They are tighter than a duck's butt with their money and they won't let Cano just rot on the bench nor will they just buy him out. And with 4 years at 24 million a year (although I think Seattle's paying some small portion of that) its going to be expensive to bench him or buy him out. Even on the bench he's taking up a roster spot that could be better used. If you don't have him on the bench you're forced to play him at second base where his diminishing range makes him a defensive liability.

He'd be better served on an AL team where they could hide him at DH and possibly give him some spot starts at 1st base. Boston has not received very good production out of 1st base but they can't take on Cano's full contract at least not this year. So the idea is that you ship the Mets Nathan Eovaldi and Mitch Moreland to help balance out the contract cost in the first year while Eovaldi will lessen the full brunt of taking on Cano.

For the Mets its an addition by subtraction. Dumping Cano will put Jeff McNeil at second base which should improve the Mets infield defense. Lowrie then makes more sense as a super utility guy that bounces around the infield depending upon the pitching matchup. The money saved over the course of the upcoming seasons helps the Mets resign Zach Wheeler while Nathan Eovaldi (if he pitches like he did for the Yankees) would be a decent back end of the rotation starter and replacement for Jason Vargas. If he can recapture the magic he had for Tampa and Boston last year then he'd be much more than a capable Vargas replacement.

In terms of prospects maybe you can't demand Boston's only top 100 ranked prospect because of Cano's inclusion but someone like Bobby Dalbec might be interesting. He's their second best prospect and the 8th best 3rd base prospect in the minors. He's got big pop in his bat and he isn't far from the majors.
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#172 » by HarthorneWingo » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:51 am

Mets are rolling. Mickey may have finally figured out how to use the bullpen! Yay!
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#173 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:18 pm

F N 11 wrote:Why y’all scouting Devi? I’m curious.


We're going to you give Cano for him
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#174 » by newyorker4ever » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:37 pm

NYKnickerbocker wrote:Familla needs to be taken outback


For a bloomin onion?

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Post#175 » by reub » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:41 am

I don't trust Brodie to make a good trade. I hope we stand pat and play to win.
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Post#176 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:49 am

reub wrote:I don't trust Brodie to make a good trade. I hope we stand pat and play to win.


what exactly?
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#177 » by NYKnickerbocker » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:50 am

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reub wrote:I don't trust Brodie to make a good trade. I hope we stand pat and play to win.


what exactly?
the 13th pick in the draft so we can wait 5 years for the next Brandon nimmo after his career ends from whiplash
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#178 » by mpharris36 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:09 am

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reub wrote:I don't trust Brodie to make a good trade. I hope we stand pat and play to win.


what exactly?
the 13th pick in the draft so we can wait 5 years for the next Brandon nimmo after his career ends from whiplash


team is enept. You have to trade Thor. He is the only ace on the market because al the other teams will to trade pitching are in the playoff race. Put Noah on the market and make the yankees/astros/red sox/twins overbid for him since he's the only ace type controllable pitcher on the market.

Get actually people that can play certain positions. I'm tired of playing our entire team out of position.

Our Lf in a 1B
Our CF is a LF
our RF is a 2B
our 2B is a DH
our SS is a CF

who built this roster?
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Re: Official 2019 Mets Thread, II, p. 337 

Post#179 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:22 am

It’s really unfair.
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Post#180 » by NYKnickerbocker » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:34 am

1 Ronny Mauricio SS
2 Andres Gimenez SS
3 Brett Baty 3B
4 Anthony Kay LHP
5 Francisco Alvarez C
6 Simeon Woods-Richardson RHP
7 Matt Allan RHP
8 Mark Vientos 3B
9 David Peterson LHP
10 Kevin Smith LHP
11 Thomas Szapucki LHP
12 Shervyen Newton 2B
13 Franklyn Kilome RHP
14 Josh Wolf RHP
15 Walker Lockett RHP
16 Junior Santos RHP
17 Dedniel Nunez RHP
18 Jordan Humphreys RHP
19 Tony Dibrell RHP
20 Ryley Gilliam RHP
21 Ali Sanchez C
22 Carlos Cortes 2B
23 William Lugo SS
24 Freddy Valdez OF
25 Hayden Senger C
26 Sam Haggerty 2B
27 Daison Acosta RHP
28 Michel Otanez RHP
29 Will Toffey
30 Luis Carpio

Our top guys with the draft picks included according to baseball America. Thor trade would get em a couple more A level peices. Do t want him to go though :cry:

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