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Frank Lee wrote:Is this the most talented team, top to bottom, Rubio has played on ?
Frank Lee wrote:Pair it up
Gobert/Favors/Engles/Crowder/Mitchell/Korver/ ?
Ayton/Baynes/Saric/Bridges/Booker/Oubre/TJohnson
Would you trade Ayton for Gobert ? Booker for Mitchell ? TJohnson or Oubre for Korver ? Bridges for Engles ?
I dont think its as clear cut as you think.
Frank Lee wrote:Pair it up
Gobert/Favors/Engles/Crowder/Mitchell/Korver/ ?
Ayton/Baynes/Saric/Bridges/Booker/Oubre/TJohnson
Would you trade Ayton for Gobert ? Booker for Mitchell ? TJohnson or Oubre for Korver ? Bridges for Engles ?
I dont think its as clear cut as you think.
ensiferum wrote:As some users have said before me, it's quite simple. Rubio has a set of skills, if you use him in a wrong way, he will kinda suck. He needs to handle the ball and run the offense, he will find someone open for a good shot 90% of the times. And that's it. You make him stand in the corner waiting for a 3, and thats a waste of a signing because he starts being useless.
bwgood77 wrote:ensiferum wrote:As some users have said before me, it's quite simple. Rubio has a set of skills, if you use him in a wrong way, he will kinda suck. He needs to handle the ball and run the offense, he will find someone open for a good shot 90% of the times. And that's it. You make him stand in the corner waiting for a 3, and thats a waste of a signing because he starts being useless.
Yeah, I like watching Rubio with the ball and he's good on D, but my biggest fear of our offseason moves is that him and Booker don't co-exist well. I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but that is a fear. I kind of accepted that Booker loved to play on ball a lot and that he should play on ball a bit because he can be good at it, and though pairing him with another guard who was good on or off ball (like Brogdon) would work best.
Booker is probably even a bigger weapon off ball though and allowing Rubio to handle would allow him and especially the rest of the team to flourish more because they know they'd get the ball when they are open. Booker's passing improved but one problem with him on ball is that he will get trapped and won't be able to see the entire floor at times. If he handles it a lot with Rubio on the floor I'm sure we are to see this happen quite a bit as Rubio's defender will help on Booker.
I just hope Booker is fine off ball most all the time when Rubio is on the floor...the worst scenario would be Booker not liking playing with him for some reason because he didn't give him the ball enough. And if he just gives Booker the ball when he crosses half court, Rubio won't be too useful and probably won't enjoy it too much either.
I have my fingers crossed the jell perfectly.
Saberestar wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Is this the most talented team, top to bottom, Rubio has played on ?
Quick answer... no.
The Jazz from the last couple of years were a really talented team.
Crives wrote:bwgood77 wrote:ensiferum wrote:As some users have said before me, it's quite simple. Rubio has a set of skills, if you use him in a wrong way, he will kinda suck. He needs to handle the ball and run the offense, he will find someone open for a good shot 90% of the times. And that's it. You make him stand in the corner waiting for a 3, and thats a waste of a signing because he starts being useless.
Yeah, I like watching Rubio with the ball and he's good on D, but my biggest fear of our offseason moves is that him and Booker don't co-exist well. I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but that is a fear. I kind of accepted that Booker loved to play on ball a lot and that he should play on ball a bit because he can be good at it, and though pairing him with another guard who was good on or off ball (like Brogdon) would work best.
Booker is probably even a bigger weapon off ball though and allowing Rubio to handle would allow him and especially the rest of the team to flourish more because they know they'd get the ball when they are open. Booker's passing improved but one problem with him on ball is that he will get trapped and won't be able to see the entire floor at times. If he handles it a lot with Rubio on the floor I'm sure we are to see this happen quite a bit as Rubio's defender will help on Booker.
I just hope Booker is fine off ball most all the time when Rubio is on the floor...the worst scenario would be Booker not liking playing with him for some reason because he didn't give him the ball enough. And if he just gives Booker the ball when he crosses half court, Rubio won't be too useful and probably won't enjoy it too much either.
I have my fingers crossed the jell perfectly.
I really hope we see a good amount of staggered minutes between these two.
Frank Lee wrote:Saberestar wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Is this the most talented team, top to bottom, Rubio has played on ?
Quick answer... no.
The Jazz from the last couple of years were a really talented team.
Ok
Let me rephrase that
Is this the best offensive talent around Rubio?
Frank Lee wrote:Saberestar wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Is this the most talented team, top to bottom, Rubio has played on ?
Quick answer... no.
The Jazz from the last couple of years were a really talented team.
Ok
Let me rephrase that
Is this the best offensive talent around Rubio?
Saberestar wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Saberestar wrote:Quick answer... no.
The Jazz from the last couple of years were a really talented team.
Ok
Let me rephrase that
Is this the best offensive talent around Rubio?
I do not think so, but it is closer because Booker, Saric and Ayton are better players on offense than defenders.
But the Jazz had plenty of talented offensive players. They played a lot with three really good shooters around Rubio (Mitchell, Ingles and Crowder at PF) and they had O'Neal/Korver/Sefolosha who could help and gave them great depth.
And we have players on our roster that are not "talented" on offense. Bridges, Carter, Baynes and Diallo are really limited on offense, they stand out more for his defense.
Crives wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Saberestar wrote:Quick answer... no.
The Jazz from the last couple of years were a really talented team.
Ok
Let me rephrase that
Is this the best offensive talent around Rubio?
I think Jazz only had two shooters with Rubio while we will have at least 3...4 if Ayton 3 develops.
Frank Lee wrote:Pair it up
Gobert/Favors/Engles/Crowder/Mitchell/Korver/ ?
Ayton/Baynes/Saric/Bridges/Booker/Oubre/TJohnson
Would you trade Ayton for Gobert ? Booker for Mitchell ? TJohnson or Oubre for Korver ? Bridges for Engles ?
I dont think its as clear cut as you think.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
bwgood77 wrote:ensiferum wrote:As some users have said before me, it's quite simple. Rubio has a set of skills, if you use him in a wrong way, he will kinda suck. He needs to handle the ball and run the offense, he will find someone open for a good shot 90% of the times. And that's it. You make him stand in the corner waiting for a 3, and thats a waste of a signing because he starts being useless.
Yeah, I like watching Rubio with the ball and he's good on D, but my biggest fear of our offseason moves is that him and Booker don't co-exist well. I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but that is a fear. I kind of accepted that Booker loved to play on ball a lot and that he should play on ball a bit because he can be good at it, and though pairing him with another guard who was good on or off ball (like Brogdon) would work best.
Booker is probably even a bigger weapon off ball though and allowing Rubio to handle would allow him and especially the rest of the team to flourish more because they know they'd get the ball when they are open. Booker's passing improved but one problem with him on ball is that he will get trapped and won't be able to see the entire floor at times. If he handles it a lot with Rubio on the floor I'm sure we are to see this happen quite a bit as Rubio's defender will help on Booker.
I just hope Booker is fine off ball most all the time when Rubio is on the floor...the worst scenario would be Booker not liking playing with him for some reason because he didn't give him the ball enough. And if he just gives Booker the ball when he crosses half court, Rubio won't be too useful and probably won't enjoy it too much either.
I have my fingers crossed the jell perfectly.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame
Sugarless wrote:Saberestar wrote:Frank Lee wrote:
Ok
Let me rephrase that
Is this the best offensive talent around Rubio?
I do not think so, but it is closer because Booker, Saric and Ayton are better players on offense than defenders.
But the Jazz had plenty of talented offensive players. They played a lot with three really good shooters around Rubio (Mitchell, Ingles and Crowder at PF) and they had O'Neal/Korver/Sefolosha who could help and gave them great depth.
And we have players on our roster that are not "talented" on offense. Bridges, Carter, Baynes and Diallo are really limited on offense, they stand out more for his defense.
I agree. The Suns are more talented in terms of scoring, but offense goes way beyond that. The Jazz were more talented in terms of passing, moving without the ball and executing. They were great at it and they will continue to be under that coaching team. Hopefully the Suns improve in those aspects with new leadership on the court and on the sidelines.
Defensively of course they're worlds apart.
This current Suns team reminds more of the Timberwolves with KAT, LaVine, Wiggins, Dieng, Muhammad and later Kris Dunn. A lot of young talent and promise, with a 20yo franchise center, plenty of scoring at the 2, some young role players at the forward spots and even a promising back-up PG, though in a completely different mold. Different players of course, and I hope some of the Suns guys end up better than Wiggins, Muhammad or Dunn (I also like them better and think they're a more natural fit), but overall it's a similar vibe: a young team that couldn't reach 20 wins the previous season (in the Wolves' case, due in large part to Rubio's injury, as he barely played that year and when he did he was clearly not 100%) and one that should thrive in transition and try to find its identity in an extremely tough western conference, only with a better bench and a more established first option in Booker.
lilfishi22 wrote:More than ever....we are in the championship or bust endgame