Nothin but Nets

[GeorgeMarcus]

It's funny how people on this forum clowned Jared Dudley last season yet now all of a sudden he's this major loss for the Nets based on his on/off absolutely clueless.

Find a post of me clowning Jared Dudley and I’ll delete my OP. Otherwise, irrelevant comment.

Prokorov: yes, you can have a winning record while being outscored, but if that’s what you’re relying on you might be in for a bad time...

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

[3toheadmelo]

Nets will be disappointing

[DarkXaero]

Find a post of me clowning Jared Dudley and I’ll delete my OP. Otherwise, irrelevant comment.

Prokorov: yes, you can have a winning record while being outscored, but if that’s what you’re relying on you might be in for a bad time...

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

This is nonsense

[GeorgeMarcus]

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

This is nonsense

Calling him the engine of anything is nonsense. He's an above average backup/below average starter, but people love 3pt% so it's no surprise he gets more credit than that.

[Paradise]

Find a post of me clowning Jared Dudley and I’ll delete my OP. Otherwise, irrelevant comment.

Prokorov: yes, you can have a winning record while being outscored, but if that’s what you’re relying on you might be in for a bad time...

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

You’re missing the point.

LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Kurucs are the vital pieces to the team. LeVert was the leading scorer, Dinwiddie was a 6MoY contender, etc. Not sure how everyone else BUT them are the keys to 42 wins.

The only playoff performers sent packing are Russell, Dudley, Carroll. Davis missed the rest of the series...all three are still being replaced by better players and guys with playoff experience including Prince...In terms of Harris, he still provided clutch shots in Game 4.

So, again, not exactly sure what is the point of the argument being made. That David, Napier, Graham, RHJ were the only significantly vital pieces? That’s pretty ridiculous.

[MrDollarBills]

Find a post of me clowning Jared Dudley and I’ll delete my OP. Otherwise, irrelevant comment.

Prokorov: yes, you can have a winning record while being outscored, but if that’s what you’re relying on you might be in for a bad time...

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

This dude doesn't know what the **** he's talking about, told yall

He watched 5 playoff games and comes on here acting like he has a clue, it's hilarious

[MrDollarBills]

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

You’re missing the point.

LeVert, Dinwiddie, Allen, Kurucs are the vital pieces to the team. LeVert was the leading scorer, Dinwiddie was a 6MoY contender, etc. Not sure how everyone else BUT them are the keys to 42 wins.

The only playoff performers sent packing are Russell, Dudley, Carroll. Davis missed the rest of the series...all three are still being replaced by better players and guys with playoff experience including Prince...In terms of Harris, he still provided clutch shots in Game 4.

So, again, not exactly sure what is the point of the argument being made. That David, Napier, Graham, RHJ were the only significantly vital pieces? That’s pretty ridiculous.

Dude thinks that Traveon Graham and Shabazz Napier were more important than Joe Harris. There is no way in hell anyone could have watched the Nets last season and would think that or even remotely downplay Harris' impact on the court.

Harris hit so many clutch shots in tight games I lost count.

[MrDollarBills]

So who was the engine behind our offense's success, Ed Davis? are you sure you know how to digest the data that you've presented??

No one cares about Harris' defense. He was a huge factor in our offense due to his elite three point shooting that opened up things for Russell, LeVert, and Dinwiddie to go to work.

And no, you don't have to convince me on anything, just based on your OP and this continued conversation I know you don't know what you're talking about, especially when you're sitting there downplaying Joe Harris' impact based on on/off numbers. You might want to actually start watching games and having some semblance of an understanding of how this team works before thinking your opinion carries weight.

“No one cares about Harris’ defense” I remember clueless Sixers fans having similar feelings on Redick. Some people like to overvalue their ‘eye test’ or whatever even in stark contradiction to numbers/reality. Suit yourself man. No skin off my back. I sure don’t watch any games or anything...

If you dont think Harris is the guy who made the nets offense run you clearly have no clue about last years nets team or harris. especially if you think he is merely a "floor spacer". without harris, the nets basically revert to an iso team that struggles to make defense move or work. we are probably 15 games worse last year without harris. he has an enormous impact. this isnt steve novak sitting in corners

Harris was elite from downtown last season and on top of that he was one of the best finishers on the team off of cut and catch plays going to the rim. But I'm sure OP knew that right?

Lmao

[Prokorov]

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

This is nonsense

Calling him the engine of anything is nonsense. He's an above average backup/below average starter, but people love 3pt% so it's no surprise he gets more credit than that.

3PT shooting is just one facet of harris game. he isnt some spot up shooter. he scores on cuts to the rim, he puts in on the deck and gets to the hoop... when he gets to the hoop he finishes at lebron james levels. he creates space, he makes everyone on the floor with him better. when he sits or is out our offense falls apart and becomes just a series of isolations.

Harris is far and away the engine of the nets offense. to say otherwise shows a complete ignorance of harris and the nets

[GeorgeMarcus]

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

Nope, not moving goalposts. You’re missing the point. The Nets were able to win 42 games largely in part to the contributions of the guys they sent packing (the ones who weren’t negative on the court). THAT is the point. Joe Harris just wasn’t as vital to your team as you’re making him out to be.

This dude doesn't know what the **** he's talking about, told yall

He watched 5 playoff games and comes on here acting like he has a clue, it's hilarious

Dude thinks that Traveon Graham and Shabazz Napier were more important than Joe Harris. There is no way in hell anyone could have watched the Nets last season and would think that or even remotely downplay Harris' impact on the court.

Harris hit so many clutch shots in tight games I lost count.

Your whole argument is putting words in my mouth that I never came close to saying I'm sorry your team won't be viewed as a legitimate threat next year but that's just the way it is...

Just so we're clear, the *best case* justification for the numbers in the OP is that your starting lineup was sub average but your bench was good enough to hover around .500. The alternative being: not only were your starters sub average, but they were also worse than your backups who you just sent packing. Apparently you attribute the latter belief to me even though I never expressed those feelings. Neither case gets you to 50 wins though without severely overrating Kyrie/DeAndre and company

[GeorgeMarcus]

This is nonsense

Calling him the engine of anything is nonsense. He's an above average backup/below average starter, but people love 3pt% so it's no surprise he gets more credit than that.

3PT shooting is just one facet of harris game. he isnt some spot up shooter. he scores on cuts to the rim, he puts in on the deck and gets to the hoop... when he gets to the hoop he finishes at lebron james levels. he creates space, he makes everyone on the floor with him better. when he sits or is out our offense falls apart and becomes just a series of isolations.

Harris is far and away the engine of the nets offense. to say otherwise shows a complete ignorance of harris and the nets

"Engine" is too strong a word, but either way, I notice you left defense out of your assessment. That's convenient.

[GeorgeMarcus]

when he gets to the hoop he finishes at lebron james levels

Holy **** I missed this the first time. Joe effin Harris lol you are out of control man. I would so sig this if I rolled that way

[Prokorov]

Calling him the engine of anything is nonsense. He's an above average backup/below average starter, but people love 3pt% so it's no surprise he gets more credit than that.

3PT shooting is just one facet of harris game. he isnt some spot up shooter. he scores on cuts to the rim, he puts in on the deck and gets to the hoop... when he gets to the hoop he finishes at lebron james levels. he creates space, he makes everyone on the floor with him better. when he sits or is out our offense falls apart and becomes just a series of isolations.

Harris is far and away the engine of the nets offense. to say otherwise shows a complete ignorance of harris and the nets

"Engine" is too strong a word, but either way, I notice you left defense out of your assessment. That's convenient.

who cares about defense for a guy being paid to provide offense? which he did tons of. he makes our entire offense run.

[GeorgeMarcus]

3PT shooting is just one facet of harris game. he isnt some spot up shooter. he scores on cuts to the rim, he puts in on the deck and gets to the hoop... when he gets to the hoop he finishes at lebron james levels. he creates space, he makes everyone on the floor with him better. when he sits or is out our offense falls apart and becomes just a series of isolations.

Harris is far and away the engine of the nets offense. to say otherwise shows a complete ignorance of harris and the nets

"Engine" is too strong a word, but either way, I notice you left defense out of your assessment. That's convenient.

who cares about defense for a guy being paid to provide offense? which he did tons of. he makes our entire offense run.

There's a reason Sweet Lou comes off he bench, and Joe Harris ain't Sweet Lou

[MapleMamba]

If this Nets team was in the WC, they would not even make the playoffs.

People keep pointing to last season record. But they finished 1 game better then both the Magic and the Pistons.


Food for thought...

[Prokorov]

"Engine" is too strong a word, but either way, I notice you left defense out of your assessment. That's convenient.

who cares about defense for a guy being paid to provide offense? which he did tons of. he makes our entire offense run.

There's a reason Sweet Lou comes off he bench, and Joe Harris ain't Sweet Lou

harden starts. i guess he is all-nba defense?

[John Murdoch]

Might miss playoffs tbh

[jman3134]

So RHJ was +0.7 when the Nets were up by 20 and no one played defense. The dynasty ends before it even began.

[jman3134]

If this Nets team was in the WC, they would not even make the playoffs.

People keep pointing to last season record. But they finished 1 game better then both the Magic and the Pistons.


Food for thought...

Pretty sure there's no science to support this.

[Prokorov]

So RHJ was +0.7 when the Nets were up by 20 and no one played defense. The dynasty ends before it even began.

you simply cant lose third string, oft-injured, minimum salary players and expect to compete in this league.

Nets should tank.