Political Roundtable Part XXVI

[dobrojim]

What about ...

But this I will never understand. Republicans didn't seem to be paying attention in kindergarten when we were all taught "two wrongs don't make a right". I get it, you are deflecting attention away from a failing by your guy, but why use someone else's behavior to justify your own? "Well he did it too" doesn't exonerate you in a court of law. Doesn't even get past basic parenting.

Are you saying we are defining a new standards so at some point if trump rapes or murders someone you can excuse it if only you can find some democrat somewhere who once committed a similar crime?

It's infantile. Wrong is wrong.

This brings to mind a tweet, can't remember the author, shortly after the body slamming of
the reporter in Montana. The author (sadly) pointed out that we have now reached a point
where we seem to be unable to condemn some particular behavior without first learning
or knowing if the person doing the behavior is on our team or with the 'other' guys.

It's far too close to being true than anyone should be comfortable with or happy about.

[JWizmentality]

How is calling Baltimore a crime infested city any more racist than tweeting ""It's all about the Benjamins baby" in regards to supporting Israel? She's had interviews at bookstores and others where she's talked rubbish as well.

She was talking about money influencing Politics. Weak sauce, but I knw you subscribe to right wing propaganda. What else do you have? Give me examples of her calling out a specific group. Don't give bookstore nonsense and right wing lies. Show me proof.

Even people in her own party called her out for her non stop talk.

Nevertheless, its an opinion just like calling Baltimore crime infested is, except a key thing, stats prove Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the country. She can't back up her points with any hard evidence such as murder rates, robberies, etc.

Baltimore is disgusting, and I'd venture to say most people on here dont nor wouldn't live there if they had a choice. So there's no talking point.

I'm waiting. You said she was a racist. Now you're saying it was just talk.

[payitforward]

How is calling Baltimore a crime infested city any more racist than tweeting ""It's all about the Benjamins baby" in regards to supporting Israel? She's had interviews at bookstores and others where she's talked rubbish as well.

She was talking about money influencing Politics. Weak sauce, but I knw you subscribe to right wing propaganda. What else do you have? Give me examples of her calling out a specific group. Don't give bookstore nonsense and right wing lies. Show me proof.

Even people in her own party called her out for her non stop talk.

Nevertheless, its an opinion just like calling Baltimore crime infested is, except a key thing, stats prove Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the country. She can't back up her points with any hard evidence such as murder rates, robberies, etc.

Baltimore is disgusting, and I'd venture to say most people on here dont nor wouldn't live there if they had a choice. So there's no talking point.

Look, it's really kind of obvious. When you say "Baltimore has an extremely high crime rate," that's not racism. When you call Baltimore "crime-infested," that's racism.

The denotation may be the same or at least similar. The rest is not. & most of language, what it's for, & people's purposes in using language is aimed at ends that are decidedly other than mere denotation.

Thus, when you borrow the inherently negative, judgmental language commonly used to characterize a situation dominated by insects (or rats or similar pest-predators) & use it instead on a human environment with a clear intent to declare the humans in that environment as unworthy of attention or care or respect, you are using language to turn them into animals. To see them, & make sure others see them, as sub-human.

That's racism. There's nothing complicated about it. & if you defend racism, you promote racism. & if you try to obscure the effect of language, word-choices, on perception in a way whose purpose is to sustain the use of such language, racist language, you're a racist.

Moreover, when your response is to point to someone else & declare "she said something bad too!" all you're doing is changing the subject. &, sorry, when you're accused of racism & what you want to do is change the subject, that doesn't lessen the fact of, or the significance of, your own words.

I don't know you; I don't know who you are; I don't know how you live, how you behave in the material world. No doubt people say things in an online forum without worrying about how thoroughly they actually agree with their own words -- for the simple reason that in a place like this one's words don't carry any obligations with them. So, I don't mean to call you -- the real "you" -- a racist.

But what you're spouting here? That's racism & no doubt about it.

[Ruzious]

How is calling Baltimore a crime infested city any more racist than tweeting ""It's all about the Benjamins baby" in regards to supporting Israel? She's had interviews at bookstores and others where she's talked rubbish as well.

She was talking about money influencing Politics. Weak sauce, but I knw you subscribe to right wing propaganda. What else do you have? Give me examples of her calling out a specific group. Don't give bookstore nonsense and right wing lies. Show me proof.

Even people in her own party called her out for her non stop talk.

Nevertheless, its an opinion just like calling Baltimore crime infested is, except a key thing, stats prove Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the country. She can't back up her points with any hard evidence such as murder rates, robberies, etc.

Baltimore is disgusting, and I'd venture to say most people on here dont nor wouldn't live there if they had a choice. So there's no talking point.

I was in Baltimore yesterday - had great food and a great time. Yeah, there's obviously too much crime in certain areas, but Baltimore's got a TON of things going for it. To just paint the whole city it as "disgusting" is a disgusting comment - literally and figuratively. My nephew just moved there - he loves it, and he's a lot smarter than you and I are.

[Ruzious]

Heck, Nancy Pelozi's from Baltimore. So are/were Thurgood Marshall, Billie Holliday, Eubie Blake, 'pac, John Waters, Kwesi Mfume, Al Kaline, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Jada, Reginald Lewis, Clarence Mitchell, Mo'Nique, Babe Ruth...

[doclinkin]

Baltimore is disgusting, and I'd venture to say most people on here dont nor wouldn't live there if they had a choice. So there's no talking point.

I'm up to Baltimore all the time. Its a great little city with kickass arts scene, great bars, and diehard sports fans. I rep DC sports, but have to admit I'm jealous of the loyalty and passion of their fanbase.

Baltimore is like Brooklyn was, before Brooklyn was full of grown 'kids' living on their parents money. It's got problems inasmuch as most American cities have problems once we no longer became producers of much. The primary business of Baltimore seems to the the ports, and now that shipping is owned by multinational corporations and the money gets shipped overseas and much of the work is automated and robotized there isn't really much in the way of industry there.

Yeah there are a lot of struggling families there who live as best they can in whatever way they can. If your president and his slumlord son in law actually cared about this country they would find a way to actually help working folks in American cities like B-more. Read the citations about the Kushnerville apartments. Where there were maggots in the carpets and sewage dripping through the ceilings and how many violations go reported and unchanged. If your president ahd a principled bone in his body he'd hear about that and instead of mocking the people who have no choice but to live there he would excoriate his daughters man and rip him a new hole to get him to fix the properties lived in my Americans who were born less fortunate than him. But his slumlord dad and Nazi grandfather were doing the same thing, so he won't.

But Baltimore and the entire District Maryland and Virginia area (the DMV) produce an unique culture of food and folks and basketball and football and a vibrant powerful scene that is under noticed in the national narrative because too much of the media is dominated by politics. If not for Baltimore and PG County and DC culture, you wouldn't be watching 10% of the NBA.

Here you are talking smack about a City you've only seen on the Wire or whatnot. But my favorite bookstore/comics store/bar combo is there. And there is a warehouse district with a maker space that churns out some insanely creative works of art. And a great traditional European Martial Arts school if you ever want to hit your buddies with large chunks of steel.

So frankly you don't know what the fxxk you're talking about, and if you don't want to get kicked in the teeth and find out how violent the East Coast can be you might just keep your weakass Mumbai Texas opinions to yourself about a place you know nothing about. Shoot. Call me violent, yeah, find out.



I'm clowning of course. But point being just because that human colostomy bag in the white house calls a place a shxthole, whether Baltimore or Haiti or El Salvador or india, doesn't mean you have to believe it.

[daoneandonly]

She was talking about money influencing Politics. Weak sauce, but I knw you subscribe to right wing propaganda. What else do you have? Give me examples of her calling out a specific group. Don't give bookstore nonsense and right wing lies. Show me proof.

Even people in her own party called her out for her non stop talk.

Nevertheless, its an opinion just like calling Baltimore crime infested is, except a key thing, stats prove Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the country. She can't back up her points with any hard evidence such as murder rates, robberies, etc.

Baltimore is disgusting, and I'd venture to say most people on here dont nor wouldn't live there if they had a choice. So there's no talking point.

I'm waiting. You said she was a racist. Now you're saying it was just talk.

You mean like the time u said no democrat ever advocated giving mass muderers the right to vote, and i showed u sanders did. Never quite got ur reply on that.

You view Trump's comment about a violent city as racist, i view her comments about a country she has no business talking about as racist. Doesnt make u right, doesnt make me right.

[JWizmentality]

Even people in her own party called her out for her non stop talk.

Nevertheless, its an opinion just like calling Baltimore crime infested is, except a key thing, stats prove Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the country. She can't back up her points with any hard evidence such as murder rates, robberies, etc.

Baltimore is disgusting, and I'd venture to say most people on here dont nor wouldn't live there if they had a choice. So there's no talking point.

I'm waiting. You said she was a racist. Now you're saying it was just talk.

You mean like the time u said no democrat ever advocated giving mass muderers the right to vote, and i showed u sanders did. Never quite got ur reply on that.

You view Trump's comment about a violent city as racist, i view her comments about a country she has no business talking about as racist. Doesnt make u right, doesnt make me right.

I'm sorry, did you ask me something that I missed? I don't peruse the boards as often as others. I can address that too. But what's your answer here? Because I didn't answer something unrelated you won't answer my question now? We've gone to she can't speak about this country or it's racist? You don't have anything do you? Truth is you have no idea why you're mad at Omar other than the speaky box told you to be right?

She has no right? She's an elected member of congress. How ignorant are you?

[queridiculo]

I was in Baltimore yesterday - had great food and a great time. Yeah, there's obviously too much crime in certain areas, but Baltimore's got a TON of things going for it. To just paint the whole city it as "disgusting" is a disgusting comment - literally and figuratively. My nephew just moved there - he loves it, and he's a lot smarter than you and I are.

I went to school in Baltimore, around 1998-2002.

Wouldn't be caught dead in certain places after dark, but I'll take living in Baltimore over sterile, make belief gated community ghetto's any day of the week.

The bars and restaurants of Canton and Fell's Point, the architecture of Mt. Vernon with it's many parks. Druid Hill with Rawlings Conservatory and the Baltimore Zoo, Patterson Park, the Patapsco Valley State Park.

Hop on the train and you're in New York in as little as 2.5 hours, day tripping Ocean City, camping Assateague State Park.

The city has got a ton going for it.

I'm sure the irony of Trump calling out Baltimore is lost on all the sycophants that support that evil bastard.

Didn't the orangutang one promise to bring back all those steel and manufacturing jobs that at some point attracted enough people to mae Baltimore the 6th biggest city in the USA?

[daoneandonly]

Baltimore is disgusting, and I'd venture to say most people on here dont nor wouldn't live there if they had a choice. So there's no talking point.

I'm up to Baltimore all the time. Its a great little city with kickass arts scene, great bars, and diehard sports fans. I rep DC sports, but have to admit I'm jealous of the loyalty and passion of their fanbase.

Baltimore is like Brooklyn was, before Brooklyn was full of grown 'kids' living on their parents money. It's got problems inasmuch as most American cities have problems once we no longer became producers of much. The primary business of Baltimore seems to the the ports, and now that shipping is owned by multinational corporations and the money gets shipped overseas and much of the work is automated and robotized there isn't really much in the way of industry there.

Yeah there are a lot of struggling families there who live as best they can in whatever way they can. If your president and his slumlord son in law actually cared about this country they would find a way to actually help working folks in American cities like B-more. Read the citations about the Kushnerville apartments. Where there were maggots in the carpets and sewage dripping through the ceilings and how many violations go reported and unchanged. If your president ahd a principled bone in his body he'd hear about that and instead of mocking the people who have no choice but to live there he would excoriate his daughters man and rip him a new hole to get him to fix the properties lived in my Americans who were born less fortunate than him. But his slumlord dad and Nazi grandfather were doing the same thing, so he won't.

But Baltimore and the entire District Maryland and Virginia area (the DMV) produce an unique culture of food and folks and basketball and football and a vibrant powerful scene that is under noticed in the national narrative because too much of the media is dominated by politics. If not for Baltimore and PG County and DC culture, you wouldn't be watching 10% of the NBA.

Here you are talking smack about a City you've only seen on the Wire or whatnot. But my favorite bookstore/comics store/bar combo is there. And there is a warehouse district with a maker space that churns out some insanely creative works of art. And a great traditional European Martial Arts school if you ever want to hit your buddies with large chunks of steel.

So frankly you don't know what the fxxk you're talking about, and if you don't want to get kicked in the teeth and find out how violent the East Coast can be you might just keep your weakass Mumbai Texas opinions to yourself about a place you know nothing about. Shoot. Call me violent, yeah, find out.



I'm clowning of course. But point being just because that human colostomy bag in the white house calls a place a shxthole, whether Baltimore or Haiti or El Salvador or india, doesn't mean you have to believe it.

Except i never watched the wire. I did however work at Hopkins for 5 years. Imagine getting harassed on a weekly basis just walking to ur car or going to lunch, having to look over ur shoulder constantly, yea its no picnic and doesn't happen in every city

[dckingsfan]

I was in Baltimore yesterday - had great food and a great time. Yeah, there's obviously too much crime in certain areas, but Baltimore's got a TON of things going for it. To just paint the whole city it as "disgusting" is a disgusting comment - literally and figuratively. My nephew just moved there - he loves it, and he's a lot smarter than you and I are.

I went to school in Baltimore, around 1998-2002.

Wouldn't be caught dead in certain places after dark, but I'll take living in Baltimore over sterile, make belief gated community ghetto's any day of the week.

The bars and restaurants of Canton and Fell's Point, the architecture of Mt. Vernon with it's many parks. Druid Hill with Rawlings Conservatory and the Baltimore Zoo, Patterson Park, the Patapsco Valley State Park.

Hop on the train and you're in New York in as little as 2.5 hours, day tripping Ocean City, camping Assateague State Park.

The city has got a ton going for it.

I'm sure the irony of Trump calling out Baltimore is lost on all the sycophants that support that evil bastard.

Didn't the orangutang one promise to bring back all those steel and manufacturing jobs that at some point attracted enough people to mae Baltimore the 6th biggest city in the USA?

You missed the aquarium or even better, the aquarium on the 4th of July.

[Ruzious]

I was in Baltimore yesterday - had great food and a great time. Yeah, there's obviously too much crime in certain areas, but Baltimore's got a TON of things going for it. To just paint the whole city it as "disgusting" is a disgusting comment - literally and figuratively. My nephew just moved there - he loves it, and he's a lot smarter than you and I are.

I went to school in Baltimore, around 1998-2002.

Wouldn't be caught dead in certain places after dark, but I'll take living in Baltimore over sterile, make belief gated community ghetto's any day of the week.

The bars and restaurants of Canton and Fell's Point, the architecture of Mt. Vernon with it's many parks. Druid Hill with Rawlings Conservatory and the Baltimore Zoo, Patterson Park, the Patapsco Valley State Park.

Hop on the train and you're in New York in as little as 2.5 hours, day tripping Ocean City, camping Assateague State Park.

The city has got a ton going for it.

I'm sure the irony of Trump calling out Baltimore is lost on all the sycophants that support that evil bastard.

Didn't the orangutang one promise to bring back all those steel and manufacturing jobs that at some point attracted enough people to mae Baltimore the 6th biggest city in the USA?

MD's so heavily Democratic that Trump doesn't give a rat's ass about it - that's his criteria for caring about people - Can he win the state? If not... they're totally dead to him. That's what's disgusting.

[Ruzious]

I was in Baltimore yesterday - had great food and a great time. Yeah, there's obviously too much crime in certain areas, but Baltimore's got a TON of things going for it. To just paint the whole city it as "disgusting" is a disgusting comment - literally and figuratively. My nephew just moved there - he loves it, and he's a lot smarter than you and I are.

I went to school in Baltimore, around 1998-2002.

Wouldn't be caught dead in certain places after dark, but I'll take living in Baltimore over sterile, make belief gated community ghetto's any day of the week.

The bars and restaurants of Canton and Fell's Point, the architecture of Mt. Vernon with it's many parks. Druid Hill with Rawlings Conservatory and the Baltimore Zoo, Patterson Park, the Patapsco Valley State Park.

Hop on the train and you're in New York in as little as 2.5 hours, day tripping Ocean City, camping Assateague State Park.

The city has got a ton going for it.

I'm sure the irony of Trump calling out Baltimore is lost on all the sycophants that support that evil bastard.

Didn't the orangutang one promise to bring back all those steel and manufacturing jobs that at some point attracted enough people to mae Baltimore the 6th biggest city in the USA?

You missed the aquarium or even better, the aquarium on the 4th of July.

Nice. And the Ravens are there, and the Orioles... um... and the Ravens are there.

[daoneandonly]

I'm waiting. You said she was a racist. Now you're saying it was just talk.

You mean like the time u said no democrat ever advocated giving mass muderers the right to vote, and i showed u sanders did. Never quite got ur reply on that.

You view Trump's comment about a violent city as racist, i view her comments about a country she has no business talking about as racist. Doesnt make u right, doesnt make me right.

I'm sorry, did you ask me something that I missed? I don't peruse the boards as often as others. I can address that too. But what's your answer here? Because I didn't answer something unrelated you won't answer my question now? We've gone to she can't speak about this country or it's racist? You don't have anything do you? Truth is you have no idea why you're mad at Omar other than the speaky box told you to be right?

She has no right? She's an elected member of congress. How ignorant are you?

Yet she only talks about that one country when it comes to corruption, conveniently leaving out others where there's even more shady dealings that have occured.

[pancakes3]

As awful as the racist rhetoric is, the sinister part of doling out racially charged red meat to his base is that the base is now acclimated to this new diet.

The base has completely bought into the narrative that Trump can't be racist, and Omar is a racebaiter and needs to shut up.

This is the new normal now. Trump can call Baltimore crime-infested, and unfit for human inhabitation, and he's just calling balls and strikes. And even if it was racist, that one tweet, that one junior congresswoman made in 2012 is flips the scales of justice, and it's the Dems that are racist.

[JWizmentality]

You mean like the time u said no democrat ever advocated giving mass muderers the right to vote, and i showed u sanders did. Never quite got ur reply on that.

You view Trump's comment about a violent city as racist, i view her comments about a country she has no business talking about as racist. Doesnt make u right, doesnt make me right.

I'm sorry, did you ask me something that I missed? I don't peruse the boards as often as others. I can address that too. But what's your answer here? Because I didn't answer something unrelated you won't answer my question now? We've gone to she can't speak about this country or it's racist? You don't have anything do you? Truth is you have no idea why you're mad at Omar other than the speaky box told you to be right?

She has no right? She's an elected member of congress. How ignorant are you?

Yet she only talks about that one country when it comes to corruption, conveniently leaving out others where there's even more shady dealings that have occured.

So she's a Countrycist? Glad we cleared that up.

[daoneandonly]

I'm sorry, did you ask me something that I missed? I don't peruse the boards as often as others. I can address that too. But what's your answer here? Because I didn't answer something unrelated you won't answer my question now? We've gone to she can't speak about this country or it's racist? You don't have anything do you? Truth is you have no idea why you're mad at Omar other than the speaky box told you to be right?

She has no right? She's an elected member of congress. How ignorant are you?

Yet she only talks about that one country when it comes to corruption, conveniently leaving out others where there's even more shady dealings that have occured.

So she's a Countrycist? Glad we cleared that up.

So Trump is what, a stateist? A cityist? Yeah very clear. Or just another left double standard

[TGW]

You mean like the time u said no democrat ever advocated giving mass muderers the right to vote, and i showed u sanders did. Never quite got ur reply on that.

You view Trump's comment about a violent city as racist, i view her comments about a country she has no business talking about as racist. Doesnt make u right, doesnt make me right.

I'm sorry, did you ask me something that I missed? I don't peruse the boards as often as others. I can address that too. But what's your answer here? Because I didn't answer something unrelated you won't answer my question now? We've gone to she can't speak about this country or it's racist? You don't have anything do you? Truth is you have no idea why you're mad at Omar other than the speaky box told you to be right?

She has no right? She's an elected member of congress. How ignorant are you?

Yet she only talks about that one country when it comes to corruption, conveniently leaving out others where there's even more shady dealings that have occured.

This is wrong (unsurprisingly).

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You need to turn off Faux News. It's destroying your brain, sir.

[Ruzious]

The racist pos in the WH doesn't even understand that Cummings doesn't represent Baltimore; he represents the State of Maryland in the US House of Representatives. He's not the Mayor of Baltimore, for God's sakes. He has no control over anything that happens in Baltimore. Regardless of the obvious racism in his attacks, the pos doesn't even seem to understand how states and cities are run in the United States. HE'S A F'ING IDIOT!!!

Not to mention his attacks on Baltimore are completely outrageous and un-American - regardless of whether or not his attacks on Cummings are - and they are.

There are so many episodes like this - each one on its own is not enough to impeach - but combined... I want the moron out of the WH, I want him out of my country... NOW. Get Trump the f out!!! How's that for a hat slogan.

[JWizmentality]

Yet she only talks about that one country when it comes to corruption, conveniently leaving out others where there's even more shady dealings that have occured.

So she's a Countrycist? Glad we cleared that up.

So Trump is what, a stateist? A cityist? Yeah very clear. Or just another left double standard

My god dude, at the very least try to keep up with your own train of thought.

I know Trump has said many ignorant things in the past that were clearly racist.