2019 NBA Offseason Discussion

[Outside]

It's amazing how under the radar the Warriors are. They shouldn't be title favorites, and I get that all the free-agent pairings are shiny and new, but people have just put them in the rear view mirror like they're done.

I also get how the new free-agent pairings makes this all about duos, but Utah is also flying under the radar just because they don't have an all-NBA duo. I'll take their balanced roster over multiple of these duos.

If not for the injury to Klay, they'd still absolutely be contenders. While a lot of the depth is gone, and they're older, Klay + Curry + Dray won 73 games a couple years ago.

And Bogut. And Barnes. And non-washed Iggy... I mean either of these guys' 2016 version would easily be their 4th best player when the season starts. Iggy and Bogut I might even have above Russell. Not to mention Livingston, Ezeli, Barbosa are all likely better than the 5-8 they have now.

Correct, they aren't the same team that won 73 games. 4-15 are different. But 1-3 still make an excellent core.

[Dupp]

Lebron and AD had taco Tuesday. Very important off season information.

[The High Cyde]

Lebron and AD had taco Tuesday. Very important off season information.

I seent it!

[ardee]

I attribute the rise of strength training in basketball to Jordan. I'm sure he wasn't the first to do it but it seems he brought it mainstream.

Among guards maybe. Karl Malone, David Robinson, Olajuwon, Charles Barkley were all of the same generation and took weight training way more seriously than MJ, started way earlier, and saw way more results with it, to say nothing of Shaq. Jordan was an outlier amongst guards at the time but absolutely not overall.

This picture never gets old.

[Dupp]

I attribute the rise of strength training in basketball to Jordan. I'm sure he wasn't the first to do it but it seems he brought it mainstream.

Among guards maybe. Karl Malone, David Robinson, Olajuwon, Charles Barkley were all of the same generation and took weight training way more seriously than MJ, started way earlier, and saw way more results with it, to say nothing of Shaq. Jordan was an outlier amongst guards at the time but absolutely not overall.

This picture never gets old.

Wilt... I remember Arnold talking about wilt being as strong as anyone in the gym and that was when he was winning mr Olympia.

[ardee]

Among guards maybe. Karl Malone, David Robinson, Olajuwon, Charles Barkley were all of the same generation and took weight training way more seriously than MJ, started way earlier, and saw way more results with it, to say nothing of Shaq. Jordan was an outlier amongst guards at the time but absolutely not overall.

This picture never gets old.

Wilt... I remember Arnold talking about wilt being as strong as anyone in the gym and that was when he was winning mr Olympia.

Yeah Wilt was a savage in the gym but I think Robinson's arms and shoulders here are the most jacked I've ever seen an NBA player look.

[Dupp]

This picture never gets old.

Wilt... I remember Arnold talking about wilt being as strong as anyone in the gym and that was when he was winning mr Olympia.

Yeah Wilt was a savage in the gym but I think Robinson's arms and shoulders here are the most jacked I've ever seen an NBA player look.

Yeah he has the best physique of an nba player no doubt

[ronnymac2]

What a turnaround Uncle Dennis has had. From my perspective, he went from a guy poisoning the ear of a candy-puff quitter, to being a legit Executive of the Year candidate for essentially building a title contender one year and then building another separate contender a year later with the same core piece.

I also had a misguided take on Kawhi. I was too harsh in naming him a quitter. He and Agent Dennis knew the gameplan. San Antonio is so boring. You never make money with purist fanatics; you make money with casual fans. Get to a big market. They did just that and then some, likely getting their beaks wet with some of that Balmer bullion under the table. Respect for manipulating an already polluted system to their advantage.

Finally, respect to the Spurs for hiring Tim Duncan. Love Pop's quote.

[E-Balla]

What a turnaround Uncle Dennis has had. From my perspective, he went from a guy poisoning the ear of a candy-puff quitter, to being a legit Executive of the Year candidate for essentially building a title contender one year and then building another separate contender a year later with the same core piece.

I also had a misguided take on Kawhi. I was too harsh in naming him a quitter. He and Agent Dennis knew the gameplan. San Antonio is so boring. You never make money with purist fanatics; you make money with casual fans. Get to a big market. They did just that and then some, likely getting their beaks wet with some of that Balmer bullion under the table. Respect for manipulating an already polluted system to their advantage.

Finally, respect to the Spurs for hiring Tim Duncan. Love Pop's quote.

Well the gameplan involved quitting on a team that could've contended for a championship so I don't think you were misguided at all.

[Clyde Frazier]

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Curry, Hield, Klay and Redick at their volume...

[Colbinii]

Is anyone else just not buying into the Clippers?

I feel like they have 2 major weaknesses; Rim Protection and playmaking. I can't remember a title team without at least one of these (and most teams have both).

[E-Balla]

Is anyone else just not buying into the Clippers?

I feel like they have 2 major weaknesses; Rim Protection and playmaking. I can't remember a title team without at least one of these (and most teams have both).

Was 2 months ago that far?

Lowry is a good playmaker, but he didn't really play like one in the playoffs so IDK if you can say they had good playmaking and their rim protection wasn't bad but wasn't good all year.

I do agree they need a true C outside of Zubac though. It's a major weakness but I think they'll trade for one midseason.

[Colbinii]

Is anyone else just not buying into the Clippers?

I feel like they have 2 major weaknesses; Rim Protection and playmaking. I can't remember a title team without at least one of these (and most teams have both).

Was 2 months ago that far?

Lowry is a good playmaker, but he didn't really play like one in the playoffs so IDK if you can say they had good playmaking and their rim protection wasn't bad but wasn't good all year.

I do agree they need a true C outside of Zubac though. It's a major weakness but I think they'll trade for one midseason.

I thought Lowry was fantastic as a floor general for the Raptors.

6.6 to 1.7 Ast/TO against 76ers
5.2 to 1.8 Ast/TO against MIL

Not only that but his ability to orchestrate and offense and play off ball dwarfs Beverly.

I see I am starting to devolve this into more than playmaking but I think an experienced general like Lowry who knows how an offense should function and how to distribute the ball will be surely missed in the Clippers Offense.

[E-Balla]

Is anyone else just not buying into the Clippers?

I feel like they have 2 major weaknesses; Rim Protection and playmaking. I can't remember a title team without at least one of these (and most teams have both).

Was 2 months ago that far?

Lowry is a good playmaker, but he didn't really play like one in the playoffs so IDK if you can say they had good playmaking and their rim protection wasn't bad but wasn't good all year.

I do agree they need a true C outside of Zubac though. It's a major weakness but I think they'll trade for one midseason.

I thought Lowry was fantastic as a floor general for the Raptors.

6.6 to 1.7 Ast/TO against 76ers
5.2 to 1.8 Ast/TO against MIL

Not only that but his ability to orchestrate and offense and play off ball dwarfs Beverly.

I see I am starting to devolve this into more than playmaking but I think an experienced general like Lowry who knows how an offense should function and how to distribute the ball will be surely missed in the Clippers Offense.

I do agree they'll be missing a veteran offensive player to keep PG and Kawhi in check since they're basically the 2 biggest ballhogs in the league.

[eminence]

Landry Shamet has got it on lock my dude.

[Dr Spaceman]

Draymond Green will end up the most underpaid player of all time by career earnings. His worth to the Warriors is that of a clear-cut MVP and yet he’s paid like the league’s 30th best player.

[freethedevil]

Is anyone else just not buying into the Clippers?

I feel like they have 2 major weaknesses; Rim Protection and playmaking. I can't remember a title team without at least one of these (and most teams have both).

Was 2 months ago that far?

Lowry is a good playmaker, but he didn't really play like one in the playoffs so IDK if you can say they had good playmaking and their rim protection wasn't bad but wasn't good all year.

I do agree they need a true C outside of Zubac though. It's a major weakness but I think they'll trade for one midseason.

This comment might make sense if lowry was their only playmaker, but the raptors had several good to elite playmakers. It was also why they were able to beat the bucks who were relying on giannis to be their whole offense. I'm also not sure what makes you think lowry "wasn't good" at playmaking in the playoffs. Even when he scored 0 points he was still posted a strong +/- and he posted the raptors second strongest offensive pipm despite not being close to a consistent scorer.


As for as box #"s a re concerned lowry had a very high assist to to ratio.

Unless we're defining "playmaking" differently i don't see how you figure toronto didn't have elite playmaking. Frankly, the last time i can think of a team winning without elite playamking would be the 2011 mavs.

[E-Balla]

Is anyone else just not buying into the Clippers?

I feel like they have 2 major weaknesses; Rim Protection and playmaking. I can't remember a title team without at least one of these (and most teams have both).

Was 2 months ago that far?

Lowry is a good playmaker, but he didn't really play like one in the playoffs so IDK if you can say they had good playmaking and their rim protection wasn't bad but wasn't good all year.

I do agree they need a true C outside of Zubac though. It's a major weakness but I think they'll trade for one midseason.

This comment might make sense if lowry was their only playmaker, but the raptors had several good to elite playmakers. It was also why they were able to beat the bucks who were relying on giannis to be their whole offense. I'm also not sure what makes you think lowry "wasn't good" at playmaking in the playoffs. Even when he scored 0 points he was still posted a strong +/- and he posted the raptors second strongest offensive pipm despite not being close to a consistent scorer.


As for as box #"s a re concerned lowry had a very high assist to to ratio.

Unless we're defining "playmaking" differently i don't see how you figure toronto didn't have elite playmaking. Frankly, the last time i can think of a team winning without elite playamking would be the 2011 mavs.

I think you mean something different than us by playmaking because I wouldn't call any team with Jason Kidd a team lacking playmaking.

[E-Balla]

Draymond Green will end up the most underpaid player of all time by career earnings. His worth to the Warriors is that of a clear-cut MVP and yet he’s paid like the league’s 30th best player.

Absurd contract. Golden State got themselves a good one.

[freethedevil]

Was 2 months ago that far?

Lowry is a good playmaker, but he didn't really play like one in the playoffs so IDK if you can say they had good playmaking and their rim protection wasn't bad but wasn't good all year.

I do agree they need a true C outside of Zubac though. It's a major weakness but I think they'll trade for one midseason.

This comment might make sense if lowry was their only playmaker, but the raptors had several good to elite playmakers. It was also why they were able to beat the bucks who were relying on giannis to be their whole offense. I'm also not sure what makes you think lowry "wasn't good" at playmaking in the playoffs. Even when he scored 0 points he was still posted a strong +/- and he posted the raptors second strongest offensive pipm despite not being close to a consistent scorer.


As for as box #"s a re concerned lowry had a very high assist to to ratio.

Unless we're defining "playmaking" differently i don't see how you figure toronto didn't have elite playmaking. Frankly, the last time i can think of a team winning without elite playamking would be the 2011 mavs.

I think you mean something different than us by playmaking because I wouldn't call any team with Jason Kidd a team lacking playmaking.

oh, i forgot he was on the mavs.

So then yeah, winning chips without elite playmakers is basically unprecedented.