CJ McCollum agreed to a three-year, $100 million extension with the Portland Trail Blazers, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
The agreement extends his current deal to five-years and $157 million.
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CJ McCollum agreed to a three-year, $100 million extension with the Portland Trail Blazers, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN.
The agreement extends his current deal to five-years and $157 million.
Adam Stern wrote:Wow. Didn't know McCollum was making that kind of money.
Sam195 wrote:Adam Stern wrote:Wow. Didn't know McCollum was making that kind of money.
He took a discount by signing this deal he definitely would get more money if he held out for his free agency. This deal likely will save Blazers millions in luxury tax depite the 4 year 196M supermax extension Lillard signed earlier this month.
Adam Stern wrote:Sam195 wrote:Adam Stern wrote:Wow. Didn't know McCollum was making that kind of money.
He took a discount by signing this deal he definitely would get more money if he held out for his free agency. This deal likely will save Blazers millions in luxury tax depite the 4 year 196M supermax extension Lillard signed earlier this month.
You really think McCollum could get more than the $30+ million a year he's getting now?
$40 million is franchise player money.
hyberx wrote:Not a good move for the team but something Portland has to do. McCollum is a very talented scorer but he is pretty much the same like Lillard, both small scoring guards and playing them together won't get you the ring. Pretty much like the Ws' Monta Ellis and Curry days, exciting to watch but that's it. That's why Portland got owned by the Ws time after time in the last few playoffs.
However they need to sign him to the extension as an asset if they eventually want to trade him.
Pickled Prunes wrote:Adam Stern wrote:Sam195 wrote:
He took a discount by signing this deal he definitely would get more money if he held out for his free agency. This deal likely will save Blazers millions in luxury tax depite the 4 year 196M supermax extension Lillard signed earlier this month.
You really think McCollum could get more than the $30+ million a year he's getting now?
$40 million is franchise player money.
This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
arasu wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:Adam Stern wrote:
You really think McCollum could get more than the $30+ million a year he's getting now?
$40 million is franchise player money.
This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
The max goes up with the cap, so yes, if he were to wait he could get more. If he signed as a fee agent starting with the '21-22 season, he would start at $36.5+ million with raises each year after. If he took a two year deal in '21-'22 and signed a long term deal going into '23-24, he would be eligible for the 10 year 35% max starting at $47+ million. As long as the cap keeps going up, max contracts will look smaller in comparison in future years. That's one reason why so many players have been more willing to take shorter deals.
I think this is a bit of an overpay, but if he stays healthy, it's not an albatross contract. This doesn't ruin the Blazers cap situation, and he will be very tradeable, if they go that route.
Pickled Prunes wrote:Adam Stern wrote:Sam195 wrote:
He took a discount by signing this deal he definitely would get more money if he held out for his free agency. This deal likely will save Blazers millions in luxury tax depite the 4 year 196M supermax extension Lillard signed earlier this month.
You really think McCollum could get more than the $30+ million a year he's getting now?
$40 million is franchise player money.
This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
USER0023942 wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:Adam Stern wrote:
You really think McCollum could get more than the $30+ million a year he's getting now?
$40 million is franchise player money.
This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
With Dame's contract, the terms of this extension wouldn't affect the cap at all. We are capped out. I'd rather have the MLE and McCollum versus some prospect on a rookie deal. At the very least it demonstrates the owner's willingness to pay luxury penalties to keep our stars. That is a good sign.
USER0023942 wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:Adam Stern wrote:
You really think McCollum could get more than the $30+ million a year he's getting now?
$40 million is franchise player money.
This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
With Dame's contract, the terms of this extension wouldn't affect the cap at all. We are capped out. I'd rather have the MLE and McCollum versus some prospect on a rookie deal. At the very least it demonstrates the owner's willingness to pay luxury penalties to keep our stars. That is a good sign.
arasu wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:Adam Stern wrote:
You really think McCollum could get more than the $30+ million a year he's getting now?
$40 million is franchise player money.
This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
The max goes up with the cap, so yes, if he were to wait he could get more. If he signed as a fee agent starting with the '21-22 season, he would start at $36.5+ million with raises each year after. If he took a two year deal in '21-'22 and signed a long term deal going into '23-24, he would be eligible for the 10 year 35% max starting at $47+ million. As long as the cap keeps going up, max contracts will look smaller in comparison in future years. That's one reason why so many players have been more willing to take shorter deals.
I think this is a bit of an overpay, but if he stays healthy, it's not an albatross contract. This doesn't ruin the Blazers cap situation, and he will be very tradeable, if they go that route.
Pickled Prunes wrote:arasu wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
The max goes up with the cap, so yes, if he were to wait he could get more. If he signed as a fee agent starting with the '21-22 season, he would start at $36.5+ million with raises each year after. If he took a two year deal in '21-'22 and signed a long term deal going into '23-24, he would be eligible for the 10 year 35% max starting at $47+ million. As long as the cap keeps going up, max contracts will look smaller in comparison in future years. That's one reason why so many players have been more willing to take shorter deals.
I think this is a bit of an overpay, but if he stays healthy, it's not an albatross contract. This doesn't ruin the Blazers cap situation, and he will be very tradeable, if they go that route.
You are correct, he could potentially get a few million more if he waited for the cap to go up but that has nothing to do with free agency. And since his value is more likely to go down than up, this is insurance for him. And since he isn't worth a 30% max at age 27 there is no need wondering if he could get a 35% max at 31. That wasn't going to happen either way and even CJ knows that. And while he is more tradeable than a guy like Wiggins, he is only tradeable to the most desperate of teams. This is not a team friendly deal. Lots of teams would like to have CJ but only a handful would want him at this price... and of those, which of them would send back something the Blazers would want. If this deal gets traded it will be for late picks and salary filler.
Pickled Prunes wrote:USER0023942 wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
With Dame's contract, the terms of this extension wouldn't affect the cap at all. We are capped out. I'd rather have the MLE and McCollum versus some prospect on a rookie deal. At the very least it demonstrates the owner's willingness to pay luxury penalties to keep our stars. That is a good sign.
First off, of course this will affect their cap going forward. They are capped out but with expiring deals in hand. If they denounce the Bird rights of Whiteside and Bazemore next summer they would be under the cap. That is assuming they don't trade one or both by the deadline.
As far as CJ's value, look at CJ's PER... I know people hat that stat, and it is flawed in many ways. It favors bigs that rebound but rarely shoot so it isn't real valuable when looking at players, particularly bigs, with limited playing time. It starts to get fuzzy with Vucevic at #9, but at the top you will find a list of true max players.
1) Giannis
2) Harden
3) AD
4) KAT
5) Jokic
6) Kawhi
7) Embiid
8) Lebron
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.
17) Dame
.
.
.
99) CJ
CJ is waaaay down that list! He does a few things very well, but he doesn't do enough things well to warrant this contract. Take a look at that list and tell me there is a player lower than #50 and over 25 years old that you would be happy to give a max deal to. A few players below #50 you might think about because of age and upside: Fox, Siakam, Mitchell, etc. But CJ doesn't have that upside; he is what he is.... and that is not a $33M player.
Sam195 wrote:arasu wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:This would be a 30% max deal, so he couldn't get more money. And since he's got two years left on his current deal, I don't believe he could get more years either. CJ isn't worth anything near that, and I'm a Blazer fan. Love the dude, but he's now officially a good player on a elite player contract. You can't have a player at his level eating a third of your cap space and expect to win anything. Not a good sign for Blazer fans!
The max goes up with the cap, so yes, if he were to wait he could get more. If he signed as a fee agent starting with the '21-22 season, he would start at $36.5+ million with raises each year after. If he took a two year deal in '21-'22 and signed a long term deal going into '23-24, he would be eligible for the 10 year 35% max starting at $47+ million. As long as the cap keeps going up, max contracts will look smaller in comparison in future years. That's one reason why so many players have been more willing to take shorter deals.
I think this is a bit of an overpay, but if he stays healthy, it's not an albatross contract. This doesn't ruin the Blazers cap situation, and he will be very tradeable, if they go that route.
Tobias Harris was offered a 4 year 90M contract extension after he rejected it Clippers shopped him for the best deal they could get by the trade deadline. Tobias landed in Philly and resigned for 5 years 180m which is exactly double the amount of guaranteed dollars he passed up last summer. Tobias like CJ has never been an allstar yet got paid more. If CJ was a ufa he could get whatever the max is from a team in the weaker eastern conference if Blazers didn't pay to retain him. We live in a world where a backup PG in Terry Rozier just got 3 years $60M from Hornets.
arasu wrote:Pickled Prunes wrote:USER0023942 wrote:
With Dame's contract, the terms of this extension wouldn't affect the cap at all. We are capped out. I'd rather have the MLE and McCollum versus some prospect on a rookie deal. At the very least it demonstrates the owner's willingness to pay luxury penalties to keep our stars. That is a good sign.
First off, of course this will affect their cap going forward. They are capped out but with expiring deals in hand. If they denounce the Bird rights of Whiteside and Bazemore next summer they would be under the cap. That is assuming they don't trade one or both by the deadline.
As far as CJ's value, look at CJ's PER... I know people hat that stat, and it is flawed in many ways. It favors bigs that rebound but rarely shoot so it isn't real valuable when looking at players, particularly bigs, with limited playing time. It starts to get fuzzy with Vucevic at #9, but at the top you will find a list of true max players.
1) Giannis
2) Harden
3) AD
4) KAT
5) Jokic
6) Kawhi
7) Embiid
8) Lebron
.
.
17) Dame
.
.
.
99) CJ
CJ is waaaay down that list! He does a few things very well, but he doesn't do enough things well to warrant this contract. Take a look at that list and tell me there is a player lower than #50 and over 25 years old that you would be happy to give a max deal to. A few players below #50 you might think about because of age and upside: Fox, Siakam, Mitchell, etc. But CJ doesn't have that upside; he is what he is.... and that is not a $33M player.
Shooters matter in this league. Like you mentioned, PER isn't a great stat, and it's less so because of the increased emphasis on shooting and away from bigs. So your list does't really translate to max players at all. Also the max isn't just for "franchise" players. The cap and max is set up so that contenders can have up to three full max players, or four near max players, or some combination of two max players and other well paid players, especially if a team is willing to pay the tax. 3rd tier players probably shouldn't get the full max, but many do. And as I mentioned in the other post, a constantly rising cap dwarfs those max contracts over time. Even a guy like Wiggins might not seem too overpaid in a year or two, if he can produce current production on an actual contender.