Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry?

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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#121 » by Rockice_24 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:28 pm

Lowery better not make the hall of fame. It would be a disgrace to the true NBA greats. Guy is a really solid player and scrappy as hell but HOF, na I'm good.

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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#122 » by The_Hater » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:44 pm

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SactoKingsFan wrote:Shawn Kemp, Tim Hardaway, Marques Johnson and Chris Webber.

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And none of them have a Ring so I guess that could put Lowry over


Rasheed?

Lowry might make it. It's not a lock though.


Lowry is far from a lock but would be very close to a Chauncey Billups level. But just looking at guards, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson and Sidney Moncrief are all bigger HOF omissions than Billups.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#123 » by The_Hater » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:47 pm

Rockice_24 wrote:Lowery better not make the hall of fame. It would be a disgrace to the true NBA greats. Guy is a really solid player and scrappy as hell but HOF, na I'm good.

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What an absolutely terrible post.

Calvin Murphy, KC Jones and Bill Bradley are in the HOF among others, take 5 minutes and go look at the career stats and accolades for each of those players.
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Nurse is below average at best.
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I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.


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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#124 » by Klayforspicy » Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:59 pm

He is the Ben Wallace of PGs. No stat is ever going to tell his story the right way.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#125 » by udfa » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:14 am

GusT15 wrote:
udfa wrote:I knew Lowry was underrated but I had no idea by how much. Besides having been an all-star the past five years, Lowry has been in the top-6 among PGs in RPM each of the past 6 seasons and has posted double digit WS in 4 of those 6 seasons...yet so many believe strongly that he doesn't belong in the top-10?


According to the current poll

46% has him 6-10
28% has him 11-30
26% has him 1-5

I mean,it's a pretty fair voting sample,the "overrating him" posters are the same as the "underrating him" posters.
Why are you singling one group out?


I was really talking about the thread comments as opposed to the poll. Many in the thread question whether he's even top-15 and one person went as far as to say that anyone who ranks him top-10 is "agenda driven and willfully ignoring the truth."
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#126 » by Feed Your Head » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:24 am

I'd expect him to start taking consistent steps back each season at this point, but I'd still have him in the 6-9 range, though probably closer to the latter for this upcoming season.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#127 » by Waylanderz » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:30 am

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Waylanderz wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:Fringe top 15. So based on the poll, top 20.


Looks like based on the poll he is top 10. :wink:


I wouldn’t put too much stock in a GB poll


Would you put stock in an NBA finals game 6 showing? :wink:
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#128 » by GeorgeMarcus » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:15 am

Waylanderz wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Waylanderz wrote:
Looks like based on the poll he is top 10. :wink:


I wouldn’t put too much stock in a GB poll


Would you put stock in an NBA finals game 6 showing? :wink:


Oh, so you think I’m anti-Lowry? That explains the confusion. Top 15 player, not PG. Keep up mate :wink:
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#129 » by moistnessfiscal » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:43 am

No. 1, in Canada, maybe the nba, just maybe
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#130 » by fianchetto » Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:02 am

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Cal And Jay wrote:I'm not a big fan of guards that can't create off the dribble and aren't dynamite from 3. Plus he doesn't have the quickest release. Top 30 for me, probably in the 22-23 range

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He's been taking 7 three-pointers per game for the past couple season at hitting at or close to 40% so I don't know who that's not dynamite from three. Majority of his points comes from threes. And don't forget this was with DeMar beside him with no floor spacing.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#131 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:02 am

mademan wrote:
dorkestra wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:Fringe top 15. So based on the poll, top 20.


Really? I cant name ten PGs over him.

In no order:
Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Kemba
Simmons

But then
Fox, Conley, and Trae Young are probably on a similar tier to Lowry IMO.


Curry/Lillard/Kyrie were better last year. Lowry has a case over every other point guard. If you stress playoffs a lot, you can drop Kyrie from that list


Why would you drop kyrie from the list when he has been significantly better then lowry in the playoffs for their career?

playoff kyrie:

24/5/3 on 45/40/88 - 56 TS%, 21.5 PER

playoff lowry:

15/6/4 on 42/35/79 - 54 TS%, 15.5 PER

did kyrie lay an egg vs. the bucks? sure... but lowry has laid a bunch of eggs in playoff serires.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#132 » by Wargreymon » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:39 am

Interesting how this thread somehow turned into a Kyrie vs Lowry debate... :roll:
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#133 » by RaptorPride » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:42 am

Prokorov wrote:
mademan wrote:
dorkestra wrote:
Really? I cant name ten PGs over him.

In no order:
Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Kemba
Simmons

But then
Fox, Conley, and Trae Young are probably on a similar tier to Lowry IMO.


Curry/Lillard/Kyrie were better last year. Lowry has a case over every other point guard. If you stress playoffs a lot, you can drop Kyrie from that list


Why would you drop kyrie from the list when he has been significantly better then lowry in the playoffs for their career?

playoff kyrie:

24/5/3 on 45/40/88 - 56 TS%, 21.5 PER

playoff lowry:

15/6/4 on 42/35/79 - 54 TS%, 15.5 PER

did kyrie lay an egg vs. the bucks? sure... but lowry has laid a bunch of eggs in playoff serires.


Now compare their defense
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#134 » by GeorgeMarcus » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:43 am

Prokorov wrote:
mademan wrote:
dorkestra wrote:
Really? I cant name ten PGs over him.

In no order:
Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Kemba
Simmons

But then
Fox, Conley, and Trae Young are probably on a similar tier to Lowry IMO.


Curry/Lillard/Kyrie were better last year. Lowry has a case over every other point guard. If you stress playoffs a lot, you can drop Kyrie from that list


Why would you drop kyrie from the list when he has been significantly better then lowry in the playoffs for their career?

playoff kyrie:

24/5/3 on 45/40/88 - 56 TS%, 21.5 PER

playoff lowry:

15/6/4 on 42/35/79 - 54 TS%, 15.5 PER

did kyrie lay an egg vs. the bucks? sure... but lowry has laid a bunch of eggs in playoff serires.


Your first problem is that you’re trying to measure Lowry in box stats. That’s like measuring Draymond in box stats. There’s a reason Lowry has been better than Kyrie in RPM/RAPM every year. He’s more complete/more seamless/and more conducive to a winning formula. I’d call that better.

The playoff Lowry narrative was always a hoax (contrived by ppgz people) but even if it wasn’t he put that to rest this year. Compared to Kyrie who stunk to high heaven.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#135 » by XxIronChainzxX » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:48 am

Prokorov wrote:
mademan wrote:
dorkestra wrote:
Really? I cant name ten PGs over him.

In no order:
Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Kemba
Simmons

But then
Fox, Conley, and Trae Young are probably on a similar tier to Lowry IMO.


Curry/Lillard/Kyrie were better last year. Lowry has a case over every other point guard. If you stress playoffs a lot, you can drop Kyrie from that list


Why would you drop kyrie from the list when he has been significantly better then lowry in the playoffs for their career?

playoff kyrie:

24/5/3 on 45/40/88 - 56 TS%, 21.5 PER

playoff lowry:

15/6/4 on 42/35/79 - 54 TS%, 15.5 PER

did kyrie lay an egg vs. the bucks? sure... but lowry has laid a bunch of eggs in playoff serires.


Give Lowry on his prime LeBron and he's in the Finals 3 straight year with better %s. Take Kyrie away from LeBron... and we've seen how that goes.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#136 » by benhillboy » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:02 am

I always was a fan. A lot of so called stars go to great lengths to avoid setting a decent screen. Kyle relishes it, at the PG position no less. I have to look no further than that to see his commitment to teammates and winning.
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#137 » by mademan » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:19 am

Prokorov wrote:
mademan wrote:
dorkestra wrote:
Really? I cant name ten PGs over him.

In no order:
Curry
Westbrook
Lillard
Kemba
Simmons

But then
Fox, Conley, and Trae Young are probably on a similar tier to Lowry IMO.


Curry/Lillard/Kyrie were better last year. Lowry has a case over every other point guard. If you stress playoffs a lot, you can drop Kyrie from that list


Why would you drop kyrie from the list when he has been significantly better then lowry in the playoffs for their career?

playoff kyrie:

24/5/3 on 45/40/88 - 56 TS%, 21.5 PER

playoff lowry:

15/6/4 on 42/35/79 - 54 TS%, 15.5 PER

did kyrie lay an egg vs. the bucks? sure... but lowry has laid a bunch of eggs in playoff serires.


My post clearly said last year. Why are you putting career's there?
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#138 » by Waylanderz » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:33 am

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Waylanderz wrote:
GeorgeMarcus wrote:
I wouldn’t put too much stock in a GB poll


Would you put stock in an NBA finals game 6 showing? :wink:


Oh, so you think I’m anti-Lowry? That explains the confusion. Top 15 player, not PG. Keep up mate :wink:


The Poll is for PG ranking? :wink:
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#139 » by Prokorov » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:28 pm

GeorgeMarcus wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
mademan wrote:
Curry/Lillard/Kyrie were better last year. Lowry has a case over every other point guard. If you stress playoffs a lot, you can drop Kyrie from that list


Why would you drop kyrie from the list when he has been significantly better then lowry in the playoffs for their career?

playoff kyrie:

24/5/3 on 45/40/88 - 56 TS%, 21.5 PER

playoff lowry:

15/6/4 on 42/35/79 - 54 TS%, 15.5 PER

did kyrie lay an egg vs. the bucks? sure... but lowry has laid a bunch of eggs in playoff serires.


Your first problem is that you’re trying to measure Lowry in box stats. That’s like measuring Draymond in box stats. There’s a reason Lowry has been better than Kyrie in RPM/RAPM every year. He’s more complete/more seamless/and more conducive to a winning formula. I’d call that better.

The playoff Lowry narrative was always a hoax (contrived by ppgz people) but even if it wasn’t he put that to rest this year. Compared to Kyrie who stunk to high heaven.


Hoax? so lowry shooting under 40% from the field in playoff series losses didnt really happen? several times?
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Re: Where do you guys rank Kyle Lowry? 

Post#140 » by ropjhk » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:40 pm

Top 10 PG sounds about right. He might slip to top 15 if his decline accelerates. He does all the little things that helps wins games but doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

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