YogurtProducer wrote:Once again, OG doesn’t shoot shots unless he’s guaranteed to hit them,
I mean its pretty obvious OG has been in a far better team situation than the other two. But
1) That's not necessarily true
2) Not something to penalize him for
Actually, we can just look up the stats on contested shots on NBA.com and look at that OGs looks pretty good again.
Yes, a lower % of his overall shots were contested but he was by far the best finisher at contested shots.
OG is not a finisher because he never slashes or posts up. He finishes open layups and shoots the occasional late clock 2. That’s it. He’s better at something Johnson also never does, and something RHJ does, but isn’t great at. There really isn’t any benefit to any of the 3 here, as none of them have proven they’re capable finishers in their career.
Not sure how you define finisher but my definition is pretty straight forward. Finishing at the rim which I already made my case on.
Also, the benefit is especially important for RHJ who functions much more as a big man than the other 2 taking a large volume of assisted shots in the paint and primarily being a roll man/rebounder.
OG also isn’t the most athletic, RHJ and Johnson are both solid athletes. OG is super unfluid and an awkward athlete. He isn’t overly fast, he isn’t overly latterly quick, and he isn’t overly strong. He isn’t negative in any area but he certainly isn’t elite either.
OG is definitely the best athlete.
His lateral quickness, explosiveness and vertical are far superior to the other 2
Stanley Johnson is not a solid athlete Stanley has 0 burst or explosion and is too heavy move quickly laterally all he has is strength.
RHJ I would call a solid athlete but he doesn't have the same vertical or lateral quickness that OG has.
OG doesn’t have the highest upside of the 3, it’s that simple. He has shown nothing that suggests he even has 1 highly above average skill (35% from 3 is below league average). Johnson has shown he can be an elite defender. RHJ has shown he can be an nice defender and rebounder at the 3/small 4. His per 36 in 2018 of 18/9/3/1/1 on 55TS% is more promising than OG’s first two campaigns as well.
I must have missed when Johnson showed he was an elite defender because I don't remember any such thing.
I find it interesting that you penalize OG for being on a good team and playing a smaller role but somehow RHJ getting to chuck shots on a bad team is some version of superior upside? Are you ignoring RHJ falling out of the rotation the very next year when the Nets actually became a decent team?
Those 2 have proven nothing and its why we have them on minimums or close to it
Once again, if OG was a Net or a Piston his entire career he’d be the guy who was looking to be signed to a 1 year reclamation project in 2021. Instead he got to chill and play to his strengths (defence) as a 5th option, a luxury these other two haven’t had in their careers. There’s a legitimate argument he wouldn’t have even been in our playoff rotation last year, as he doesn’t really bring anything to the table. His 35% from 3 is also below league average and that’s on primarily wide open shots. He isn’t some knockdown shooter.
Can't really judge prospects by some hypotheticals. OG isn't a knockdown shooter but he's an efficient 4th/5th option and a positive defender.
Again this argument falls apart when you consider OG was one of our better playoff performers last year and Stanley and RHJ both lost their places in their rotation on two worse playoffs teams. The pistons traded their only SF for Thon Maker, Stanley ended up on the Pelicans where he largely underperformed.
RHJ quite literally didnt make the rotation of the Nets which were barely a playoff team
People acting like OG is some outstanding prospect are kidding themselves. He’s a decent shooting, decent defending wing with no other skill to speak of. This isnt a future all star, this isn’t a future high level starter, and it might not even be a high level bench player.
Nobody here is acting like OG is some amazing prospect. It's more like he's a better one than 2 meh prospects. Who ironically seem to be the ones being overrated here.