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FluLikeSymptoms wrote:I slide Larry Bird over to the PF spot and call him the best PF ever. He started at PF for years and played there a lot afterward. Malone sure did put up numbers, though.
Raps in 4 wrote:binjumper wrote:Kevin Willis wrote:This is an old story, I remember this and being shocked about it at first - maybe when Cheryl entered the WNBA. I also remember other NBA players talking about it too and a news report or mini-documentary on it. Someone said it was a transferring of what he went through to his children. His father denied his mother's existence and she raised a tribe of kids on her own and he did the same to his kids, deny their existence.
It's hard to judge without knowing the complete story and the article is not giving a ton of information. More sensationalist. What I remember was it was consensual but underage which is wrong. He was worried the parents were being gold-diggers which the article alludes to also. His perception of the world is sort of warped from his childhood but he was never violent to people. The article discusses little on why he did what he did or it being generational, like having an abusive parent and hitting their own kids. The mini-documentary touched on it and that needs to be understood more. Saying that I never liked Malone as a person even when he was playing. He, like Barkley, seems like a person who is racist against black people. But I do respect his ability to play basketball and I didn't even know he reconciled with all his children which suggests growth. Remember Dr. J did the same thing with his daughter, we can't be selective on who we condemn or even if we have the right to condemn someone else.
None of that matters when you decide to have sex with a 13 year old girl when he was 17+. He should be in jail.
Is a 17 year-old having sex with a 13 year-old illegal? I don't think it is (and I'm sure it happens a lot in high schools as that's a grade 9 and grade 12 student).
But Malone was 20 in this case...
Raps in 4 wrote:FluLikeSymptoms wrote:I slide Larry Bird over to the PF spot and call him the best PF ever. He started at PF for years and played there a lot afterward. Malone sure did put up numbers, though.
You don't need to slide anyone over. Duncan and KG already have very strong cases over Malone for GOAT PF. You could even make a case for Dirk.
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:FluLikeSymptoms wrote:I slide Larry Bird over to the PF spot and call him the best PF ever. He started at PF for years and played there a lot afterward. Malone sure did put up numbers, though.
You don't need to slide anyone over. Duncan and KG already have very strong cases over Malone for GOAT PF. You could even make a case for Dirk.
Sure, Duncan or Bird. They’re in a class above the other guys, each arguably the best in the league for several years. The other guys mentioned never were that.
YogiStewart wrote:https://medium.com/@cross0328/karl-malone-the-scumbag-d7c91b0bf16c
Interesting read
Double Helix wrote:Malone has always been unlikable to me. This just added to it.
Anyone remember when Doug Gilmour had allegations like this? He ended up getting traded. Suit was dropped but many people still wonder.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/11/11/A-14-year-old-girl-and-her-parents-who-filed-a/1374595227600/
Raps in 4 wrote:FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:
You don't need to slide anyone over. Duncan and KG already have very strong cases over Malone for GOAT PF. You could even make a case for Dirk.
Sure, Duncan or Bird. They’re in a class above the other guys, each arguably the best in the league for several years. The other guys mentioned never were that.
KG is statistically one of the best PFs of all time, if not the best. He just spent the majority of his career on a bad team.
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Sure, Duncan or Bird. They’re in a class above the other guys, each arguably the best in the league for several years. The other guys mentioned never were that.
KG is statistically one of the best PFs of all time, if not the best. He just spent the majority of his career on a bad team.
Statistically, KG was nice. But he was never actually on Duncan’s level and this was proved over about a decade. Same with Dirk, CWebb, Pau, any PF in that era of great PFs. HOF but clearly behind Timmy. And a lot of KG’s teams were good in the reg season but they sure got smacked in the playoffs a lot.
Raps in 4 wrote:binjumper wrote:Kevin Willis wrote:This is an old story, I remember this and being shocked about it at first - maybe when Cheryl entered the WNBA. I also remember other NBA players talking about it too and a news report or mini-documentary on it. Someone said it was a transferring of what he went through to his children. His father denied his mother's existence and she raised a tribe of kids on her own and he did the same to his kids, deny their existence.
It's hard to judge without knowing the complete story and the article is not giving a ton of information. More sensationalist. What I remember was it was consensual but underage which is wrong. He was worried the parents were being gold-diggers which the article alludes to also. His perception of the world is sort of warped from his childhood but he was never violent to people. The article discusses little on why he did what he did or it being generational, like having an abusive parent and hitting their own kids. The mini-documentary touched on it and that needs to be understood more. Saying that I never liked Malone as a person even when he was playing. He, like Barkley, seems like a person who is racist against black people. But I do respect his ability to play basketball and I didn't even know he reconciled with all his children which suggests growth. Remember Dr. J did the same thing with his daughter, we can't be selective on who we condemn or even if we have the right to condemn someone else.
None of that matters when you decide to have sex with a 13 year old girl when he was 17+. He should be in jail.
Is a 17 year-old having sex with a 13 year-old illegal? I don't think it is (and I'm sure it happens a lot in high schools as that's a grade 9 and grade 12 student).
But Malone was 20 in this case...
Shaazzam wrote:I always considered Timmy a C.
Shaazzam wrote:I always considered Timmy a C.
OakleyDokely wrote:Shaazzam wrote:I always considered Timmy a C.
Timmy's an interesting case. He was primarily a PF during the first half of his career but he was almost exclusively a C during the 2nd half of his career. Over his entire career, he spent more minutes at C than at a PF. But his best individual seasons came during the first half of his career when he was primarily a PF.
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Shaazzam wrote:I always considered Timmy a C.
Pretty fair. Even in his first 9 seasons when he was a PF he still played a bunch of C, and then he played C for his last 12 seasons. He was a big and the real conversation in the late 90s-mid aughts was/is Duncan vs Shaq. Dedicated Kobe and KG fans still keep up the chatter but Duncan and Shaq were the actual best players while others had successful campaigns, the way LeBron and KD have been the actual best players while others have had successful campaigns.OakleyDokely wrote:Shaazzam wrote:I always considered Timmy a C.
Timmy's an interesting case. He was primarily a PF during the first half of his career but he was almost exclusively a C during the 2nd half of his career. Over his entire career, he spent more minutes at C than at a PF. But his best individual seasons came during the first half of his career when he was primarily a PF.
True. His numbers after the move to C didn’t budge much, though.
OakleyDokely wrote:FluLikeSymptoms wrote:Shaazzam wrote:I always considered Timmy a C.
Pretty fair. Even in his first 9 seasons when he was a PF he still played a bunch of C, and then he played C for his last 12 seasons. He was a big and the real conversation in the late 90s-mid aughts was/is Duncan vs Shaq. Dedicated Kobe and KG fans still keep up the chatter but Duncan and Shaq were the actual best players while others had successful campaigns, the way LeBron and KD have been the actual best players while others have had successful campaigns.OakleyDokely wrote:
Timmy's an interesting case. He was primarily a PF during the first half of his career but he was almost exclusively a C during the 2nd half of his career. Over his entire career, he spent more minutes at C than at a PF. But his best individual seasons came during the first half of his career when he was primarily a PF.
True. His numbers after the move to C didn’t budge much, though.
Even in his last season as a 39 year old, he was well above average. The guy could've kept playing well into his 40s..
props to Turbo_Zone 
