stormi wrote:Paul George is so much better than Jimmy Butler that it's a no brainer for me, and I love Shai
Agreed, plus you never know what kind of attitude or locker room guy Jimmy is.
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stormi wrote:Paul George is so much better than Jimmy Butler that it's a no brainer for me, and I love Shai
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
Prokorov wrote:Vae Victus wrote:I'm a bit bored and i'm wondering what board consensus would be on this hypothetical scenario.
Lets say if Butler was willing to be 2nd banana to Kawhi and Kawhi is happy with that arrangements and outright signs with LAC.= to begin the team up.
If Butler comes to LAC for cap (or S&T), lets say Gallo + 2 SRPs for pure cap space goes out, SGA stays, and Kawhi signs for cap as well. Rest of the moves plays out similarly.
C - Zubac, Harrell, Kabengle
PF- Green, Harkless? (this likely wouldnt happen unless S&T shenanigans was involved in getting Butler from PHI)
SF- Kawhi, JRobinson, MacGruder
SG- Butler, Lou Will, Shamet
PG- SGA, PatBev, Mann
Kawhi plays some PF if the other team goes small at that spot. Butler can slide to 3 when that happens. Clips are thin at PF, unless Kabengele steps up in a big way, or Zubac + Harrell both can play 30+ mins without hurting spacing.
As you can see it's basically a Butler + SGA vs PG13 + Harkless? situation. I'm not gonna factor in draft picks as that makes picking the Butler + SGA combo too easy, imo. Let's just say, for next season, which move would be better. Which Clipper team would be stronger?
this isnt close. butler alone is much better then PG. then add SGA?
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
Mylie10 wrote:stormi wrote:Paul George is so much better than Jimmy Butler that it's a no brainer for me, and I love Shai
I like George way better. And I really like the guys they drafted in Kabengele and Mann who I think is a total diamond in the rough.
I watched Mann completely shut down Ja Morant in the Tourney. I'm talking only when he guarded Ja. Nobody else can stop him. But I see Mann as a sg/SF.
Anyhow, I think they are happy how it worked out and I think George fits the locker room better than Butler would.
TheNewEra wrote:Not Suave Rico wrote:Doesn't seem the Clippers front office wanted anything to do with Butler. I don't believe they even reached out to his people even though he expressed interest in the team just last year.
I really want to find out more about this someday. Butler expressed major interest in the team around the time he was traded so what happen. How did he go from interest to there being no talk at all about him going to the clippers in free agency?
Did the front office give him the cold shoulder and if they did wtf why ? If Presti doesn’t bite we are assed out with no second star but we were ready to give money to Morris?
Mamba Mentality wrote:Obviously the better scenario is the one in which they retain Shai. Remember this is the same guy that the Clippers weren't willing to trade for AD...amazing what a fear of a Lakers dynasty will make you do.
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.
Prokorov wrote:Vae Victus wrote:I'm a bit bored and i'm wondering what board consensus would be on this hypothetical scenario.
Lets say if Butler was willing to be 2nd banana to Kawhi and Kawhi is happy with that arrangements and outright signs with LAC.= to begin the team up.
If Butler comes to LAC for cap (or S&T), lets say Gallo + 2 SRPs for pure cap space goes out, SGA stays, and Kawhi signs for cap as well. Rest of the moves plays out similarly.
C - Zubac, Harrell, Kabengle
PF- Green, Harkless? (this likely wouldnt happen unless S&T shenanigans was involved in getting Butler from PHI)
SF- Kawhi, JRobinson, MacGruder
SG- Butler, Lou Will, Shamet
PG- SGA, PatBev, Mann
Kawhi plays some PF if the other team goes small at that spot. Butler can slide to 3 when that happens. Clips are thin at PF, unless Kabengele steps up in a big way, or Zubac + Harrell both can play 30+ mins without hurting spacing.
As you can see it's basically a Butler + SGA vs PG13 + Harkless? situation. I'm not gonna factor in draft picks as that makes picking the Butler + SGA combo too easy, imo. Let's just say, for next season, which move would be better. Which Clipper team would be stronger?
this isnt close. butler alone is much better then PG. then add SGA?
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.
JN61 wrote:Prokorov wrote:Vae Victus wrote:I'm a bit bored and i'm wondering what board consensus would be on this hypothetical scenario.
Lets say if Butler was willing to be 2nd banana to Kawhi and Kawhi is happy with that arrangements and outright signs with LAC.= to begin the team up.
If Butler comes to LAC for cap (or S&T), lets say Gallo + 2 SRPs for pure cap space goes out, SGA stays, and Kawhi signs for cap as well. Rest of the moves plays out similarly.
C - Zubac, Harrell, Kabengle
PF- Green, Harkless? (this likely wouldnt happen unless S&T shenanigans was involved in getting Butler from PHI)
SF- Kawhi, JRobinson, MacGruder
SG- Butler, Lou Will, Shamet
PG- SGA, PatBev, Mann
Kawhi plays some PF if the other team goes small at that spot. Butler can slide to 3 when that happens. Clips are thin at PF, unless Kabengele steps up in a big way, or Zubac + Harrell both can play 30+ mins without hurting spacing.
As you can see it's basically a Butler + SGA vs PG13 + Harkless? situation. I'm not gonna factor in draft picks as that makes picking the Butler + SGA combo too easy, imo. Let's just say, for next season, which move would be better. Which Clipper team would be stronger?
this isnt close. butler alone is much better then PG. then add SGA?
George played better offense and better defense than Butler last year, so not sure about your statement.
Prokorov wrote:JN61 wrote:Prokorov wrote:
this isnt close. butler alone is much better then PG. then add SGA?
George played better offense and better defense than Butler last year, so not sure about your statement.
nope. not close. George is the most empty stats player of our generation. gets everything at the expense of the team and his defense is at best average.
Pennebaker wrote:And Bird did it while being a defensive liability. But he also made All-Defensive teams, which was another controversial issue regarding Bird and votes.
QRich3 wrote:I actually think it was really smart on their part to not want anything to do with Butler. They traded away a better player in Griffin because he made too much money and was not good enough. They weren't about to turn around a give more money to a worse player of the same age, who came with attitude problems too.
Mamba Mentality wrote:Obviously the better scenario is the one in which they retain Shai. Remember this is the same guy that the Clippers weren't willing to trade for AD...amazing what a fear of a Lakers dynasty will make you do.
QRich3 wrote:When you have the luck to get to the point of being a contender, you're not in the business of gathering assets or winning trades anymore. It's a once in a generation opportunity and you should do everything in your power to bring yourself closer to it. So if you have to pay two 1st round picks for a 34 year old role player that's gonna give you 15MPG (totally made up hypothetical scenario), but that gets you considerably closer to a championship, you do that otherwise horrible trade in a heartbeat.
In that regard, the price for getting George was insane. But George is a clearly better player than Butler and he gets you closer to winning a championship, so that's undeniably the better choice. Not to mention he's gonna be much less of a headache and he's the first (1A 1B with Kawhi) all NBA type of player that's willingly gone out of his way to come here. That gives you a lot more security than committing to pay 34 year old Butler $38M.Mylie10 wrote:stormi wrote:Paul George is so much better than Jimmy Butler that it's a no brainer for me, and I love Shai
I like George way better. And I really like the guys they drafted in Kabengele and Mann who I think is a total diamond in the rough.
I watched Mann completely shut down Ja Morant in the Tourney. I'm talking only when he guarded Ja. Nobody else can stop him. But I see Mann as a sg/SF.
Anyhow, I think they are happy how it worked out and I think George fits the locker room better than Butler would.
Mann's looked amazing in summer league too, I worry his offense is way too rough to get playing time in the real NBA, but apparently Jerry West is convinced he'll be a core part of the rotation by year's end. Excited to watch how he evolves.
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ken6199 wrote:ClipsFanSince98 wrote:If you want a 5 year title window (or closer to one) PG/Harkless. If you want to be better for the next year or two, maybe Butler and SGA. Good question though. I see PG aging much better than Butler and having less injury problems. If the draft assets were factored I take Butler/SGA in a landslide. Just these 4 players though I take PG/Harkless by a small edge.
Disagree on this. The (assumed) slower decline in PG does not offset the ballhandling of SGA who I see will develop into a really solid, above average starting PG. Butler's alpha dog mentality actually will work pretty well in the current LAC culture.
Mamba Mentality wrote:Obviously the better scenario is the one in which they retain Shai. Remember this is the same guy that the Clippers weren't willing to trade for AD...amazing what a fear of a Lakers dynasty will make you do.
Forte IV wrote:It's definitely a hard question. Paul George was arguably the best player in basketball for a few weeks there last year. SGA is gonna be a stud. But 4 year max for Butler makes me pick Paul George every day. PG's game is gonna age way better than Jimmys.