2019 Badger Football - Rose Bowl Lead Up

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Not really true...


https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-athletic-department-s-recruiting-expenses-difficult-to-pinpoint/article_a9518241-ae22-5036-8da3-9fbea8883b80.html

Everything in there you can "yea, but" you can do with every other university. I absolutely believe Wisconsin goes cheap on recruiting, just like they do with everything else.

As a Badger fan, this pisses me off. As a human being, good-they should go cheap on sports-Colleges shouldn't be in the sports business to the extent it takes away from other experiences^. I'm kind of torn

^Insert someone smarter than me to show whether UW Football is a net positive or negative when factoring true number and intangibles on the quality of students attracted.

[chonestown]

Not really true...


https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-athletic-department-s-recruiting-expenses-difficult-to-pinpoint/article_a9518241-ae22-5036-8da3-9fbea8883b80.html

Everything in there you can "yea, but" you can do with every other university. I absolutely believe Wisconsin goes cheap on recruiting, just like they do with everything else.

As a Badger fan, this pisses me off. As a human being, good-they should go cheap on sports-Colleges shouldn't be in the sports business to the extent it takes away from other experiences^. I'm kind of torn

^Insert someone smarter than me to show whether UW Football is a net positive or negative when factoring true number and intangibles on the quality of students attracted.

This is the right opinion.

[Kerb Hohl]

Not really true...


https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-athletic-department-s-recruiting-expenses-difficult-to-pinpoint/article_a9518241-ae22-5036-8da3-9fbea8883b80.html

Everything in there you can "yea, but" you can do with every other university. I absolutely believe Wisconsin goes cheap on recruiting, just like they do with everything else.

As a Badger fan, this pisses me off. As a human being, good-they should go cheap on sports-Colleges shouldn't be in the sports business to the extent it takes away from other experiences^. I'm kind of torn

^Insert someone smarter than me to show whether UW Football is a net positive or negative when factoring true number and intangibles on the quality of students attracted.

First of all, I will repeat that the data is off. There’s not a chance in hell that UW is at the bottom. The article I linked is about the fact that everyone accounts it differently...UW has a private jet donated to them and some of their recruiting efforts go under different categories.

I seriously do not understand how one could believe a team as successful as UW is doing this by going the budget route. There are plenty of articles that put them in the top revenue AND spending schools in the nation.

All of that said, I think college athletics are a bit of a neutral expense. The football and basketball teams pay for basically the rest of the athletic department, which provides a lot of scholarship opportunities. They return some to the school and it provides advertising for the school. A lot of the huge things like the private jet are from donations. Barry Alvarez and coaches get fat salaries but I guess the idea is, would this money be flowing in without the sports?

That said, yeah, there are people donating to the football team instead of building a new chemistry building and things like that. That said on that...I’m not sure UW itself is hard up on this. I’m now 10 years removed and I didn’t recognize campus about 2 years later with like 10 new buildings. I guess maybe more of this cash theoretically from football could go to other state schools or something.

[Kerb Hohl]

I will agree that UW is “cheap” in that it spends in the top 20 nationally but does not basically only focus its school’s spending efforts on football like an SEC school.

So, yeah. Dave Aranda got lured away for $1.3 million to be a coordinator. They aren’t in that stratosphere but they do spend big.

Things may be changing with ADs swimming in BTN money but that does not mean they’ve fallen to the bottom.

[ReasonablySober]

Not really true...


https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-athletic-department-s-recruiting-expenses-difficult-to-pinpoint/article_a9518241-ae22-5036-8da3-9fbea8883b80.html

From that article:

UW athletic director Barry Alvarez said a private individual provides a plane for the Badgers’ football and men’s basketball teams to use for recruiting.

That expense — a very costly one — does not factor into the athletic department’s budget while saving UW money on commercial flights.

That’s just one way the bottom-line number can be skewed.

From the NCAA:

The NCAA defines recruiting costs as including “transportation, lodging and meals for prospective student-athletes and institutional personnel on official and unofficial visits,” and the “value of use of institution’s own vehicles or airplanes as well as in-kind value of loaned or contributed transportation.”

[Kerb Hohl]

Not really true...


https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-athletic-department-s-recruiting-expenses-difficult-to-pinpoint/article_a9518241-ae22-5036-8da3-9fbea8883b80.html

From that article:

UW athletic director Barry Alvarez said a private individual provides a plane for the Badgers’ football and men’s basketball teams to use for recruiting.

That expense — a very costly one — does not factor into the athletic department’s budget while saving UW money on commercial flights.

That’s just one way the bottom-line number can be skewed.

From the NCAA:

The NCAA defines recruiting costs as including “transportation, lodging and meals for prospective student-athletes and institutional personnel on official and unofficial visits,” and the “value of use of institution’s own vehicles or airplanes as well as in-kind value of loaned or contributed transportation.”

I mean unless things have drastically changed recently, this is also from the article:

Chryst said when he was the head coach at Pittsburgh, all transportation expenses were filed into one item and not related to the recruiting budget.

So it seems like some schools for whatever reason can and do file this expense under another category or maybe get away with not filing it at all.

I don't know how much further I'll dig into that but they do spend a lot of money on athletics.

Also, the one from the NCAA adds "on official and unofficial visits." That may just mean the expenses they have to pay for a kid to come up and visit the school. It is FOR perspective students, not the costs associated with transporting a coach around.

[ReasonablySober]

Not really true...


https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/football/badgers-football-athletic-department-s-recruiting-expenses-difficult-to-pinpoint/article_a9518241-ae22-5036-8da3-9fbea8883b80.html

From that article:

UW athletic director Barry Alvarez said a private individual provides a plane for the Badgers’ football and men’s basketball teams to use for recruiting.

That expense — a very costly one — does not factor into the athletic department’s budget while saving UW money on commercial flights.

That’s just one way the bottom-line number can be skewed.

From the NCAA:

The NCAA defines recruiting costs as including “transportation, lodging and meals for prospective student-athletes and institutional personnel on official and unofficial visits,” and the “value of use of institution’s own vehicles or airplanes as well as in-kind value of loaned or contributed transportation.”

I mean unless things have drastically changed recently, this is also from the article:

Chryst said when he was the head coach at Pittsburgh, all transportation expenses were filed into one item and not related to the recruiting budget.

So it seems like some schools for whatever reason can and do file this expense under another category or maybe get away with not filing it at all.

I don't know how much further I'll dig into that but they do spend a lot of money on athletics.

I mean, yea, of course. Just not relative to other perennial top 25 programs in football and basketball.

[Kerb Hohl]

From that article:



From the NCAA:

I mean unless things have drastically changed recently, this is also from the article:

Chryst said when he was the head coach at Pittsburgh, all transportation expenses were filed into one item and not related to the recruiting budget.

So it seems like some schools for whatever reason can and do file this expense under another category or maybe get away with not filing it at all.

I don't know how much further I'll dig into that but they do spend a lot of money on athletics.

I mean, yea, of course. Just not relative to other perennial top 25 programs in football and basketball.

Google exists, bro.

https://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2017/08/which_schools_spend_the_most_on_college_football_where_does_syracuse_rank.html

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2018/09/11/college-footballs-most-valuable-teams/#4870fde66c64

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2018/09/13/see-it-now-these-football-programs-cost-more-than.html#g/441407/14

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/6/11/17441968/ncaa-revenue-expense-statistics-college-basketball-2016-gonzaga-mid-major

It appears from aggregating articles that they spend about the 15th most in both sports.

That's not bad considering schools like Duke spend 2x as much on basketball but spends less on its football team.

The NCAA finances one says they spend the 10th most in the nation on their athletics department.

[Kerb Hohl]

Also, I later added this, but from reading what is described as recruiting expenses in that article, I believe that the airfare for sending coaches all over the country doesn't have to fit on there. It is only necessary to account for recruiting if you bring a recruit up your campus...of which, you can only have so many of those visits and I'd imagine is a very small percentage of cost for all of those schools.

[Ryan5UW]

Edit: Never mind... not even worth getting into this ridiculous conversation...

[ReasonablySober]

I mean unless things have drastically changed recently, this is also from the article:



So it seems like some schools for whatever reason can and do file this expense under another category or maybe get away with not filing it at all.

I don't know how much further I'll dig into that but they do spend a lot of money on athletics.

I mean, yea, of course. Just not relative to other perennial top 25 programs in football and basketball.

Google exists, bro.

https://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2017/08/which_schools_spend_the_most_on_college_football_where_does_syracuse_rank.html

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2018/09/11/college-footballs-most-valuable-teams/#4870fde66c64

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2018/09/13/see-it-now-these-football-programs-cost-more-than.html#g/441407/14

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/6/11/17441968/ncaa-revenue-expense-statistics-college-basketball-2016-gonzaga-mid-major

It appears from aggregating articles that they spend about the 15th most in both sports.

That's not bad considering schools like Duke spend 2x as much on basketball but spends less on its football team.

The NCAA finances one says they spend the 10th most in the nation on their athletics department.

I should have worded what I said differently, because of the pertinent discussion. They don't spend a lot of money on recruiting relative to other top programs.

[Kerb Hohl]

26th in the nation in total assistant comp:

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant?hootPostID=1705f6bd471fed62709d2492e0c5247d

50th in the nation in 2018 recruiting expenses based on what the NCAA financial reporting:

https://watchstadium.com/news/this-is-how-much-it-costs-to-land-one-of-college-footballs-top-recruiting-classes-07-24-2019/

I'm sure there are a bunch of caveats and what-ifs that will get thrown out there to try and paint a different picture. My response to all of them: is Wisconsin the ONLY school out there that might report/account things slightly differently?

I literally just sent total spending. That's the entire picture! The differences in recruiting accounting (one section) get cancelled out when you have to report your entire department cost.

They probably pay quite a bit on facilities and staff that is not just assistant football coaches, which, yes, they actually have cheaped out on but have been proven right for letting said coaches go basically every time.

[Kerb Hohl]

I mean, yea, of course. Just not relative to other perennial top 25 programs in football and basketball.

Google exists, bro.

https://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2017/08/which_schools_spend_the_most_on_college_football_where_does_syracuse_rank.html

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2018/09/11/college-footballs-most-valuable-teams/#4870fde66c64

https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2018/09/13/see-it-now-these-football-programs-cost-more-than.html#g/441407/14

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2018/6/11/17441968/ncaa-revenue-expense-statistics-college-basketball-2016-gonzaga-mid-major

It appears from aggregating articles that they spend about the 15th most in both sports.

That's not bad considering schools like Duke spend 2x as much on basketball but spends less on its football team.

The NCAA finances one says they spend the 10th most in the nation on their athletics department.

I should have worded what I said differently, because of the pertinent discussion. They don't spend a lot of money on recruiting relative to other top programs.

They do! They probably just lump costs associated with it into another department.

I like that you've conflated the idea that they don't get 1-and-dones in baketball and stud QBs regularly in football because of recruiting spending. They spend a lot on recruiting probably (not accounted the same) to overcome the disadvantage they have of being nowhere near all of the football talent and not paying the top 20 "shoe guy" basketball players.

You've been looking for your own reasons under every rock as to why Wisconsin generally lands at #10-15 (which isn't bad, but some think it's not good enough) every year in both sports when I am giving you the actual reason right now.

What do you think they're spending money on in those figures that have them top 10-15 (in spending) if it's not on recruiting or at the very least other useful things such as facilities or staff? Concessions stands?

[Ryan5UW]

26th in the nation in total assistant comp:

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant?hootPostID=1705f6bd471fed62709d2492e0c5247d

50th in the nation in 2018 recruiting expenses based on what the NCAA financial reporting:

https://watchstadium.com/news/this-is-how-much-it-costs-to-land-one-of-college-footballs-top-recruiting-classes-07-24-2019/

I'm sure there are a bunch of caveats and what-ifs that will get thrown out there to try and paint a different picture. My response to all of them: is Wisconsin the ONLY school out there that might report/account things slightly differently?

I literally just sent total spending. That's the entire picture! The differences in recruiting accounting (one section) get cancelled out when you have to report your entire department cost.

They probably pay quite a bit on facilities and staff that is not just assistant football coaches, which, yes, they actually have cheaped out on but have been proven right for letting said coaches go basically every time.

Dude... calm the **** down. I didn't even seen that you said that. I wasn't replying directly to anything you had posted anyway.

ETA: this is exactly why I edited/deleted what I had posted before your reply was posted...

[trwi7]

Wouldn't be the start of some Badger season without Kerb getting super defensive about something.

[Kerb Hohl]

Wouldn't be the start of some Badger season without Kerb getting super defensive about something.

Also isn’t a Badger season on RealGM without the starting point on all threads by 90% of the fans convincing themselves that we all cheer for a Rutgers-caliber program.

[Kerb Hohl]

26th in the nation in total assistant comp:

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant?hootPostID=1705f6bd471fed62709d2492e0c5247d

50th in the nation in 2018 recruiting expenses based on what the NCAA financial reporting:

https://watchstadium.com/news/this-is-how-much-it-costs-to-land-one-of-college-footballs-top-recruiting-classes-07-24-2019/

I'm sure there are a bunch of caveats and what-ifs that will get thrown out there to try and paint a different picture. My response to all of them: is Wisconsin the ONLY school out there that might report/account things slightly differently?

I literally just sent total spending. That's the entire picture! The differences in recruiting accounting (one section) get cancelled out when you have to report your entire department cost.

They probably pay quite a bit on facilities and staff that is not just assistant football coaches, which, yes, they actually have cheaped out on but have been proven right for letting said coaches go basically every time.

Dude... calm the **** down. I didn't even seen that you said that. I wasn't replying directly to anything you had posted anyway.

ETA: this is exactly why I edited/deleted what I had posted before your reply was posted...

[Mags FTW]

Wouldn't be the start of some Badger season without Kerb getting super defensive about something.

I'm 95% sure Kerb is Buckingham Badger

[Kerb Hohl]

Wouldn't be the start of some Badger season without Kerb getting super defensive about something.

I'm 95% sure Kerb is Buckingham Badger

It’s a very “I’m paid/endorsed by the university” thing to defend that they’re about the 10th-15th best program in both sports when...that’s exactly what they are.

Anyways, I’ll truly try to be less on that brand this year.