The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[remi_222]

And that's all on him. He needs to win that spot. If he doesn't want it or isn't good enough to win it, he doesn't deserve his contract. He should certainly get some burn alongside DSJ early in the season, but either way if he doesn't ball out he might not be an NBA player.

Also - this is the future of the NBA, just like back when high schoolers were allowed. When they were in the past there were tons of Frank-like picks that were made entirely on what might or might not happen in x number of years.

Last year, we invested heavily in Mudiay, even though we knew he wasn't going to be here this season. This year, we'll be investing heavily in Payton, even though he won't be here in a year. Frank will be glued to the bench, while Knox, RJ, Trier and DS Jr will be allowed to chuck at will.

We could have seasoned Frank in the G-league for two years but this is our "plan".

I agree 100% about that. Frank should have been in the g league from day one. We would have known one way or the other a long time ago what he's worth.

Again, ppl dont understand!!!! thats crazy to not understand it !!!
Frank isnt the type of player you want in unorganized bball ! and what is G-League ? the Kingdom of unorganized bball !

[Kampuchea]

there's a lot of fighting over nothing in here. i mean, he's not gonna really play. it's a numbers thing and there's just too many people in front of him. whether you think he has promise or not doesn't even matter.

And that's all on him. He needs to win that spot. If he doesn't want it or isn't good enough to win it, he doesn't deserve his contract. He should certainly get some burn alongside DSJ early in the season, but either way if he doesn't ball out he might not be an NBA player.

Also - this is the future of the NBA, just like back when high schoolers were allowed. When they were in the past there were tons of Frank-like picks that were made entirely on what might or might not happen in x number of years.

Last year, we invested heavily in Mudiay, even though we knew he wasn't going to be here this season. This year, we'll be investing heavily in Payton, even though he won't be here in a year. Frank will be glued to the bench, while Knox, RJ, Trier and DS Jr will be allowed to chuck at will.

We could have seasoned Frank in the G-league for two years but this is our "plan".

This is what I don't want to happen. I understand if Payton is playing to start the season but if we are out of the playoffs by second half of the season we should be getting our youth more minutes. I think we were starting to do that and Frank got injured last year, I remember Kanter getting angry when we started to focus on development.

[NYKAL]

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we've seen this before lol

[iLLmatic860]

Why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that Frank was dealing with injuries last season.

Frank earned a starting role and got hurt. Then when he came back he dealt with a groin injury.

[GONYK]

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we've seen this before lol

Iman Shumpert entered the league at 21 and was pretty much a full time starter for us.

If Frank got that kind of opportunity, I don't think people would be complaining.

Frank should have gotten the same leash as Knox. We would have less questions now.

[god shammgod]

Why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that Frank was dealing with injuries last season.

Frank earned a starting role and got hurt. Then when he came back he dealt with a groin injury.

as someone who aint anti-frank, this never happened.

once they signed payton it was over for frank this year. if they wanted to give frank a good look they wouldn't have done it.

[GONYK]

Why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that Frank was dealing with injuries last season.

Frank earned a starting role and got hurt. Then when he came back he dealt with a groin injury.

as someone who aint anti-frank, this never happened.

once they signed payton it was over for frank this year. if they wanted to give frank a good look they wouldn't have done it.

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

[god shammgod]

Why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that Frank was dealing with injuries last season.

Frank earned a starting role and got hurt. Then when he came back he dealt with a groin injury.

as someone who aint anti-frank, this never happened.

once they signed payton it was over for frank this year. if they wanted to give frank a good look they wouldn't have done it.

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

no idea. i guess nobody is offering anything much and they keep holding him until someone does/ he improves more. without enough minutes though nothing will likely change on that front.

[iLLmatic860]

Why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that Frank was dealing with injuries last season.

Frank earned a starting role and got hurt. Then when he came back he dealt with a groin injury.

as someone who aint anti-frank, this never happened.

once they signed payton it was over for frank this year. if they wanted to give frank a good look they wouldn't have done it.

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

Shamgod i meant he got the starting role and then he got injured shortly after. Then he dealt with groin injuries


I think they consider Frank as a project so they value him. They clearly have been shopping him and I know theirs been teams interested. Maybe they just dont feel like got good enough offers. If he plays well I wouldnt be surprised if we traded him

[GONYK]

as someone who aint anti-frank, this never happened.

once they signed payton it was over for frank this year. if they wanted to give frank a good look they wouldn't have done it.

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

Shamgod i meant he got the starting role and then he got injured shortly after. Then he dealt with groin injuries


I think they consider Frank as a project so they value him. They clearly have been shopping him and I know theirs been teams interested. Maybe they just dont feel like got good enough offers. If he plays well I wouldnt be surprised if we traded him

This is kind of my point. They value him enough not to unload him for a 2nd. That suggests they see him as worth developing.

They don't value him enough to actually develop him though and give him minutes. So why not take the 2nd?

[BeagleBoss]

Why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that Frank was dealing with injuries last season.

Frank earned a starting role and got hurt. Then when he came back he dealt with a groin injury.

as someone who aint anti-frank, this never happened.

once they signed payton it was over for frank this year. if they wanted to give frank a good look they wouldn't have done it.

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

Cause Ntilikina has no value. We couldn't even get a 2nd rounder for him. Nobody is going to pay $6M for the worst offensive player in the league. Doesn't matter how good his defense is. Players who cannot contribute on offense cannot play in today's league.

[iLLmatic860]

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

Shamgod i meant he got the starting role and then he got injured shortly after. Then he dealt with groin injuries


I think they consider Frank as a project so they value him. They clearly have been shopping him and I know theirs been teams interested. Maybe they just dont feel like got good enough offers. If he plays well I wouldnt be surprised if we traded him

This is kind of my point. They value him enough not to unload him for a 2nd. That suggests they see him as worth developing.

They don't value him enough to actually develop him though and give him minutes. So why not take the 2nd?

He battled injuries last season lol

[Kampuchea]

Entering the season with DSJ and Frank as the only PGs (Trier as emergency) would have been a bad idea.

[GONYK]

as someone who aint anti-frank, this never happened.

once they signed payton it was over for frank this year. if they wanted to give frank a good look they wouldn't have done it.

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

Cause Ntilikina has no value. We couldn't even get a 2nd rounder for him. Nobody is going to pay $6M for the worst offensive player in the league. Doesn't matter how good his defense is. Players who cannot contribute on offense cannot play in today's league.

This is wrong. We already know that Orlando is very interested. They aren't trading nothing.

We chose not to trade him for a 2nd or similar low value.

[GONYK]

Shamgod i meant he got the starting role and then he got injured shortly after. Then he dealt with groin injuries


I think they consider Frank as a project so they value him. They clearly have been shopping him and I know theirs been teams interested. Maybe they just dont feel like got good enough offers. If he plays well I wouldnt be surprised if we traded him

This is kind of my point. They value him enough not to unload him for a 2nd. That suggests they see him as worth developing.

They don't value him enough to actually develop him though and give him minutes. So why not take the 2nd?

He battled injuries last season lol

Injuries aside, none of the other young players were getting healthy scratches 3-4 games at a time.

[god shammgod]

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

Shamgod i meant he got the starting role and then he got injured shortly after. Then he dealt with groin injuries


I think they consider Frank as a project so they value him. They clearly have been shopping him and I know theirs been teams interested. Maybe they just dont feel like got good enough offers. If he plays well I wouldnt be surprised if we traded him

This is kind of my point. They value him enough not to unload him for a 2nd. That suggests they see him as worth developing.

They don't value him enough to actually develop him though and give him minutes. So why not take the 2nd?

to me it just suggests that the used a lottery pick on him and want to get something back worthwhile for that investment. not that they value him, they don't treat him like they do. they probably are after a 1st or someone else's lottery pick that hasn't worked out. like fultz or someone like that.

[GONYK]

Shamgod i meant he got the starting role and then he got injured shortly after. Then he dealt with groin injuries


I think they consider Frank as a project so they value him. They clearly have been shopping him and I know theirs been teams interested. Maybe they just dont feel like got good enough offers. If he plays well I wouldnt be surprised if we traded him

This is kind of my point. They value him enough not to unload him for a 2nd. That suggests they see him as worth developing.

They don't value him enough to actually develop him though and give him minutes. So why not take the 2nd?

to me it just suggests that the used a lottery pick on him and want to get something back worthwhile for that investment. not that they value him, they don't treat him like they do. they probably are after a 1st or someone else's lottery pick that hasn't worked out. like fultz or someone like that.

Can't rehab an asset if you don't invest in it. So I'm not sure what the strategy is for that.

[god shammgod]

Entering the season with DSJ and Frank as the only PGs (Trier as emergency) would have been a bad idea.

the spot they used for payton could have went to a vet or a g-league type like russell. someone who wasn't guaranteed minutes but could play if he had to.

[BeagleBoss]

I don't disagree.

It does beg the question though: Why are they holding on to him?

Cause Ntilikina has no value. We couldn't even get a 2nd rounder for him. Nobody is going to pay $6M for the worst offensive player in the league. Doesn't matter how good his defense is. Players who cannot contribute on offense cannot play in today's league.

This is wrong. We already know that Orlando is very interested. They aren't trading nothing.

We chose not to trade him for a 2nd or similar low value.

If Orlando really wanted him, I think they could have had him for their 2nd rounder (46th). Logic says they didn't want to spend almost $5M on a player when you can get the same level of player for a non-guaranteed rookie contract at 46.

[god shammgod]

This is kind of my point. They value him enough not to unload him for a 2nd. That suggests they see him as worth developing.

They don't value him enough to actually develop him though and give him minutes. So why not take the 2nd?

to me it just suggests that the used a lottery pick on him and want to get something back worthwhile for that investment. not that they value him, they don't treat him like they do. they probably are after a 1st or someone else's lottery pick that hasn't worked out. like fultz or someone like that.

Can't rehab an asset if you don't invest in it. So I'm not sure what the strategy is for that.

yep. like i said, without playing him this aint likely to change. but there's no reason for them to do it now either, unless they just want to be nice to him.