Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Season

[HartfordWhalers]

New season, new thread.

Post here if you are a fan of some other team, and want to see what people think of a swap, if you are a fan of the Sixers, and have an idea to make the team better, etc.

Have fun, we have certainly had a few people propose trades that have happened over the years.

[LloydFree]

Inevitable trade of the year:

D'Angelo Russell will be traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Robert Covington and Jeff Teague at the Deadline. The T'wolves will get to pair Russell with friend Karl Towns. The Warriors will set up for the playoff run with Curry, Thompson, Covington, and Draymond.

[Kobblehead]

Once we're able to move him, we should send Neto to Minnesota for Bates-Diop.

We need a F-sized defender that can hit a shot.

[the_process]

Inevitable trade of the year:

D'Angelo Russell will be traded to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Robert Covington and Jeff Teague at the Deadline. The T'wolves will get to pair Russell with friend Karl Towns. The Warriors will set up for the playoff run with Curry, Thompson, Covington, and Draymond.

I think it’s almost as inevitable that Rosas will find a sucker (looking at Charlotte) who takes on Wiggins.

[smittybanton]

Fair warning: My trade target for this season is Kris Dunn. Pages and pages of explanation and strategizing to come.

Ben Simmons, Josh Richardson, Tobias Harris, Al Horford, Joel Embiid
Kris Dunn, Matisse Thybulle, James Ennis, Mike Scott, Kyle OQuinn

[smittybanton]

The very best teams, the legitimate title contendors have had starting level backups, particularly at the guard spot. Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP. Shaun Livingston was extremely valuable to the Warriors. Fred Van Vleet is ready to takeover for Kyle Lowry in Toronto if you ask me. I also think Norman Powell has game.

Who amongst the Sixers bench would be ready to start at the one or the two if--heaven forbid--ben simmons or josh richardson misses time during an important stretch? Ben runs the point. Josh guards it. If either were to miss time, I'd be happy to see Zhaire Smith or Matisse Thybulle get valuable experience. But it is not a formula for winning a chip. Similarly, I'm not all that enthused about Shake Milton, Raul Neto or Trey Burke being our backup, much less if they had to start.

The guy we need, the borderline starter who can play behind either Josh or Ben is Chicago's 6'4, 200lb Kris Dunn.

He's not as good a distributor and penetrator as Ben Simmons. He doesnt catch and shoot as well as Josh Richardson. But considering he hit 35% of his 3pts and 79% of his free throws last year, considering his 2:1 assist to turnover ratio, and considering his career 2.25stls/36min, Kris Dunn is the ideal backup guard fo rthe Sixers.

Going into Dunn's contract year, the Bulls drafted Coby White in the top 10 and then traded two 2nd round picks for Tomas Satoransky before giving him $30m. Considering how Zach Lavine is a lock at the two, I'd not be surprised if the Bulls move Dunn's expiring contract before the regular season. If the Bulls were to hold onto him this year like the Wizards held onto Satoransky last year, they could probably get those two second round picks back in exchange for relinquishing their right to match. So its not out of the question the Sixers could pry him from Chicago right now for those picks and a wing player, since the Bulls need small forwards in the most desperate way.

No, I would absolutely not part with Matisse Thybulle. Yes, I certainly would package picks with a guy at the end of the bench like Shake Milton or Jonah Bolden or Shayock. So the question in my mind is whether getting Kris Dunn is worth giving up Zhaire Smith, who could be developed as a cheaper version of Zach Lavine, allowing them to perhaps move the 'flawed star' and recoup his capspace sooner than later?

I am certain the vast majority of Sixers fans would not part with Zhaire. After Brett Brown compared him to Kawhi Leonard, how could we possibly move him for an expiring contract?

I have been fighting the feeling for awhile that Zhaire is not going to become the basketball player a lot of folks expect. But I suspect his wild athleticism is not accompanied by much basketball savvy. In a sense, he reminds me of Wade Baldwin, who a lot of statistically disposed people thought was wildly underrated. Like Zhaire, Baldwin's body was phenomenal--6'4, cock diesel, dumb long arms. As a point guard he protected the rock and had a decent assist to turnover ratio. He also shot very well from 3pt. What was not to like? Well, when I watched him, he just sort of played paint-by-numbers. There was no real wiggle to his game, no extraordinary vision. Just a guy who fit the mold. And he bounced out of the league with the quickness. Meanwhile, Dejounte Murray was being panned by the analytics crowd because the numbers gave no indication of how wicked his handle is, nor how much he gets up in your shirt without reaching for steals all the time.

I'm not down on Zhaire like I was on Baldwin, and I'm not one who thinks Kris Dunn will be as good as a healthy Dejounte Murray. But the analogy is there. At 6'4, Zhaire has to be a ballhandler and point guard defender in the league. And I just don't think he's exceptional at either.

Despite his unbelievable hops, he does not finish through traffic or contact well at all. All the highlight dunks you see are when he catches his man napping or he's out on the break. With the ball in his hands, Zhaire too often dribbles into nowhere then brings it back out to the perimeter; wasting precious time. Matisse Thybulle on the other hand shoots, passes or makes a move to the cup immediately. And the worst part is that I dont see Zhaire as a ball pressure menace. Yes, when he gets beat he has the ability to get chase down blocks from behind. But the idea is not to get there in the first place by keeping his man in front of him.

I'm sorry, but without more, I feel we drafted Gerald Green--who has been a decent NBA player for ten years, but never impactful. Let me also ask, with matisse and ennis and mike scott on the wings, when and where is zhaire going to play and develop his game?

If Elton Brand was bold enough to trade the next Kevin Martin (Landry Shamet), I dont think he should be scared to let Zhaire go for Kris Dunn. Elton Brand hand selected Matisse Thybulle, James Ennis, Mike Scott and Kyle Oquinn. Missing is a backup point guard he truly believes in, is my guess. That guy is Kris Dunn and he should be in a Sixers uniform before the end of the season.

Ben Simmons, Josh Richardson, Tobias Harris, Al Hroford, Joel Embiid
Kris Dunn, Matisse Thybule, James Ennis, Mike Scott, Kyle Oquinn
Neto/Burke, Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz, Jonah Bolden, Norvelle Pelle

[Chris76]

The very best teams, the legitimate title contendors have had starting level backups, particularly at the guard spot. Andre Igoudala won the Finals MVP. Shaun Livingston was extremely valuable to the Warriors. Fred Van Vleet is ready to takeover for Kyle Lowry in Toronto if you ask me. I also think Norman Powell has game.

Who amongst the Sixers bench would be ready to start at the one or the two if--heaven forbid--ben simmons or josh richardson misses time during an important stretch? Ben runs the point. Josh guards it. If either were to miss time, I'd be happy to see Zhaire Smith or Matisse Thybulle get valuable experience. But it is not a formula for winning a chip. Similarly, I'm not all that enthused about Shake Milton, Raul Neto or Trey Burke being our backup, much less if they had to start.

The guy we need, the borderline starter who can play behind either Josh or Ben is Chicago's 6'4, 200lb Kris Dunn.

He's not as good a distributor and penetrator as Ben Simmons. He doesnt catch and shoot as well as Josh Richardson. But considering he hit 35% of his 3pts and 79% of his free throws last year, considering his 2:1 assist to turnover ratio, and considering his career 2.25stls/36min, Kris Dunn is the ideal backup guard fo rthe Sixers.

Going into Dunn's contract year, the Bulls drafted Coby White in the top 10 and then traded two 2nd round picks for Tomas Satoransky before giving him $30m. Considering how Zach Lavine is a lock at the two, I'd not be surprised if the Bulls move Dunn's expiring contract before the regular season. If the Bulls were to hold onto him this year like the Wizards held onto Satoransky last year, they could probably get those two second round picks back in exchange for relinquishing their right to match. So its not out of the question the Sixers could pry him from Chicago right now for those picks and a wing player, since the Bulls need small forwards in the most desperate way.

No, I would absolutely not part with Matisse Thybulle. Yes, I certainly would package picks with a guy at the end of the bench like Shake Milton or Jonah Bolden or Shayock. So the question in my mind is whether getting Kris Dunn is worth giving up Zhaire Smith, who could be developed as a cheaper version of Zach Lavine, allowing them to perhaps move the 'flawed star' and recoup his capspace sooner than later?

I am certain the vast majority of Sixers fans would not part with Zhaire. After Brett Brown compared him to Kawhi Leonard, how could we possibly move him for an expiring contract?

I have been fighting the feeling for awhile that Zhaire is not going to become the basketball player a lot of folks expect. But I suspect his wild athleticism is not accompanied by much basketball savvy. In a sense, he reminds me of Wade Baldwin, who a lot of statistically disposed people thought was wildly underrated. Like Zhaire, Baldwin's body was phenomenal--6'4, cock diesel, dumb long arms. As a point guard he protected the rock and had a decent assist to turnover ratio. He also shot very well from 3pt. What was not to like? Well, when I watched him, he just sort of played paint-by-numbers. There was no real wiggle to his game, no extraordinary vision. Just a guy who fit the mold. And he bounced out of the league with the quickness. Meanwhile, Dejounte Murray was being panned by the analytics crowd because the numbers gave no indication of how wicked his handle is, nor how much he gets up in your shirt without reaching for steals all the time.

I'm not down on Zhaire like I was on Baldwin, and I'm not one who thinks Kris Dunn will be as good as a healthy Dejounte Murray. But the analogy is there. At 6'4, Zhaire has to be a ballhandler and point guard defender in the league. And I just don't think he's exceptional at either.

Despite his unbelievable hops, he does not finish through traffic or contact well at all. All the highlight dunks you see are when he catches his man napping or he's out on the break. With the ball in his hands, Zhaire too often dribbles into nowhere then brings it back out to the perimeter; wasting precious time. Matisse Thybulle on the other hand shoots, passes or makes a move to the cup immediately. And the worst part is that I dont see Zhaire as a ball pressure menace. Yes, when he gets beat he has the ability to get chase down blocks from behind. But the idea is not to get there in the first place by keeping his man in front of him.

I'm sorry, but without more, I feel we drafted Gerald Green--who has been a decent NBA player for ten years, but never impactful. Let me also ask, with matisse and ennis and mike scott on the wings, when and where is zhaire going to play and develop his game?

If Elton Brand was bold enough to trade the next Kevin Martin (Landry Shamet), I dont think he should be scared to let Zhaire go for Kris Dunn. Elton Brand hand selected Matisse Thybulle, James Ennis, Mike Scott and Kyle Oquinn. Missing is a backup point guard he truly believes in, is my guess. That guy is Kris Dunn and he should be in a Sixers uniform before the end of the season.

Ben Simmons, Josh Richardson, Tobias Harris, Al Hroford, Joel Embiid
Kris Dunn, Matisse Thybule, James Ennis, Mike Scott, Kyle Oquinn
Neto/Burke, Shake Milton, Furkan Korkmaz, Jonah Bolden, Norvelle Pelle

Well written. It might be too soon to trade Zhaire. I agree he needs to be a defensive specialist to defend quick guards, an Avery Bradley type player.

Zhaire looked more calm play making in some instances, recently. He must be learning some new skills, since he mainly was a PF. It may take some time.

I like to see a small ball, defensive group:

Richardson
Zhaire
Thybulle
Simmons
Horford

I like Kris Dunn and he would be a nice target. However, I would like to see if Neto, Burke, or Zhaire can fill the backup PG role or have Richardson be the backup play maker before making a trade.

[Kobblehead]

But considering he hit 35% of his 3pts and 79% of his free throws last year

Fake numbers inflated with ridiculously low volume.

Kris Dunn made 34 threes in 46 games last year. He's a spacing zero. He attempts 2.6 threes per-36.

Also, shooting 79% at the free throw line was a fluke. He attempts just 1.5 free throws per game. Kris Dunn shot 69% from the line on 423 attempts in college and 72% on his 242 NBA attempts.

Kris Dunn is a spacing zero that can't shoot and outright incompetent offensive player (47% true shooting in 176 games).

[the_process]

I think that everyone knew, or should have known, going in that Zhaire was a project. And while I agree Zhaire needs to be a guard in this league and that might take more time than you’d really like to develop, they also signed stop gaps to cover for the fact Zhaire may not be ready to contribute this year. It’s not a make or break for him yet. Therefore I couldn’t trade him for just Kris Dunn, who isn’t as good as you’re making him sound. If there was a way to get Chandler Hutchison into the deal as well, however, then it could be something worth exploring.

[51X3RF4N]

Zhaire is going to surprise with how well he defends on the wing and how well he adapts to a catch and shoot player.

Height doesn't change his role.

He will be a 3&D wing player. Not a PG.

[Chris76]

Zhaire is going to surprise with how well he defends on the wing and how well he adapts to a catch and shoot player.

Height doesn't change his role.

He will be a 3&D wing player. Not a PG.

I agree Zhaire could be a very good wing player, but playing with Ben he could defend quick Pgs.

Avery Bradley made it difficult for Curry to get open, hopefully Richardson, Zhaire, and maybe Thybulle could fill that role, too.

[Kobblehead]

If we're going to trade Zhaire, flip him back to Phoenix and bring Mikal Bridges home.

Adding a rotation-ready 6'7" 210 pound F with elite defense and excellent shooting might be what puts us over the top.

[tsmith]

If we're going to trade Zhaire, flip him back to Phoenix and bring Mikal Bridges home.

Adding a rotation-ready 6'7" 210 pound F with elite defense and excellent shooting might be what puts us over the top.

Was about to say no way Phoenix does Smith for Bridges after they did Smith and a first for Bridges but they'd probably be the only team who would.

[Kobblehead]

Adding Kelly Oubre and Cam Johnson to the wings might make them a little more open to moving Bridges.

As a rebuilding team, they have all the time in the world to wait on Zhaire Smith to materialize.

[Kobblehead]

Unrealistic, but what would a Bradley Beal package from us look like?

[smittybanton]

n.o. has 2,000 guards. never been a big fan of frank jackson. but as a 3rd pg with upside, he's bigger and stronger and more athletic than neto or burke--if the sixers are interested in a chucker off the bench. a second round pick for josh hart?

[smittybanton]

The Case for Josh Hart.

Sixers need a backup point guard who can maintain our defensive presence, stretch the floor and play above the rim. I am not satisfied with Raul Neto, Trey Burke or Shake Milton. Josh Richardson is a better backup point guard than they are. And I'd still like someone better than them behind Josh, just in case either Ben or JRich stubs their toe. I have made the case for Kris Dunn. Now is the case for Josh Hart.

He's not listed as a point guard, but neither is Josh Richardson. Like Richardson, he has some experience there. According to Basketball Reference, Josh Hart played 10% of his minutes at the point last year. And if Kyle Oquinn is going to dish out dimes like a poor man's jokic, then a combo guard is maybe all we need. Elton Brand's acquisitions are all above average defenders who can also dribble shoot and pass. They are long and can play above the rim. Al Horford, Josh Richardson, Matisse Thybulle, Kyle Oquinn. Even Tobias Harris as our primary shooter is longer and a better defender than JJ Redick.

At 6'5, Josh Hart fits the mold. His offensive numbers were better his rookie year than last year. But most important to me is that per-36minutes, Josh Hart averaged 1.2 steals and .8blocks. A championship caliber NBA team needs borderline starters coming off the bench. Hart has started over 20gms his first two years in the league. At 24, his game is mature, yet with room to grow. And of course, as an NCAA champion from Villanova, he would be a fan favorite I'm sure.

Josh Hart should be available given the Pelicans are overloaded at both guard spots: Jrue Holiday, JJ Redick, Lonzo Ball, Nickeil Alexander Walker, Etwaun Moore, Frank Jackson, Kenrich Williams. There aren't minutes for all of them. They also have Brandon Ingram and Nicole Melli along with Zion, so there's only so much room for three guard lineups. So, I think the former #30pick in the draft shouldn't cost more than a 2nd round pick.

Ben Simmons, Josh Richardson, Tobias Harris, Al Horford, Joel Embiid
Josh Hart, Matisse Thybulle, James Ennis, Mike Scott, Kyle Oquinn

[the_process]

If the Pels will take a 2nd or two plus Neto for Hart, then yes I agree it should be done.

I don’t see NO biting on that, though.

[Kobblehead]

Josh Hart isn't notably better than what we have so I'm not sure he's worth the cost of acquisition or assimilation effort.

Besides, other than basketball IQ, almost all of his traits are in the C grade range.

[LloydFree]

If the Pels will take a 2nd or two plus Neto for Hart, then yes I agree it should be done.

I don’t see NO biting on that, though.

I'd do that. I'd resist giving the '20 Atlanta 2nd though.