The Next Official All things Frank Ntilikina Thread

[2010]

He just doesn't play around the rim and hangs out around the perimeter. Look at De Colo for example, not the biggest guy but gets underneath the basket at the right times and gets easy buckets for it. Frank should have the size to do some damage around the rim, I don't know if he fears contact or just doesn't have the craftiness to get these opportunities or isn't aware that he's pretty tall. Or maybe it's just that teams are daring him to shoot. But he's been making them pay from 3 so hopefully that opens something up for him. Out of his 7 attempts 5 were 3s, he attempted 2 shots on drives to the rim one successful and one got blocked. Even driving and looking to pass is a rare sight. So for me it's the same criticism as it's been for years now, he still needs to attack more. I actually think there's a good chance they told him this at halftime.

I'm looking at this in stages. At the moment I am fine if he is not focusing on penetrating and scoring inside. Just continue to knock down those threes and become a reliable shooter. Once he solidifies that, then I'll worry about him attacking the rim.

[Capn'O]

He just doesn't play around the rim and hangs out around the perimeter. Look at De Colo for example, not the biggest guy but gets underneath the basket at the right times and gets easy buckets for it. Frank should have the size to do some damage around the rim, I don't know if he fears contact or just doesn't have the craftiness to get these opportunities or isn't aware that he's pretty tall. Or maybe it's just that teams are daring him to shoot. But he's been making them pay from 3 so hopefully that opens something up for him. Out of his 7 attempts 5 were 3s, he attempted 2 shots on drives to the rim one successful and one got blocked. Even driving and looking to pass is a rare sight. So for me it's the same criticism as it's been for years now, he still needs to attack more. I actually think there's a good chance they told him this at halftime.

I'm looking at this in stages. At the moment I am fine if he is not focusing on penetrating and scoring inside. Just continue to knock down those threes and become a reliable shooter. Once he solidifies that, then I'll worry about him attacking the rim.

Yes. Do this in NBA games and he stays in the league.

[NoLayupRule]

Ive always felt that Frank was only suited for a guard role with a dominant ball handler / play maker next to him

that doesn't have to be another guard as we saw with Kobe and MJ in the triangle or LBJ in whatever he tells his coaches to call his offense

Frank would do great in Houston

obviously he needs to hit shots though no matter where that happens


but if DSJ and RJ are taking the ball down the defenses throats then Frank can play D and spot up, as he better be ready to do this year

This actually one of the big reasons I think Frank will start this season ...ultimately Fizdale is going to coach to his principles and he’ll have to do it in a way that makes Perry and Mills happy .

Frank is best suited to ease RJ’s transition to the nba because he can be useful while allowing RJ to do what he does best(dominate the ball) while protecting him on defense . And at the end of it all RJ’s success is more important because he can be a max player whom the team uses as its offensive star. Also Fizdale has let it be known he’d rather coach a big defensive team .

Smith jr doesn’t fit that at all defensively and he had issues playing off the ball with Luka offensively. It’s hard for me to see it differently with Barrett.

there's zero chance of that

not sure really

does Fiz see Rj as a 2 or 3?
Dors Fiz see RJ as ready to start opening night?
Does he see Knox or Morris as a starting 3?


If we see DSJ, Morris, Randall and Robinson as the 1,3,4, and 5 on starting night then I think its between Frank, RJ and Dotson for that 2 spot. Frank fits with his defense if he can hit shots, Dotson fits both sides of the ball the best probably and RJ is the popular choice but probably not as good starting as he needs to hold the ball like DSJ does

Id like to see Dotson or Frank start with that unit and then a 2nd unit of

Payton
Trier
RJ
Knox
Portis

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[br7knicks]

8 points (40% from 3)
4 assists
2 rebounds
25 minutes (led the team)
+26

Another solid game from Frank

no! his team won and he played very well!


he's not putting up 40 ppg on 32% shooting!



trade him! he's worthless!

[br7knicks]

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but...but...but...but...


he didn't shoot! he's not worth playing on the knicks if he didn't put up 18 shots in the game!

[br7knicks]

That Frank and Gobert combo is a beaut.

it's a **** shame the knicks don't have a young center with potential to do very well and helping around the rim, with great defensive instincts.



most knicks fans here don't want 2 guys who play defense. they want 13 guys who only demand the ball and shoot 23 times per game.


didn't you hear?

[thebuzzardman]

This actually one of the big reasons I think Frank will start this season ...ultimately Fizdale is going to coach to his principles and he’ll have to do it in a way that makes Perry and Mills happy .

Frank is best suited to ease RJ’s transition to the nba because he can be useful while allowing RJ to do what he does best(dominate the ball) while protecting him on defense . And at the end of it all RJ’s success is more important because he can be a max player whom the team uses as its offensive star. Also Fizdale has let it be known he’d rather coach a big defensive team .

Smith jr doesn’t fit that at all defensively and he had issues playing off the ball with Luka offensively. It’s hard for me to see it differently with Barrett.

there's zero chance of that

not sure really

does Fiz see Rj as a 2 or 3?
Dors Fiz see RJ as ready to start opening night?
Does he see Knox or Morris as a starting 3?


If we see DSJ, Morris, Randall and Robinson as the 1,3,4, and 5 on starting night then I think its between Frank, RJ and Dotson for that 2 spot. Frank fits with his defense if he can hit shots, Dotson fits both sides of the ball the best probably and RJ is the popular choice but probably not as good starting as he needs to hold the ball like DSJ does

Id like to see Dotson or Frank start with that unit and then a 2nd unit of

Payton
Trier
RJ
Knox
Portis

All good takes but you have to figure RJ starts somewhere, no matter what.

Absolutely sure thing starters:

PG: DSJr
PF: Randle
C: Mitch

Probably starting
RJ
Morris

[br7knicks]

Disappointing a player who won't be a Knick next year gets so much attention from fans.

just us knicks fans who want to see the team win games, not just sexy players who will shoot the knicks out of wins, like the last 10 years.


it's a shame winning isn't a priority for the knicks yet...at least, that's what they'll be portraying by getting rid of guys like frank

[thebuzzardman]

Disappointing a player who won't be a Knick next year gets so much attention from fans.

just us knicks fans who want to see the team win games, not just sexy players who will shoot the knicks out of wins, like the last 10 years.


it's a shame winning isn't a priority for the knicks yet...at least, that's what they'll be portraying by getting rid of guys like frank

I agree. But when he's 3rd on the PG depth chart, 5th on the SG chart and 4th on the SF chart, I'm just going to figure he's gone.

Oh, he'll play about 80 minutes across 40 games before he gets dealt at the trade deadline. So I shouldn't say he won't play.

[br7knicks]

Disappointing a player who won't be a Knick next year gets so much attention from fans.

just us knicks fans who want to see the team win games, not just sexy players who will shoot the knicks out of wins, like the last 10 years.


it's a shame winning isn't a priority for the knicks yet...at least, that's what they'll be portraying by getting rid of guys like frank

I agree. But when he's 3rd on the PG depth chart, 5th on the SG chart and 4th on the SF chart, I'm just going to figure he's gone.

Oh, he'll play about 80 minutes across 40 games before he gets dealt at the trade deadline. So I shouldn't say he won't play.

I actually think he won't be a knick for long, either. another team, like the spurs, will see what he's capable of and pick him up. he'll either head back to france where he'll help a team win championships, as one of their starters getting 25+ mpg (as they do 10 minute quarters, not 12).

or he'll end up being all-defense, for several years, on a team like the spurs, and win a championship or two, as the starting PG/SG/SF


so yes, i actually agree. he won't be around for long. and the knicks will continue to suck octopus testicles by making decisions like letting guys like frank go

[br7knicks]

knicks aren't smart enough to keep a guy like frank around.


need more consistently smart decisions by the FO to believe they've changed.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Frank is ideally the type of player you want to put next to Barrett in the backcourt, the Derek Fisher to RJ's Kobe, the unselfish guy that can play off the ball and defend at a high level.

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[thebuzzardman]

Frank is ideally the type of player you want to put next to Barrett in the backcourt, the Derek Fisher to RJ's Kobe, the unselfish guy that can play off the ball and defend at a high level.

When both of them learn to shoot?

[Nazrmohamed]

This actually one of the big reasons I think Frank will start this season ...ultimately Fizdale is going to coach to his principles and he’ll have to do it in a way that makes Perry and Mills happy .

Frank is best suited to ease RJ’s transition to the nba because he can be useful while allowing RJ to do what he does best(dominate the ball) while protecting him on defense . And at the end of it all RJ’s success is more important because he can be a max player whom the team uses as its offensive star. Also Fizdale has let it be known he’d rather coach a big defensive team .

Smith jr doesn’t fit that at all defensively and he had issues playing off the ball with Luka offensively. It’s hard for me to see it differently with Barrett.

there's zero chance of that

not sure really

does Fiz see Rj as a 2 or 3?
Dors Fiz see RJ as ready to start opening night?
Does he see Knox or Morris as a starting 3?


If we see DSJ, Morris, Randall and Robinson as the 1,3,4, and 5 on starting night then I think its between Frank, RJ and Dotson for that 2 spot. Frank fits with his defense if he can hit shots, Dotson fits both sides of the ball the best probably and RJ is the popular choice but probably not as good starting as he needs to hold the ball like DSJ does

Id like to see Dotson or Frank start with that unit and then a 2nd unit of

Payton
Trier
RJ
Knox
Portis

You dont win 17 games, draft someone 3rd and then bench him for anybody let alone a player who is on the verge of being out of the league.

Look. I'd be happy for Frank to even work his way back into the rotation and would think a great start is seeing him overtake guys like Trier and Dotson who were drafted at 21 yrs old and arent really gonna show us a dramatic year over year improvement than most of our lottery picks.....but give us way better TODAY production. So even that's gonna be hard. You know what Trier and Dotson are gonna do dispute what I just said in terms of thier potential. In fact they are probably our most reliable players under 23 on this team. Maybe not the highest potential or star power but again, you know what they do and expect them to do it. So first Frank's gotta show enough that hes still in that potential conversation.

Now even if your wildest dreams came true( and you can forget stardom at this point) you're probably talking about making your Thabo Sefolosha argument, your Ariza arguments. Best case scenario is probably someone you know can defend at an elite level, give you some intangibles and hit open jumpers, maybe be a secondary facilitator. With all that in mind your best argument or at least mine would be a scenario where ( and watch how this also relies on the development of players outside Frank's control) RJ turns out good enough to be in ROTY contention this proving g his future stardom, where Dennis sortov figures himself out as a reliable scoring PG and where Frank might start is basically in a 3 guard perimeter where the other two attack and he sortov acts like......sorta like Jason Kidd acted between Felton who was always in attack mode and Melo who was ball dominant. Hed basically calm things down, get the ball to post option where they like to get it, do all the hockey assisting and all from the SG position. Every now and then a shot makes sense and he takes it

[NoLayupRule]

there's zero chance of that

not sure really

does Fiz see Rj as a 2 or 3?
Dors Fiz see RJ as ready to start opening night?
Does he see Knox or Morris as a starting 3?


If we see DSJ, Morris, Randall and Robinson as the 1,3,4, and 5 on starting night then I think its between Frank, RJ and Dotson for that 2 spot. Frank fits with his defense if he can hit shots, Dotson fits both sides of the ball the best probably and RJ is the popular choice but probably not as good starting as he needs to hold the ball like DSJ does

Id like to see Dotson or Frank start with that unit and then a 2nd unit of

Payton
Trier
RJ
Knox
Portis

You dont win 17 games, draft someone 3rd and then bench him for anybody let alone a player who is on the verge of being out of the league.

no one said anything about him being benched

Im talking about starting someone over him while he adapts to the NBA
not a shocking idea regardless of his draft position
I'm suggesting the same with Knox

[Juco24]

Frank is ideally the type of player you want to put next to Barrett in the backcourt, the Derek Fisher to RJ's Kobe, the unselfish guy that can play off the ball and defend at a high level.

which is why I'm kinda sorry we signed EP... honestly we don't know what we have yet in Frank. Would have been good to see him as the first guard off the bench

[DOT]

I mean, I'm as big a Frank fan as anyone, and I do like RJ

But you are gonna need more playmaking if you put the two of them on court together. And not like a Siakam or a Randle type player, especially not this year neither Frank or RJ will be talented enough to be the primary facilitator

You get DSJ to take that next step I know he's capable of, that's what we'd need.

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