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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#41 » by nate33 » Thu Sep 5, 2019 1:53 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:I highly doubt Jones would be offered a roster spot by any team if waived. It would be a handshake agreement between him and the team to stick around in the GoGo program, with the real possibility of getting stretches of PT with the big club.


Agreed. It's not so much that Jones doesn't deserve a spot at the end of someone's roster, it's that most teams already have 15 roster spots filled. Or they're kinda like us with 16 or 17 guys on the roster and are faced with a choice of cutting 2 or the 3 guys with non-guaranteed deals.

I think there are lots of teams with two-way slots available though. If we cut Jones with the intent to resign him to a two-way deal, we'd have to convince him to stay and play on a two-way deal with us rather than some other team. We've already got a lot of developing small forwards on the roster between Brown, Schofield, Bonga and possibly Hachimura. Jones might see a better opportunity elsewhere. On the other hand, we don't really have one proven, starting-caliber small forward.
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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#42 » by JAR69 » Thu Sep 5, 2019 5:00 pm

I like McRae, but I'd sooner cut him than try the two-way route with Jones. McRae's contract is currently guaranteed $400,000, jumps to $600,000 at the start of the regular season. As others have said, Jones brings two things this team desperately needs - rebounding and wing defense. He is far more likely to be a rotation player than McRae.
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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#43 » by Ruzious » Thu Sep 5, 2019 5:19 pm

JAR69 wrote:I like McRae, but I'd sooner cut him than try the two-way route with Jones. McRae's contract is currently guaranteed $400,000, jumps to $600,000 at the start of the regular season. As others have said, Jones brings two things this team desperately needs - rebounding and wing defense. He is far more likely to be a rotation player than McRae.

I've said it before; it doesn't have to come down to McRae vs Jem, and it probably shouldn't. There's no compelling reason to keep players with small guaranteed contracts that can't get it done. And McRae was a rotation player late in the season and played well. His only problem was he stunk shooting 3's. Howevuh, he's a lifetime 35.2% 3 point shooter in the NBA and made a good percentage in dominating the G League last season, so I don't see that as a real weakness in his game going forward. Wiz should keep them both. Both have some positional versatility. McRae played some PG, and Jem - despite his size - is probably more of a forward than a guard.
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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#44 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Sep 5, 2019 5:20 pm

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Illmatic12 wrote:I highly doubt Jones would be offered a roster spot by any team if waived. It would be a handshake agreement between him and the team to stick around in the GoGo program, with the real possibility of getting stretches of PT with the big club.


Agreed. It's not so much that Jones doesn't deserve a spot at the end of someone's roster, it's that most teams already have 15 roster spots filled. Or they're kinda like us with 16 or 17 guys on the roster and are faced with a choice of cutting 2 or the 3 guys with non-guaranteed deals.

I think there are lots of teams with two-way slots available though. If we cut Jones with the intent to resign him to a two-way deal, we'd have to convince him to stay and play on a two-way deal with us rather than some other team. We've already got a lot of developing small forwards on the roster between Brown, Schofield, Bonga and possibly Hachimura. Jones might see a better opportunity elsewhere. On the other hand, we don't really have one proven, starting-caliber small forward.

I dont think it would be hard to approach him about playing with the GoGo. The Wizards are heavily investing resources in player development this season compared to many other teams.

I view Jones as a 3&D (3 is potentially) SG , basically a defensive specialist you can play next to someone like IT to stop the bleeding. We have a lot of players but if he stays here he’s almost guaranteed to get a call-up at some point this season (possibly after the deadline if we’ve moved some vets)

Plus Tommy Sheppard and Jemerrio are both NMSU Aggies , so they have a common bond over that.
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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#45 » by nate33 » Thu Sep 5, 2019 5:52 pm

JAR69 wrote:I like McRae, but I'd sooner cut him than try the two-way route with Jones. McRae's contract is currently guaranteed $400,000, jumps to $600,000 at the start of the regular season. As others have said, Jones brings two things this team desperately needs - rebounding and wing defense. He is far more likely to be a rotation player than McRae.

I think a deciding factor for McRae is the health of Isaiah Thomas.

McRae can get buckets when the offense breaks down. That's a skill shared by no one else in the backcourt save Beal. And if nobody else can get buckets, it's going to put a lot of pressure on Brooks to play Beal too many minutes. McRae is needed to save the wear and tear on Beal.

But if Thomas has a comeback year and looks as good as his last Sacramento years or his first Boston year, then he can fill the role of 2nd unit shot creator. That would render McRae redundant and open the door for us to play wings like Schofield and Brown who provide other necessary skills like rebounding and defense.
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Post#46 » by DCZards » Thu Sep 5, 2019 7:11 pm

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McRae can get buckets when the offense breaks down. That's a skill shared by no one else in the backcourt save Beal. And if nobody else can get buckets, it's going to put a lot of pressure on Brooks to play Beal too many minutes. McRae is needed to save the wear and tear on Beal.

Agree with this as well as what Ruz said about McRae showing the ability to play some PG.

Over the last 3-4 games of the season, McRae showed he could handle and create for others. Those are valuable skills...as is McRae’s ability to “score the ball” (said in my best Hubie Brown voice).
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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#47 » by payitforward » Thu Sep 5, 2019 11:52 pm

Well... who knows what they'll do. & obviously it's unfair to both McRae & Jones to act as if it's a contest between the two of them -- i.e. about their dissimilarities in particular. That makes no sense.

...& then of course, right there, I felt tempted to go on & do just that! :)

In the end, Jones's 143 end-of-season minutes, however outstanding, aren't enough to make any confident judgments about him, & on the other hand McRae is, has always been, & never will be anything but a marginal NBA journeyman whatever anyone wants to convince themselves of in re: his ability to do x, y or z.

What it comes down to for me is an irrational confidence in Jones.

Maybe I'm right -- as some of you know, I'm almost always right. Or, maybe I'm wrong -- as the rest of you know, I'm almost always wrong.

Right? I mean... wrong? Or... whatever...! :)
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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#48 » by BearlyBallin » Fri Sep 6, 2019 3:30 pm

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“I just love basketball, so if you see me, you’ll like the game I play too, because it ain’t all about a bucket,” said Jones. “It’s about the little things. The dirty work. The nitty gritty. But I’d play basketball even if I wasn’t getting paid. No matter what. It’s something that eases my mind … as soon as I touch the practice floor, I’m good.”...

“His passing is actually better than you might think, as he often played backup point guard for the South Bay Lakers. His G League coach, Coby Karl, made sure to put him in such situations after realizing that he had real playmaking ability.”

From - 2019 Player Capsule: Jemerrio Jones
By Mike Trudell
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I must admit a strong curiosity about Jones. I believe that his desire to do the “nitty gritty, dirty work”, as he calls it, can become contagious and the wizards could use some inspiration on defense and rebounding. I hope his play in training camp forces the team to keep him on the roster.
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Re: The Temple of Jemerrio Jones 

Post#49 » by BearlyBallin » Sat Sep 7, 2019 2:07 pm

https://www.nba.com/lakers/sites/lakers/files/shotchart_69.png

Link to his G league shotchart.



https://youtu.be/OZn3nGqyp70

Here he talks about his family and neighborhood growing up. Also his rehab from a torn ACL, seems he did the rehab himself. Talks a little about his 72 rebounds in 5 games during Junior College Tournament (edit: I think he corrects the interviewer gently and says it was done in 4 games. Lol)

Soft spoken young man who shows a nice sense of humor in that interview. I get the sense that he didn’t even dream he’d be in the NBA. He mentions being called Super JJ, Neighborhood Hero & aspiring to become a park legend.
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Post#50 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 7, 2019 2:46 pm

Great stuff -- thanks!

IMO (which, it is only fair to add, is based on next to nothing!) Jemerrio Jones is likely to be 1 of the 3 best players we have added this off-season. If we keep him. &, yeah, that's his job: his work in training camp has to make it impossible to cut him.
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Post#51 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 7, 2019 2:58 pm

Here's the article: https://www.nba.com/lakers/news/190424-2019-player-capsule-jemerrio-jones

The Lakers signed Jones for the final six games of the regular season after he’d excelled as a role player with the South Bay Lakers, impressing with his defense, rebounding and glue-guy tendencies, and put him in the starting lineup for the final three games with these results:

7.0 points, 13.6 rebounds, 3.3 assists, 1.7 blocks and 1.3 steals in 36.3 minutes.

Meanwhile, the Lakers beat two playoff teams, the Clippers and Jazz, and lost to Portland on a buzzer-beating three. Jones defended the likes of Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Lou Williams, Donovan Mitchell and Damian Lillard, limiting each below their season field goal percentages.

...There are two things we do know for sure: he can rebound at an NBA level, and he can defend at an NBA level. Such is the athleticism of Jones, that he could literally go for every rebound on both ends of the floor, and yet never fail to get back to his man in transition, or to fail to recover to his man on the defensive side if he didn’t get the rebound.
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Post#52 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 7, 2019 3:09 pm

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Post#53 » by payitforward » Sun Sep 8, 2019 6:56 pm

Ben Wallace just came up in ex-Wizards thread: doesn't Jemerrio Jones have a chance to be a mini-Ben?

I don't mean as great as Ben was, of course. But, doesn't Ben Wallace prove that you don't have to be able to shoot to impact the game.

"But the game has changed, & you can't compare..." -- forget it. Ben Wallace would dominate today just as he dominated back then.
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Post#54 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Sep 9, 2019 7:52 pm

payitforward wrote:Ben Wallace just came up in ex-Wizards thread: doesn't Jemerrio Jones have a chance to be a mini-Ben?

I don't mean as great as Ben was, of course. But, doesn't Ben Wallace prove that you don't have to be able to shoot to impact the game.

"But the game has changed, & you can't compare..." -- forget it. Ben Wallace would dominate today just as he dominated back then.



If Jones can play C, sure. Ben Wallace at SF wouldn't have been as ideal.
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Post#55 » by payitforward » Mon Sep 9, 2019 8:49 pm

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payitforward wrote:Ben Wallace just came up in ex-Wizards thread: doesn't Jemerrio Jones have a chance to be a mini-Ben?

I don't mean as great as Ben was, of course. But, doesn't Ben Wallace prove that you don't have to be able to shoot to impact the game.

"But the game has changed, & you can't compare..." -- forget it. Ben Wallace would dominate today just as he dominated back then.

If Jones can play C, sure. Ben Wallace at SF wouldn't have been as ideal.

Don't get me wrong: I don't know how good Jemerrio Jones can be. How in hell could I? But, this is a simple question: does it make sense to keep him on the Wizards roster? The answer is perfectly obvious -- yep, it does.

You're a smart guy. Yeah, you were way off on Thomas Bryant, but everyone is wrong about something! You are certainly way smart enough & experienced enough to know that, as I wrote, "you don't have to be able to shoot to impact the game."

YMMV, but I'll say that after what is now many decades of life I've learned this: the most important skill in thinking is never to find a reason not to do it.
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Post#56 » by Ruzious » Mon Sep 9, 2019 9:18 pm

payitforward wrote:Ben Wallace just came up in ex-Wizards thread: doesn't Jemerrio Jones have a chance to be a mini-Ben?

I don't mean as great as Ben was, of course. But, doesn't Ben Wallace prove that you don't have to be able to shoot to impact the game.

"But the game has changed, & you can't compare..." -- forget it. Ben Wallace would dominate today just as he dominated back then.

Ben was the best in the world at defending the rim and was an outstanding rebounder. Having basically just those 2 skills was enough to make him a legitimately great player for a few seasons.

Jones is arguably the best in the world at rebounding a basketball, and he's a talented defender. While that's not the same situation as Ben's - maybe closer to a mini-Rodman, I think when a player is that good at something, there's got to be a way to incorporate them into the team to give the team a competitive advantage.
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Post#57 » by doclinkin » Mon Sep 9, 2019 10:40 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
payitforward wrote:Ben Wallace just came up in ex-Wizards thread: doesn't Jemerrio Jones have a chance to be a mini-Ben?

I don't mean as great as Ben was, of course. But, doesn't Ben Wallace prove that you don't have to be able to shoot to impact the game.

"But the game has changed, & you can't compare..." -- forget it. Ben Wallace would dominate today just as he dominated back then.



If Jones can play C, sure. Ben Wallace at SF wouldn't have been as ideal.


If Ben Walllace could defend 1-3 and still rebound like a 4 then yes he would. Especially in the three-ball era.

A shutdown player who rebounds has a fit on most teams. In this era more than most it would be useful to have the perimeter version of Dennis Rodman.

Every team needs a guy who sticks the hot hand on defense, forces a miss, then snatches the long bounce off the three.

And in the perimeter Big era, on offense it's useful to have a guy underneath who can board well when your bigs float to the outside . All he needs otherwise is to pass without turnovers and hit wide open shots or putback dunks.

You know, like a traditional center. Plus perimeter D.
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Post#58 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Sep 9, 2019 10:54 pm

Every team does. I'm not even poopooing Jones here. I just don't see what Ben Wallace has to do anything. Jones is far closer to being Marcus Smart.
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Post#59 » by payitforward » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:31 pm

Ruzious wrote:...Jones is arguably the best in the world at rebounding a basketball, and he's a talented defender. ...I think when a player is that good at something, there's got to be a way to incorporate them into the team to give the team a competitive advantage.

Bingo! -- that's exactly the point.
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Post#60 » by payitforward » Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:59 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:Every team does. I'm not even poopooing Jones here. I just don't see what Ben Wallace has to do anything. Jones is far closer to being Marcus Smart.

I don't pick up the reference in your first sentence. But, of course there is a sense in which Ben Wallace has nothing to do with Jones.

But there is also a sense in which he does: both of these guys represent the kind of player who is way different from the norm at his position but still puts up extremely outstanding numbers overall. That is a valid perspective, because it lets you look at what Jones might offer despite his lack of scoring.

Perhaps it would be better to think of it not as a concrete comparison but instead as the use of a model to provide a useful new way to view a data set.

Does that make sense to you? Of course, even in this case, we're talking about 143 NBA minutes, so the data set itself can't be viewed as solidly predictive -- e.g. it wouldn't make me suggest that we extend Jemerrio Jones immediately. But, it certainly suffices to make me want to keep the guy & give him playing time.

Your mention of Marcus Smart is apropos of my distinction between a comparison & a model. Smart is a 2 & a solid defender. Jones is a 2-3 & a solid defender.

Yet, in fact, they are not at all similar players. Smart's not a big-time scorer, but he is a solidly above average shooter -- on 2's, 3's & FTAs. He's also a proven playmaker, whose assists are way above average for a wing year after year.

OTOH, he's a below average rebounder for a 2. Jones gets more than 3 times as many rebounds as Smart per 40 minutes. Plus, though neither guy has near average usage, Smart turns the ball over a fair amount more. While Jones gets 3 times the blocks of an average wing.

Thus, even though Jones is not a big, it makes more sense to view his likely effect on games along the lines of Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman than Marcus Smart.

Do you see what I mean? &, does it make sense to you?
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