liamliam1234 wrote:No-more-rings wrote:liamliam1234 wrote:I would still like to hear the case for 1990 Ewing/Barkley over Giannis. I think DatAsh said Barkley had “two to three times” the offensive impact, and I cannot really see support for that by their actual production. But everyone else has kind-of glossed over it.
I’m not sure about Barkley vs Giannis, but for me Ewing still was a better defender than Giannis, and if his scoring game gets shut down i don’t think it’s as detrimental as if it happens to Giannis. On offense Giannis is better sure, but being a dpoy caliber guy in a league where Gobert, and Draymond are the top suspects compared to a league with Drob, Hakeem, Rodman, etc. isn’t really the same.
What supports Ewing being a DPoY-calibre player in 1990? That is my point. People are selecting 1990 because of Ewing’s offence, even though his defence was clearly a ways off his 1993-94 peak and was probably the worst defensive year of his career... so what makes his offence + defence better than Giannis’s that year?
What makes Giannis offense + defense better?
Giannis team had a 108.2 drtg without him which would’ve been good for the 6th rated defense, and a -3.7 lift just again sounds like lower end dpoy caliber guy. I don’t know of any data for Ewing’s defense that year, so maybe there’s some assumption involved that he was at least close to his other defensive years.
On the other hand, you probably could still argue that Ewing’s offense was better, with the resiliency he showed vs good to great defenses in the playoffs. Winning a series against a team with 7 more wins and a much higher SRS also isn’t really something that Giannis could say.