FIBA WORLD CUP 2019 | SPAIN are new WORLD CHAMPIONS

[SmartWentCrazy]

+/- is very noisy at this point...but I don't think it's an accident that Mitchell is the +/- king for USA. There's a lot of players looking for their own shots and plays, but ironically Mitchell has not been one of them. Almost all of his shots have been spot up 3's or end of clock must shoot situations. He's become the glue guy on this team because of his tremendous defense and ability to make quick decisions on the perimeter. Not a surprise coming out of Quin Snyder's system.

He’s taking the second most shots on the team. He is absolutely looking for his own shot.

Take a look at the shots he's taking. Like I said, the majority of his shots are spot up 3's or shots near the end of the clock. He's not calling his own number too often.

If you want to think that the guy one guy not looking for his own shot is the guy who has the second most shots on the team, be my guest. But I think its asinine to claim that all Mitchell’s shots are in rhythm while others are forcing shots.

[The Rodzilla]

I have respect for the Czech Republic because that country has produced some good pornographic videos but unfortunately we will have to eliminate you from the tournament on Wednesday

I hope this doesn't damage the Australia-Czech international relations

[KqWIN]

He’s taking the second most shots on the team. He is absolutely looking for his own shot.

Take a look at the shots he's taking. Like I said, the majority of his shots are spot up 3's or shots near the end of the clock. He's not calling his own number too often.

If you want to think that the guy one guy not looking for his own shot is the guy who has the second most shots on the team, be my guest. But I think its asinine to claim that all Mitchell’s shots are in rhythm while others are forcing shots.

To each their own. I don't think shooting spot up jumpers and end of clock situations is forcing up shots. Those are must shoot situations. Mitchell has also played the most amount of minutes and has shot almost zero FT's. That brings up his attempts. His attempts per minute are less than Kemba, Middleton, Brown, White, Lopez, and Tatum. Count in the FT's as scoring attempts, and he's less than Barnes as well.

These are also stats through 5 games, does not include this morning's game where he shot 6 shots in 22 minutes. Don't want to do the math right now, but he's probably only ahead of Plumlee, Harris, and Smart in terms of scoring attempts per minute.

[Zombiesonics]

Thus far he has been relying on small ball, but when the U.S. plays Spain or Serbia, and the bigs that they're going to throw at the U.S., that's where Lopez and Plumlee will come into play. He was thinking the long-game in regards to those two on the roster. With the unlikely scenario that Turner plays out of his mind and dominates Jokic and Marc Gasol, Lopez and Plumlee will be used frequently in those games later in the tournament.

As for the defense of certain players, it's more of a system wide approach with the U.S., and Middleton and Harris are valued shooters who aren't atrocious defenders. The style of defense that the U.S. is playing is a "no middle" approach, where they force players to the sidelines, and can result in blow bys when a player is out of position/late in a rotation. That's fine, as long as Harris and Middleton are physical defensively a majority of the time, which they are. There's a reason why Kyle Korver has never been on an international team, and that's because he can't stay in front of anyone, even though he can shoot the crap out of the ball.

Thats a good point we will need size for possible two center serb line up, or gasol. Still think we could have scrounged up a better center and brought winslow, who already has usa experience and has shown the ability to hit threes if the line were closer.

As far as middleton and harris, we will have to just disagree on them because i'm not talking USA's coverage or how they are forcing direction. Middleton has had a number of plays that have left me flabbergasted, like out of bounds plays where he loses his man or him in general guarding pick n roll. Harris' length makes him not good at close outs, its like shooting over a chair.

[zimpy27]

This Australian basketball team is an absolute basketball purists dream. Makes me so proud to watch them play.

Obviously FIBA ball is different and we see guys play super well in it and great NBA guys struggle, but Patty Mills is so consistently amazing for the Boomers that I can't help but wonder how he'd look with a more expanded NBA role. Dude is consistently a top 3 scorer in international events, super efficient, plays within the offense.

He's not a on-ball initiator that many NBA teams look for necessarily, handle can be a bit shaky when playing a more primary ball-handler role and he's more a 'makes the right play' type guy than a 'playmaker', but we're in an age of multiple ball-handlers and a lot of teams run offense through wings or even bigs these days. I wonder how he'd look playing a Shamet-like role off a Simmons/Doncic/Jokic/whoever else type.

When Simmons plays for Australia it'll be an awesome fit for him I feel.

I mean...Patty Mills won an NBA championship with Diaw and Ginobili being the guys that were running the offense on the Spurs bench (best bench in the League during those years),and him executing.How much better would you want him to be?

If you are thinking about Patty playing more than his 20MPG and scoring more than his 10PPG and spending time with the starting line up...we tried that,it didn't go so well...
Too much of a defensive liability (cause of size) in the NBA,becomes a non-issue offensively without a playmaker and a motion offense setting him up from his spots.

If he was Curry/Dame level in shooting and playmaking in the NBA as he is in FIBA ball,he would already be the starting point guard and he would get paid 25Mil per instead of his 13Mil per.Pop loves him.His limitations are the problem,neither his team,nor his Coach's confidence in him.

The fact of the matter is-for the NBA-Mills is an undersized Shooting Guard.

Good analysis, he is an undersized SG but there are oversized PGs in the NBA. His ideal situation in is to be paired with one of them.

It's no accident that the team he played best for had Manu and Diaw making plays with Duncan or Baynes in the middle.

Mills, J-Rich, Simmons, Horford, Embiid
Mills, Matthews, Middleton, Giannis, Lopez
Mills, Green, LeBron, AD, Dwight

He would fit well with those teams.

[GusT15]

I mean...Patty Mills won an NBA championship with Diaw and Ginobili being the guys that were running the offense on the Spurs bench (best bench in the League during those years),and him executing.How much better would you want him to be?

If you are thinking about Patty playing more than his 20MPG and scoring more than his 10PPG and spending time with the starting line up...we tried that,it didn't go so well...
Too much of a defensive liability (cause of size) in the NBA,becomes a non-issue offensively without a playmaker and a motion offense setting him up from his spots.

If he was Curry/Dame level in shooting and playmaking in the NBA as he is in FIBA ball,he would already be the starting point guard and he would get paid 25Mil per instead of his 13Mil per.Pop loves him.His limitations are the problem,neither his team,nor his Coach's confidence in him.

The fact of the matter is-for the NBA-Mills is an undersized Shooting Guard.

Good analysis, he is an undersized SG but there are oversized PGs in the NBA. His ideal situation in is to be paired with one of them.

It's no accident that the team he played best for had Manu and Diaw making plays with Duncan or Baynes in the middle.

Mills, J-Rich, Simmons, Horford, Embiid
Mills, Matthews, Middleton, Giannis, Lopez
Mills, Green, LeBron, AD, Dwight

He would fit well with those teams.

I really like his fit on that Sixers team (which makes it a shame that Shamet is no longer there cause he was also a great fit).

I still think the Lakers and the Bucks teams with those line ups would suffer because of their perimeter defense with Patty on.
Starting caliber/allstar NBA wings against Mills was a recipe for disaster.A good coach can hide him against bench units.
When he was starting it didn't take long before something like this happened.



And then you're in trouble...
(Obviously i am not talking about KD specifically,more like any 6'6''-6'8'' wing that can shoot and drive.They drive by him or shoot over him)

[jinxed]

Did Greece miss out on the quarters by one point?

I'm not sure how the tie-breakers work, but Czechs had +22 point differential and Greece had +21.

[GusT15]

Did Greece miss out on the quarters by one point?

I'm not sure how the tie-breakers work, but Czechs had +22 point differential and Greece had +21.

5 points (3 team tie difference).Yeah,Greece is out.

[jinxed]

Argentina
Serbia

USA
France

Spain
Poland

Australia
Czech Republic

What a fantastic quarterfinals!

USA is favorite, but they have a tough rode. I'm not sure I'd take them over the field. Winning against France and then Serbia and then Spain/Aus 3 in a row is a tall order for any team.

[bisme37]

Greece demands refs be banned after fouling out Giannis...

Greece are calling for the officials who oversaw their final game at the Basketball World Cup to be banned after NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo and his team exited the tournament amid rancour on Monday.

Greece's coach said that star man Antetokounmpo had been the victim of a lack of "respect" after being fouled out in the 84-77 victory over the Czech Republic.

"Also (a ban) for those who nominate the referees and also watch the video and announce the results," the spokesman said in a text message.

"You cannot call these kinds of fouls on this kind of player."

https://sports.yahoo.com/disrespected-mvp-antetokounmpo-greece-world-cup-115743618--nba.html

[Maf]

I have respect for the Czech Republic because that country has produced some good pornographic videos but unfortunately we will have to eliminate you from the tournament on Wednesday

I hope this doesn't damage the Australia-Czech international relations

Well they are kinda bad nowadays. We have a little show on internet where they invite people from different countries to taste our beverages and food and Aussies are always those most annoying, most critique of them all. So every discussion under videos are the same- oh god, another complaining Australian, hate those guys. On the other side, we fell in love with Chris from Mauritius and we would gladly gave him citizenship.

[gundysmullet]

Gobert for a plate of fairy bread and half a pack of Tim Tams, who says no?

There’s no place for homophobic comments on this board.

[GusT15]

Greece demands refs be banned after fouling out Giannis...

Greece are calling for the officials who oversaw their final game at the Basketball World Cup to be banned after NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo and his team exited the tournament amid rancour on Monday.

Greece's coach said that star man Antetokounmpo had been the victim of a lack of "respect" after being fouled out in the 84-77 victory over the Czech Republic.

"Also (a ban) for those who nominate the referees and also watch the video and announce the results," the spokesman said in a text message.

"You cannot call these kinds of fouls on this kind of player."

https://sports.yahoo.com/disrespected-mvp-antetokounmpo-greece-world-cup-115743618--nba.html

The Greek Federation can demand whatever they want and the Greek Basketball fans can demand the Greek Head Coach to never coach a a basketball team ever again.

And i can demand,for the 1375th time in the past 20years,that the President of the Greek Basketball federation to resign/get fired/retire and get lost peacefully in the sunset,so he can never be heard talking about basketball ever again.

Too bad nobody is gonna get what they wish for.

[gundysmullet]

This Australian basketball team is an absolute basketball purists dream. Makes me so proud to watch them play.

Obviously FIBA ball is different and we see guys play super well in it and great NBA guys struggle, but Patty Mills is so consistently amazing for the Boomers that I can't help but wonder how he'd look with a more expanded NBA role. Dude is consistently a top 3 scorer in international events, super efficient, plays within the offense.

He's not a on-ball initiator that many NBA teams look for necessarily, handle can be a bit shaky when playing a more primary ball-handler role and he's more a 'makes the right play' type guy than a 'playmaker', but we're in an age of multiple ball-handlers and a lot of teams run offense through wings or even bigs these days. I wonder how he'd look playing a Shamet-like role off a Simmons/Doncic/Jokic/whoever else type.

When Simmons plays for Australia it'll be an awesome fit for him I feel.

Imagine if they were not so racist and didn’t ban all the black players on the team. Five or six of the top players are missing and they all happen to be black, but I’m sure it was just a “coincidence “. Australia was, is and will always be racist.

[zimpy27]

I mean...Patty Mills won an NBA championship with Diaw and Ginobili being the guys that were running the offense on the Spurs bench (best bench in the League during those years),and him executing.How much better would you want him to be?

If you are thinking about Patty playing more than his 20MPG and scoring more than his 10PPG and spending time with the starting line up...we tried that,it didn't go so well...
Too much of a defensive liability (cause of size) in the NBA,becomes a non-issue offensively without a playmaker and a motion offense setting him up from his spots.

If he was Curry/Dame level in shooting and playmaking in the NBA as he is in FIBA ball,he would already be the starting point guard and he would get paid 25Mil per instead of his 13Mil per.Pop loves him.His limitations are the problem,neither his team,nor his Coach's confidence in him.

The fact of the matter is-for the NBA-Mills is an undersized Shooting Guard.

Good analysis, he is an undersized SG but there are oversized PGs in the NBA. His ideal situation in is to be paired with one of them.

It's no accident that the team he played best for had Manu and Diaw making plays with Duncan or Baynes in the middle.

Mills, J-Rich, Simmons, Horford, Embiid
Mills, Matthews, Middleton, Giannis, Lopez
Mills, Green, LeBron, AD, Dwight

He would fit well with those teams.

I really like his fit on that Sixers team (which makes it a shame that Shamet is no longer there cause he was also a great fit).

I still think the Lakers and the Bucks teams with those line ups would suffer because of their perimeter defense with Patty on.
Starting caliber/allstar NBA wings against Mills was a recipe for disaster.A good coach can hide him against bench units.
When he was starting it didn't take long before something like this happened.



And then you're in trouble...
(Obviously i am not talking about KD specifically,more like any 6'6''-6'8'' wing that can shoot and drive.They drive by him or shoot over him)

Mills is a pressure defender, he gets in the face and he gambles on steals. That's bad defense if you don't have a strong 4-5 defense with Tim protection. It can be plus-defense if you do have those things however.

To me it's fit. Occasionally you will have KD switch on PGs on every team and he usually is unstoppable.

[gundysmullet]

Simmons, Maker, Exum, Bolden, Adel, all conveniently absent from the team.

“Aussie, Aussie, Aussie. White, White, White”
And yes I realize that Mills is black but apparently one is their quota limit. Many people do not realize that up until 1972 Australia had a “whites only” immigration policy. Disgraceful.

No weird, racially-focused political commentary. -Dome

[bisme37]

Greece demands refs be banned after fouling out Giannis...

Greece are calling for the officials who oversaw their final game at the Basketball World Cup to be banned after NBA MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo and his team exited the tournament amid rancour on Monday.

Greece's coach said that star man Antetokounmpo had been the victim of a lack of "respect" after being fouled out in the 84-77 victory over the Czech Republic.

"Also (a ban) for those who nominate the referees and also watch the video and announce the results," the spokesman said in a text message.

"You cannot call these kinds of fouls on this kind of player."

https://sports.yahoo.com/disrespected-mvp-antetokounmpo-greece-world-cup-115743618--nba.html

The Greek Federation can demand whatever they want and the Greek Basketball fans can demand the Greek Head Coach to never coach a a basketball team ever again.

And i can demand,for the 1375th time in the past 20years,that the President of the Greek Basketball federation to resign/get fired/retire and get lost peacefully in the sunset,so he can never be heard talking about basketball ever again.

Too bad nobody is gonna get what they wish for.

The weird part to me is Greece oddly didn't even play GA down the stretch vs USA and lost. Now they're mad GA couldn't play down the stretch of this game because of refs. I mean, who knows if they even would have played him if he was available?

[SwatLakeCity527]

He’s taking the second most shots on the team. He is absolutely looking for his own shot.

Take a look at the shots he's taking. Like I said, the majority of his shots are spot up 3's or shots near the end of the clock. He's not calling his own number too often.

If you want to think that the guy one guy not looking for his own shot is the guy who has the second most shots on the team, be my guest. But I think its asinine to claim that all Mitchell’s shots are in rhythm while others are forcing shots.

Maybe you'd have to watch more Jazz games to recognize that Donovan is not looking for his own shot. It's pretty self-evident to me that he is looking to make the best play, not to score the most. He is also playing more minutes than anyone else, so the "he is shooting the second-most on the team" doesn't really apply, as his shots per minute is lower than the majority of the team.

[The Rodzilla]

Imagine if they were not so racist and didn’t ban all the black players on the team. Five or six of the top players are missing and they all happen to be black, but I’m sure it was just a “coincidence “. Australia was, is and will always be racist.

Simmons, Maker, Exum, Bolden, Adel, all conveniently absent from the team.

“Aussie, Aussie, Aussie. White, White, White”
And yes I realize that Mills is black but apparently one is their quota limit. Many people do not realize that up until 1972 Australia had a “whites only” immigration policy. Disgraceful.

you should check your brain with a doctor to see if there is any brain damage

exum is injured, basketball australia officials would give simmons a handjob if he would play at the tournament but he withdrew, and im sure all the others guys withdrew themselves from contention

[GusT15]

The Greek Federation can demand whatever they want and the Greek Basketball fans can demand the Greek Head Coach to never coach a a basketball team ever again.

And i can demand,for the 1375th time in the past 20years,that the President of the Greek Basketball federation to resign/get fired/retire and get lost peacefully in the sunset,so he can never be heard talking about basketball ever again.

Too bad nobody is gonna get what they wish for.

The weird part to me is Greece oddly didn't even play GA down the stretch vs USA and lost. Now they're mad GA couldn't play down the stretch of this game because of refs. I mean, who knows if they even would have played him if he was available?

Well,the Coaching genius of the Greek NT said that they were thinking about the next game vs the Czechs,so he rested the team down 10 with 5mins left vs USA.

I'm just glad i don't have to watch anymore of whatever Greece was playing,cause if you exclude half a quarter intervals where they were double teaming the ball handler,diving for loose ball,running the fast break,they weren't playing basketball.

Ineffective game plan,wrong rotations,wrong line ups,wrong shot distribution,zero defensive coverage,zero post play,bad picks.
Static offense,lethargic defense.

For the past week,my eyes hurt from the ineptitude the team has shown to adapt,react and perform.
I'm glad it's over.

If Pop wins i'm happy,if Jokic wins,great,if Patty wins i'll cheer.
Anyone but Spain.