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Post#2701 » by a-French-Fan » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:02 pm

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The Rodzilla wrote:Australia beat france and france beat usa, so this means Australia is better than everyone

Lol That is a way to think

The other way is France let Aussies too much open 3 points , and Gobert had a very Bad game.

So, good Luck for Australia against Spain, because they Can be serious a whole game unlike France (but first: Czech Republic, let's respect them)


another way to think is that australia had a bad game and should have beaten france by 21pts like at the olympics


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Post#2702 » by Clyde Frazier » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:03 pm

Spanish_Laker wrote:It was a matter of time. Average team, no center, no anchor. So many mediocre players (Smart, White, Plumlee) and an overrated coach with 0 FIBA experience. "We DoN't NeEd CeNtErS" the US people said, and a great center has singlehandedly kicked them out of the competition in quarterfinals, LMAO.


It wasn't a secret the US might get eliminated, though. I really didn't see that many Americans on here boasting about this team at all.
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Post#2703 » by Swish1906 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:04 pm

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Swish1906 wrote:Im kind of annoyed that Ntilikina has such a nice WC...wanted the Mavs to pick him up dirt cheap during the season...damn it



Don't worry, the Knicks will mess it up and trade him for table scraps.


I'm already preparing myself for seeing Elfrid Payton play 30mpg over him.


Dont think they are that stupid, specially after the WC buzz he is going to get.

Yeah but maybe Mills is that much of an idiot and wanna get rid of him just because he was Phil Jacksons pick. But i dont think so, young guard who can defend 1-3 and hit the three....
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Post#2704 » by remi_222 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:04 pm

Its weird to say it, and thats why i was very confident but its normal that we won! More experience, a WAY better hierarchy with Evan as a top scorer and everybody played for him.
Nando as a 6th man is absolutely marvelous (he tried to go back in the NBA a few months ago but nobody gave him serious proposition).
Gobert as in inside force and Ntilikina with his great D + clutch shots.
Lack of team spirit made the US loose this game !
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Post#2705 » by The Rodzilla » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:06 pm

a-French-Fan wrote:
The Rodzilla wrote:
a-French-Fan wrote:Lol That is a way to think

The other way is France let Aussies too much open 3 points , and Gobert had a very Bad game.

So, good Luck for Australia against Spain, because they Can be serious a whole game unlike France (but first: Czech Republic, let's respect them)


another way to think is that australia had a bad game and should have beaten france by 21pts like at the olympics


Rio for us? It was tourism ^^
But if you want to remember me Bad memories: Sydney 2000 semi-final :)


that was pre delly so it doesnt count as real
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Post#2706 » by brutalitops » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:07 pm

remi_222 wrote:Its weird to say it, and thats why i was very confident but its normal that we won! More experience, a WAY better hierarchy with Evan as a top scorer and everybody played for him.
Nando as a 6th man is absolutely marvelous (he tried to go back in the NBA a few months ago but nobody gave him serious proposition).
Gobert as in inside force and Ntilikina with his great D + clutch shots.
Lack of team spirit made the US loose this game !

Nando is a nightmare. He really bothered Delly with his size. Plus Evan is just that quick scorer where Gobert was a great big to help Evan get separation from his defender.
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Post#2707 » by AdagioPace » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:07 pm

USA sucks at basketball confirmed? :D
I think the NBA needs to implement their rules in order to make them more "american" so that NBA basketball becomes "american basketball" and the US can start dominate again within their own sport. Of course the new NBA title/prize will be called "champions of the world" for ego-caressing purposes. 8-)
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Post#2708 » by remi_222 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:10 pm

AdagioPace wrote:USA sucks at basketball confirmed? :D
I think the NBA needs to implement their rules in order to make more "american" so that NBA basketball becomes "american basketball" and the US can start dominate again within their own sport. Of course the new NBA title will be called "champions of the world" for ego-caressing purposes. 8-)


Just like in 2000 and 2006, its a bad for a good for Team USA ! They'll realize that NBA and Bball in general is a different game with different rules !
But there is the pride into defending your country, and the money side in the other hand that forces agent and teams to discourage their players to go compete for a high risk of injury and not making any money playing.
At then end of the road, what NBA players want ? If they want to be the best all the time they should come, if not cool for us we'll have better chances to win
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Post#2709 » by Sgt Major » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:10 pm

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Post#2710 » by Pachinko_ » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:11 pm

Can the US send a 2nd rate team please that is actually suitable for the competition
It's either total overkill or total crap with them LOL
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Post#2711 » by Catchall » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:11 pm

So the whole key to beating France was to slow down Fournier. They should have put Smart or Brown on him all game. Instead they put Joe Harris on him at the start and just let Gobert set screens for him much of the game. The defensive game plan was soft.
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Post#2712 » by MrSparkle » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:12 pm

Well the signs were all there. I think at the top of the list, you have to admit that a LOT of talent more suitable for the FIBA game backed out. Plan A guys were already out, but the Plan B cancellations really hurt from a “skills needed” pov: shooters and playmakers (Harden, Lillard, Gordon and McCollum).

Besides a more talented high IQ distributor (Curry, Lillard, Kyrie), I think they needed another bail-out shooter. Kemba was kind of that guy, but he crumbled today and it was over.

Middleton, Lopez, are the types who brick when the going gets tough. Mitchell is a crafty scorer but not a consistent sharp-shooter.

Tight spacing and zone defense, you really need confident marksmen. The big men were mediocre, but you need your guards to open up the game, especially against tight and aggressive zone defense.

Also didn’t help that this wasn’t the tightest group of guys in the same age range. Bit of a mish mash beyond the Celtics core (which hasn’t played an NBA game with Kemba yet).
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Post#2713 » by Catchall » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:12 pm

Oh, and our centers sucked today. USA got nothing from its bigs.
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Post#2714 » by Pachinko_ » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:13 pm

Looks like AUS-Spain and FRA-ARG in the semis. Nice!
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Post#2715 » by Pharmcat » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:14 pm

Serves team USA right for doing melo dirty . He surely would've led the team on his back given his experience in international tournaments
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Post#2716 » by SwatLakeCity527 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:14 pm

As Jazz fan, I can't really complain. Mitchell was likely the only player on the team that you can't really blame at all, and Gobert and Ingles are showing out in this tournament. It even makes me happy to see Ricky do his thing.

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Post#2717 » by G R E Y » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:15 pm

Well Team USA made adjustments, grinded it out in the 3rd Q to come back from a double digit deficit, but went cold in the 4th and despite good defense, couldn't knock down shots they had to make. Huge FT discrepancy in the first half, but then went cold from the FT line in the second half.

This is a learning experience for the development of the program, and I think it has to start at younger levels for American players to want to take part in FIBA WC. Moving the tournament a year prior to the Olympics made it even harder for stars to want to participate, so that's both valuing playing on the national team at the WC level and schedule as challenges this team had to overcome.

I'm not American, but I've really felt the sentiment against the team far more watching more closely this year. I would say that reactionary and distasteful are a kind way to put it, even from fans whose teams also did not advance though were expected to, teams who've been together longer and to whom this is more weighty.

I see this team as a transition team, one which had to deal with a lot of adversity well before the games began, and even during with some key injuries (Smart, Tatum as starter) that affected chemistry that was already short in that Team USA basically had completely different players in the mini-camps last summer and this one in Las Vegas. And yes, of course a team that has been together six weeks playing against teams who know each other well from participating in FIBA for far longer is also a factor. It's not just a case of team mates on respective teams (Cs or Bucks, for instance) and things magically coming together in a new system. People keep pointing to players who 'should' have been on the team without realizing most of the players mentioned dropped out themselves.

Some may look at these factors as excuses, like Team USA should always play well, but that's attributing past success to current circumstances. They are nevertheless contributing contexts for the challenges a new team in transition has faced.

Huge credit and respect to the players and coaches who chose to participate in developing a transition team, made a commitment, stepped up, and took the risk upon themselves and for one another.
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Post#2718 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:17 pm

MrSparkle wrote:Well the signs were all there. I think at the top of the list, you have to admit that a LOT of talent more suitable for the FIBA game backed out. Plan A guys were already out, but the Plan B cancellations really hurt from a “skills needed” pov: shooters and playmakers (Harden, Lillard, Gordon and McCollum).

Besides a more talented high IQ distributor (Curry, Lillard, Kyrie), I think they needed another bail-out shooter. Kemba was kind of that guy, but he crumbled today and it was over.

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Tight spacing and zone defense, you really need confident marksmen. The big men were mediocre, but you need your guards to open up the game, especially against tight and aggressive zone defense.

Also didn’t help that this wasn’t the tightest group of guys in the same age range. Bit of a mish mash beyond the Celtics core (which hasn’t played an NBA game with Kemba yet).



The centers and lack of any real power forward were the biggest issues, I think the guards & wings were fine but the frontcourt was just bad and full of flaws. If you play Turner or Lopez you run the risk of getting killed on the glass, if you play Plumlee he kills your spacing.

Going small against a team with Gobert on it was just stupid, I don't like the shift in USA basketballs obsession with going small even when they don't have the personnel to do it, there were times Joe Harris was on Gobert. You need a very specific type of player to pull off going small like that (Tucker, Draymond etc) and they didn't have it yet still tried anyway despite the fact Gobert was killing them.
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Post#2719 » by brutalitops » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:17 pm

We just nuked the third quarter. Goulding taking the piss
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Post#2720 » by zimpy27 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:18 pm

Team USA should have kept Kuzma. They needed some more size and a dynamic scoring option.
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