Bob8 wrote:Can I name very solid Nba starter, top 50 player, who was nobody in Euroleague and he played there and being nobody for 4 seasons?
You have someone in mind?
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Bob8 wrote:Can I name very solid Nba starter, top 50 player, who was nobody in Euroleague and he played there and being nobody for 4 seasons?
jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:Can I name very solid Nba starter, top 50 player, who was nobody in Euroleague and he played there and being nobody for 4 seasons?
You have someone in mind?
old skool wrote:The NBA and FIBA seem to be very different types of basketball competitions. Not only are games played under different rules and with different balls on different courts, but the competitive formats seem to be very different. Central to the NBA competition format is an 82 game regular season. The travel alone adds to the complexity of the basketball year. That regular season is followed by an intense two month playoff season that involves 16 teams.
FIBA seems to be more like NCAA basketball with respect to the number of regular season games played and the nature of the post season. Like most US NBA fans, I don't know very much about FIBA or Euroleague, but it sounds like they play a fraction of the games in the regular season and playoffs compared to the NBA.
jason bourne wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:The Real Dalic wrote:I'm starting to get an Anti-American vibe from these threads. Every. Single. Loss. Is brought up and made into a thread this summer. I don't even know of anyone that's excited or watching the team this year. No one in America seems to care about Fiba. Only the Olympics. People get so excited after every loss. I haven't watched a second of a Team USA game and I know they lost at least 3 times and another time to a G-League squad in practice, just because of the amount of threads. I haven't seen a thread about a win though.
The only thing I cared about this Fiba Tournament was how Montenegro, Nigeria, and France was doing because of Nikola Vucevic, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Evan Fournier. That's it.
For some reason, 90% of this forum always puts the Olympics and FIBA as two separate things.......however, FIBA runs and controls the Olympics basketball. It's the same exact thing. The Olympics only has a say in where the tournament is held, and how many teams can play. FIBA controls everything else.
It really makes no sense why American NBA fans consider it to be separate things. It isn't, the Olympics basketball is part of FIBA, not a separate entity.
Olympic basketball isn't under FIBA now. It won't be until 2020. Maybe the US should just play the Olympics and ignore rest of FIBA.
Doctor MJ wrote:I don't understand why people jump in a thread and say basically, "This thing you're all talking about. I'm too ignorant to know anything about it. Lollerskates!"
Mirotic12 wrote:Cassalien wrote:Mirotic12 wrote:2019 FIBA World Cup Quarterfinals:
France 89 - USA 79
Make it 10 losses since 2002. This 2019 FIBA World Cup proved that just a team of 12 NBA rotation players, even if several of them are starters, isn't enough to win even a bronze medal against international competition. Even though lots of teams missed key players at the tournament.
The whole idea that most American sports fans and commentators and "analysts", and even NBA executives and coaches have- that the worst player in the NBA would automatically be the best player anywhere else in the world, is obviously ludicrous and absolutely untrue.
lol what a take. France has 4 NBA players plus the DPOY of the NBA on their team. The best non NBA player on that team is most likely De Colo and he wouldnt even be a second string PG in the NBA cuz his defense was and still is pretty horrible. Gobert was able to do whatever he wanted out there and Kemba didnt look like he wanted to be on the field tonight. There is a reason why NBA and former NBA players light up other leagues around the globe once they are too washed for the NBA or just look at the lockout season and how for example Deron Williams was able to do whatever he wanted to playing in Turkey.
Another team that made the quarter finals in china was the czech republic and they got outplayed badly by the USA and would have again today.
Maybe one day you will realize how inferior the Euroleague is to the NBA or maybe during the upcoming pre season when NBA teams dont give a damn but play against these Euroleague teams again and win almost any game without even trying
So a team of 4 NBA players, none of which is among the very best players in the NBA, is better than a team of 12 NBA players? That's the best argument you can come up with?
This result for Team USA is absolute proof that the NBA is extremely overrated. If the NBA is really so much better than all other leagues, and really is on the level people claim it is, then a team of 12 current NBA players (starters and rotation players) would be invincible at a tournament like this, and wouldn't lose once even in 100 games.
The NBA myth, that has mainly been created through its marketing gimmicks, has been busted immensely with this 2019 US team failing to even get past the quarterfinals, and not even managing to get a bronze medal.
Bob8 wrote:jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:Can I name very solid Nba starter, top 50 player, who was nobody in Euroleague and he played there and being nobody for 4 seasons?
You have someone in mind?
Joe Ingles.
https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003062#!careerstats
jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:jinxed wrote:
You have someone in mind?
Joe Ingles.
https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003062#!careerstats
1. Joe Ingles is a WAY better player now than he was 5 years ago. Just look at his progression within his time in the NBA.
2. Joe Ingles wasn't a nobody in Euroleague. He was a key player on Maccabi Tel-Aviv team that won the championship in 2014,perhaps their best all-around player during Ingles last season in Euroleague. And before that he was a key player on FC Barcelona team that made it to the final four every year.
My definition of a nobody is a bench player who barely sees the floor on a crappy team. Not a key player player on a team that wins the championship.
Bob8 wrote:jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:
Joe Ingles.
https://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003062#!careerstats
1. Joe Ingles is a WAY better player now than he was 5 years ago. Just look at his progression within his time in the NBA.
2. Joe Ingles wasn't a nobody in Euroleague. He was a key player on Maccabi Tel-Aviv team that won the championship in 2014,perhaps their best all-around player during Ingles last season in Euroleague. And before that he was a key player on FC Barcelona team that made it to the final four every year.
My definition of a nobody is a bench player who barely sees the floor on a crappy team. Not a key player player on a team that wins the championship.
5.6/2/2 with not particularly good shooting is your key player? He has made in F4 with Maccabi in 2 games, 2 points, 1 rebound and 0 assists, accumulated numbers. Pir -1. In playoffs before F4 he averaged 4/2/1. Fg% 35. Please be serious. Just for comparison, Rice has averaged 20/4.5/2 in the same F4, with avg. PIR 23.
jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:jinxed wrote:
1. Joe Ingles is a WAY better player now than he was 5 years ago. Just look at his progression within his time in the NBA.
2. Joe Ingles wasn't a nobody in Euroleague. He was a key player on Maccabi Tel-Aviv team that won the championship in 2014,perhaps their best all-around player during Ingles last season in Euroleague. And before that he was a key player on FC Barcelona team that made it to the final four every year.
My definition of a nobody is a bench player who barely sees the floor on a crappy team. Not a key player player on a team that wins the championship.
5.6/2/2 with not particularly good shooting is your key player? He has made in F4 with Maccabi in 2 games, 2 points, 1 rebound and 0 assists, accumulated numbers. Pir -1. In playoffs before F4 he averaged 4/2/1. Fg% 35. Please be serious. Just for comparison, Rice has averaged 20/4.5/2 in the same F4, with avg. PIR 23.
Not particular good shooting? Joe had 48% FG, and 42% 3P, that's fantastic. He and Devin Smith were the two best shooters on the team. He was 4th on the team in minutes played. 3rd in Assists, 2nd in steals. Yea, he was a key member of the team.
He averaged 6 points a game, which doesn't sound like a lot, but the leading scorer on that team only averaged 12! Their second leading scorer averaged 10, and every one else was in single digits. David Blatt's offense got everyone involved.
Bob8 wrote:jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:
5.6/2/2 with not particularly good shooting is your key player? He has made in F4 with Maccabi in 2 games, 2 points, 1 rebound and 0 assists, accumulated numbers. Pir -1. In playoffs before F4 he averaged 4/2/1. Fg% 35. Please be serious. Just for comparison, Rice has averaged 20/4.5/2 in the same F4, with avg. PIR 23.
Not particular good shooting? Joe had 48% FG, and 42% 3P, that's fantastic. He and Devin Smith were the two best shooters on the team. He was 4th on the team in minutes played. 3rd in Assists, 2nd in steals. Yea, he was a key member of the team.
He averaged 6 points a game, which doesn't sound like a lot, but the leading scorer on that team only averaged 12! Their second leading scorer averaged 10, and every one else was in single digits. David Blatt's offense got everyone involved.
Do you watch Euroleague? It doesn’t look you do. Regular season is more or less walking in the park for the best teams. Only real advantage is to have home court advantage in playoffs, which Maccabi didn’t have either. The real thing starts in playoffs and in the end only 2 matches in F4 really matters. Ingles in those 6 important matches averaged 3/1.5/1 in 14 minutes of playing. If that is enough to qualify someone as a key player, than he was a key player. The real hero, star or a key player was Rice of course. Who averaged 20 points in F4. Is it normal that key players are playing less than 15 minutes in important matches?
Btw. 6/3/3 is very modest even for low scoring Euroleague.
BlueSan wrote:One fun fact about the Olympics guys
The most played and watched sport on Earth Football/Soccer.
How is football handled in Olympics?
Youth teams are playing it....
So yeah...
jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:jinxed wrote:
Not particular good shooting? Joe had 48% FG, and 42% 3P, that's fantastic. He and Devin Smith were the two best shooters on the team. He was 4th on the team in minutes played. 3rd in Assists, 2nd in steals. Yea, he was a key member of the team.
He averaged 6 points a game, which doesn't sound like a lot, but the leading scorer on that team only averaged 12! Their second leading scorer averaged 10, and every one else was in single digits. David Blatt's offense got everyone involved.
Do you watch Euroleague? It doesn’t look you do. Regular season is more or less walking in the park for the best teams. Only real advantage is to have home court advantage in playoffs, which Maccabi didn’t have either. The real thing starts in playoffs and in the end only 2 matches in F4 really matters. Ingles in those 6 important matches averaged 3/1.5/1 in 14 minutes of playing. If that is enough to qualify someone as a key player, than he was a key player. The real hero, star or a key player was Rice of course. Who averaged 20 points in F4. Is it normal that key players are playing less than 15 minutes in important matches?
Btw. 6/3/3 is very modest even for low scoring Euroleague.
The Final4 is 2 games. The rest of the season Joe Ingles played 28 games. I put more weight on those 28 games, then I do on 2 games. Ingles played less in the championship game because Real Madrid rolled out 3 guard in crunch time - Rudy, Sergio Rodriguez, Llull, and Blatt went with 3 guards as well to match. You can't judge Ingles euroleague season on matchups in that game, or in just a handful of other games.
Bob8 wrote:jinxed wrote:Bob8 wrote:
Do you watch Euroleague? It doesn’t look you do. Regular season is more or less walking in the park for the best teams. Only real advantage is to have home court advantage in playoffs, which Maccabi didn’t have either. The real thing starts in playoffs and in the end only 2 matches in F4 really matters. Ingles in those 6 important matches averaged 3/1.5/1 in 14 minutes of playing. If that is enough to qualify someone as a key player, than he was a key player. The real hero, star or a key player was Rice of course. Who averaged 20 points in F4. Is it normal that key players are playing less than 15 minutes in important matches?
Btw. 6/3/3 is very modest even for low scoring Euroleague.
The Final4 is 2 games. The rest of the season Joe Ingles played 28 games. I put more weight on those 28 games, then I do on 2 games. Ingles played less in the championship game because Real Madrid rolled out 3 guard in crunch time - Rudy, Sergio Rodriguez, Llull, and Blatt went with 3 guards as well to match. You can't judge Ingles euroleague season on matchups in that game, or in just a handful of other games.
He was nonexistent in F4, against Real and Cska. Made 2 points combined. He was bad in playoffs(4games), he avg. 4 points in playoffs and he was average in regular season.
You’re arguing with me about a player, whose career stats in EuroLeague are 5.6/2/2. Really?