TheBoi10 wrote:Who knows. Without TIm Duncan and Kawhi Leonard no one knows who Popovich is.
I'm pretty sure without Kawhi and with only Tim everyone would still know Pop
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TheBoi10 wrote:Who knows. Without TIm Duncan and Kawhi Leonard no one knows who Popovich is.
draftnightsuit wrote:If Popovich landed the #2 pick and ended up with Keith Van Horn he’d be fired before 2000.
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.
fianchetto wrote::nonono: The disrespect in this thread
druggas wrote:LloydFree wrote:draftnightsuit wrote:If Popovich landed the #2 pick and ended up with Keith Van Horn he’d be fired before 2000.
No he wouldn't have. He was the GM. He would have never come down to the bench to steal Bob Hill's job, if they hadn't won the lottery.
No truer words than these.
BombsquadSammy wrote:druggas wrote:LloydFree wrote:No he wouldn't have. He was the GM. He would have never come down to the bench to steal Bob Hill's job, if they hadn't won the lottery.
No truer words than these.
Pop started coaching during the season before the Spurs won the lottery-- so those words are factually untrue.
But it's a moot point anyhow; Bob Hill's peerless body of work speaks for itself, and he doesn't need any advocacy. He's everybody's all-American.
druggas wrote:"Hill piloted the San Antonio Spurs to an NBA-best 62 wins in 1994–95 before losing to the Houston Rockets in the Western Conference finals. After a 3-15 start to the 1996–97 season, Hill was fired by one of his bosses, Gregg Popovich, who thereafter replaced Hill as the Spurs coach. Hill's firing at the time was puzzling to some and deeply angered Hill, considering his previous success and the fact that the poor start to the season was due in large part to injuries to David Robinson and Sean Elliott, the team's two best players"
That's being set up to fail.
Jabroni Lames wrote:Hill won 62 and 59 games back-to-back and then he got fired by Pop, when Robinson and Elliot were injured. A .740 winning percentage? That's cold-blooded. All indications are that Hill would have had the same success as Pop when Duncan arrived.
udfa wrote:druggas wrote:"Hill piloted the San Antonio Spurs to an NBA-best 62 wins in 1994–95 before losing to the Houston Rockets in the Western Conference finals. After a 3-15 start to the 1996–97 season, Hill was fired by one of his bosses, Gregg Popovich, who thereafter replaced Hill as the Spurs coach. Hill's firing at the time was puzzling to some and deeply angered Hill, considering his previous success and the fact that the poor start to the season was due in large part to injuries to David Robinson and Sean Elliott, the team's two best players"
That's being set up to fail.Jabroni Lames wrote:Hill won 62 and 59 games back-to-back and then he got fired by Pop, when Robinson and Elliot were injured. A .740 winning percentage? That's cold-blooded. All indications are that Hill would have had the same success as Pop when Duncan arrived.
A few notes:
Before Bob Hill joined SAS in 1995 they had 5 consecutive playoff berths (and 5 winning seasons), won their division (7 teams) twice and averaged 52 wins per season. They had their best season to date in Hill's inaugural campaign, winning 62 and losing in the WCF to the champ Rockets. Then in 1996 they won 59 and lost in the West Semis.
Hill went 3-15 before he was fired in the 96-97 season and had been blownout in three straight games including a 16 point home loss to the expansion franchise Vancouver who won 14 games. Sean Elliott played 17 of those 18 games. After Pop took over the Spurs went 17-47 despite only having Elliott for 21 of those 64 games. Pop replacing Hill resulted in an improvement by win pct from .167 to .266.
At SA, Bob Hill had a win pct of .681. At his three other teams a win pct of .401 and a 3-9 playoff record. Pop went on to lead SA to 5 NBA titles.
Jabroni Lames wrote:BombsquadSammy wrote:druggas wrote:No truer words than these.
Pop started coaching during the season before the Spurs won the lottery-- so those words are factually untrue.
But it's a moot point anyhow; Bob Hill's peerless body of work speaks for itself, and he doesn't need any advocacy. He's everybody's all-American.
Hill won 62 and 59 games back-to-back and then he got fired by Pop, when Robinson and Elliot were injured. A .740 winning percentage? That's cold-blooded. All indications are that Hill would have had the same success as Pop when Duncan arrived.
BombsquadSammy wrote:Jabroni Lames wrote:BombsquadSammy wrote:
Pop started coaching during the season before the Spurs won the lottery-- so those words are factually untrue.
But it's a moot point anyhow; Bob Hill's peerless body of work speaks for itself, and he doesn't need any advocacy. He's everybody's all-American.
Hill won 62 and 59 games back-to-back and then he got fired by Pop, when Robinson and Elliot were injured. A .740 winning percentage? That's cold-blooded. All indications are that Hill would have had the same success as Pop when Duncan arrived.
What are these indicators? What did Hill ever accomplish before or after his stint in San Antonio?
I anticipate 'What did Pop ever accomplish without Duncan?' as a response to this, and it would've been a fair question in 1996-- but in 2019, it's just a fun question to answer: leading a team through two complete overhauls/rebuilds, both of playing philosophy and of roster construction, winning titles with each iteration; winning titles in three different decades; keeping his team in the playoffs for 22 consecutive seasons with a 50-win pace for 19 straight seasons despite those rebuilds and adjustments; turning the last pick of the first round in 2001 (Parker) and the second-to-last pick of the entire 1999 draft (Gino) into champions and hall-of-fame candidates; turning mid-first-rounder (Leonard) into a two-time Finals MVP and top-five player; and let's not forget winning an average of 52 games per season in the three years since Duncan retired, despite the disaster surrounding Leonard two seasons ago, being battered by injuries last year, and despite having to run all-timers such as Kyle Anderson and Patty Mills in the starting lineup during that stretch. Pop's oeuvre speaks for itself.
Let's not pretend like Duncan was prime in 2014 when we won perhaps our most impressive title of all, either; it was the system ('the beautiful game') that won us that title, and everyone knows it.
Hill, on the other hand, didn't land another coaching job for nine years after leaving S.A., and when he did, he lasted less than two seasons, with a .395 winning percentage. And let's not act like he didn't inherit a 55-win team when he came to San Antonio; is John Lucas an all-time-great, too? He did as well in the RS as Hill ever did. If we're going to attribute all of a coach's success to a player, as many seem to want to do with Pop and Duncan, take note of the fact that Hill is 138-173 without David Robinson; Pop is almost exactly the reciprocal-- 173-137-- in non-Duncan seasons.
There's a reason he commands universal respect around both the league and the basketball world; there's a reason nearly one-third of the entire league's coaching and management trees can trace their roots back to Pop. Or maybe he has all those people fooled, but a handful of people on an internet message board know the real story.
BombsquadSammy wrote:Hill, on the other hand, didn't land another coaching job for nine years after leaving S.A.
Capn'O wrote:BombsquadSammy wrote:Hill, on the other hand, didn't land another coaching job for nine years after leaving S.A.
Can't believe Pop blackballed Bob Hill like that. Added to a legacy of shame. SHAME!Spoiler:
Arteezy wrote:Make your guess on where he would be now.
Philipines?
Canada?
College?
China? No, forget that , he does not seem to win in China.
Jabroni Lames wrote:Spoiler:
Whether it was Bob Hill or not.... a 60-win coach adding a future top-10 GOAT talent to the roster is a pretty good indicator of future success. That's not even considering the culture impact of Duncan, because of his unselfish demeanor and professional work ethic. Pop gets way more credit than he deserves for the Spurs culture. Spurs culture didn't work with Kawhi and Pop butted heads on & off with Aldridge.
Capn'O wrote:Can't believe Pop blackballed Bob Hill like that. Added to a legacy of shame. SHAME!
BombsquadSammy wrote:...
Jabroni Lames wrote:Capn'O wrote:BombsquadSammy wrote:Hill, on the other hand, didn't land another coaching job for nine years after leaving S.A.
Can't believe Pop blackballed Bob Hill like that. Added to a legacy of shame. SHAME!Spoiler:
Nobody's hating on Pop. People are legitimately wondering how much success he would have had if Duncan hadn't arrived on the scene. And how much success a different coach would have had if Duncan fell into their lap.
It's a fair question. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.