Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season

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Will Siakam be a top 5 player at the end of the season?

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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#61 » by fianchetto » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:26 am

dacrusha wrote:Siakam has one or two good post moves, no mid range game and a suspect handle... not to mention he’s still learning to be a playmaker for others.

His bread and butter is transition, but this won’t be enough to make him a top 20 player let alone top 5.

If he’s an all-star this year, consider it a good season. I’m not expecting all-NBA status, though.


I agree with your assessment for next year. However, if he continues his progression (and that's a big if), it's very possible he makes an all NBA team or even two in the future. Derozan and Lowry made an All NBA team on the raptors, and Siakam has shown at least as much as those guys did at 25 years old.

Also, not to compare him to Giannis, because he's nowhere near the same player, but your description of Siakam isn't so far off from a description that would fit Giannis:

Giannis and Siakam:

No shot (though Siakam can be serviceable from the corner 3), unstoppable in transition, good defense

Giannis: more moves in the half court, better bbiq from playing point

Siakam: really good motor, championship experience

I think it's arguable Siakam was top 25 last year (playoffs included). A top 25 player can for sure be an all star in the East, so agreed on that possibility.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#62 » by Clay Davis » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:27 am

RyderMike wrote:Siakam will be a Top 5 player this season
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in the Atlantic Division
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That's still pretty good. Embiid, Kemba, Horford, Kyrie would be guys I think many would put ahead of him

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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#63 » by fianchetto » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:27 am

boston_fan_ct wrote:um... no. that means he will be better than Kawhi or Lebron or Durrant or Harden or Gianis? No. I think not. not even in the conversation. just watch the 2019 NBA season to see... No Kawhi his team will struggle to make the playoffs.


Raptors struggling to make the playoffs without Kawhi is almost as bad a take as Siakam being top 5 next year
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#64 » by Duffman100 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:27 am

Ugh this already but too many pages.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#65 » by Pennebaker » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:40 am

Year 1: 11.5 PER
Year 2: 14.5
Year 3: 18.7

For top 5 status you're projecting his Year 4 to be at least a 27.0 PER, up from 18.7, and that just isn't going to happen. If he's really lucky he'll put up a 22.0, which would put him in the top 25.
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Post#66 » by Soulcatcher33 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:42 am

:-? I like Siakam, but this is laughable.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#67 » by prime1time » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:44 am

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Siakam was unbelievable last year, he won the MIP while helping his team win the championship. Just check out this offseason video of him improving his jumpshot. He's essentially Giannis but with a 3pt shot. His jumper is WET WET WET!! :nod:

You heard it here first, he's going to breakout this year another level into superstardom. He's an elite defender that can't be stopped when he's attacking you (maybe Embiid but he stops everyone).

We have the perfect coach in Nick Nurse that isn't afraid to think outside the box (think box and one in an nba finals game :lol: ). He's going to give Siakam every opportunity to succeed and he's already told him that he's going to be the man this season. Fantasy players make sure you pick him up early. I told yall last year before the season started that Siakam is going to have a breakout year based on all the praise that Durant and all the star players gave him after they saw him workout in the preseason. I'm telling you again he's going to break out again and reach another level.

Take it to the bank.

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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#68 » by Pop Daddy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:44 am

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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#69 » by prime1time » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:51 am

Siakam's a very awkward offensive player. He can shoot 3's and he can use his length to finish at the hoop, but simply lacks the offensive polish to become an elite scorer. So the chances of him being top 5 player are slim to none. And that's not even a diss to him. You have to match expectations to talent. Fans love to set unreleaistic expectations, but unless you'll be holding that player to those expectations during the season all your post serves as is a physical manifestation of your self-delusion. Are you going to say Siakam's season is a failure if he averages 24, 7 and 4? Because even if he does that he won't be top 5. Meanwhile you got guys like LBJ who, if they put up 24, 7 and 4 people would say he's completely lost it. Siakam's nowhere close to being a top 5 player. And to post that he might be without any real evidence to back-up your claim is a textbook example of self-delusion.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#70 » by spicy6 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:59 am

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spicy6 wrote:He'd be lucky to be top 25


Top 5 is crazy, but this is a pretty bad take all in its own....

https://www.si.com/nba/top-100-nba-players-2020#30-21


Just being objective here. I'll be pretty surprised if he is a top 25 player, that being said hes a very capable player and that doesnt make him any worse regardless if he isnt.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#71 » by Yeezus_ » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:08 am

BoogieTime wrote:Raptors fans can’t accept the inevitable decline

Y’all won’t be good. Lowry/Gasol/Ibaka we al. not aging? OG suddenly stepping up? Siakam becoming this?

Nah, y’all are going to learn about non contending basketball like everyone else

"Like everyone else"

You mean like yall specifically lol
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#72 » by Yeezus_ » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:10 am

I dont think he'll be top 5 but top 15 is achievable.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#73 » by NinjaBro » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:53 am

prime1time wrote:Siakam's a very awkward offensive player. He can shoot 3's and he can use his length to finish at the hoop, but simply lacks the offensive polish to become an elite scorer. So the chances of him being top 5 player are slim to none. And that's not even a diss to him. You have to match expectations to talent. Fans love to set unreleaistic expectations, but unless you'll be holding that player to those expectations during the season all your post serves as is a physical manifestation of your self-delusion. Are you going to say Siakam's season is a failure if he averages 24, 7 and 4? Because even if he does that he won't be top 5. Meanwhile you got guys like LBJ who, if they put up 24, 7 and 4 people would say he's completely lost it. Siakam's nowhere close to being a top 5 player. And to post that he might be without any real evidence to back-up your claim is a textbook example of self-delusion.



You know what's funny? Earlier this season there was a thread here on the general board, don't remember the exact topic or if it was Siakam related but the subject did come up if you would rather have Siakam or Ben Simmons. Of course the overwhelming majority laughed this off and to even suggest that we compare the two is downright offensive. Everyone was on the mindset that Simmons was several tiers above Siakam. At that time Siakam was still mired in relative obscurity. Prior to this season he was a bench player that our coach Dwayne Casey made a conscious effort to run our offensive schemes around Derozan and Lowry. Didn't matter if Derozan was shooting 2 for 20 that night, come hell or high water Derozan was going to carry the offensive load and the other players were given "role cards". Valanciunas' job was to grab rebounds. As Zach Lowe pointed out they never passed it to Siakam. His job was to be an energy hustle guy.

So the season began, we got a new coach who is self described as a "mad scientist". He isn't afraid to experiment throughout the season and to give guys the platform to succeed. Then came Siakam's improvement and he started breaking out. I'm seeing him shoot the 3 ball at a 40% clip and the months passed by and he keeps getting better and better. I always thought if he can improve his jumpshot he'll be something special.

Anyways in the thread I stated my opinion, kind of hot-takey at the time that I said I would rather have Siakam and that he will end up a better player than Ben Simmons. Of course this caused a firestorm with the Philly and general board fans saying that I was DELUSIONAL, very much like how the tone of this thread has become. That I needed to put down the crack pipe. Even a few "fake raptor fans who wants to appease the general board" chimed in saying I was out of my mind.
My take on Simmons is although I think he's an elite talent, until he improves his jumpshot he's going to be a liability in the playoffs. Teams can game plan for him as we've seen over and over again.

Fast forward to the end of the season and guess what Sports Illustrated's top 100 has Siakam rated at 24 and Ben Simmons at 23. Whether you think whoever is better between the two is subjective. They're a lot closer than people want to believe. I guess I wasn't delusional after all. I've seen every single second of every game of Siakam's NBA career. I believe what I'm seeing with my own 2 eyes. He can be something special if he keeps improving at this rate.

The playoffs came and Siakam elevates his game against the best defense the league has to offer. He's proven that he can be the 2nd best player on a championship team. Simmons once again proves to be a non factor.

So what does all this has to do with this thread? A lot of what you're saying has the same tenor as the previous thread mentioned above back a year ago. Saying that I'm delusional, unrealistic. You say that he lacks the offensive polish to be an elite scorer. Sure, right now he does but what do you think he's been working on? Saying that his chances are slim to none. How do you know this? Siakam is 25, he has all the physical tools to improve and get better. Is top 5 a reach? of course but I believe he can get better and get there.

Had I made this thread last year and said that Siakam was going to be a top 25 player, I would be laughed at and ridiculed. He was a bench role player at that time. Where would you have ranked Siakam then, top 200 maybe? He was practically an unknown. It's actually understated how much he has improved that SI would rank him 24. I think to make that jump from unknown role player to top 25ish is phenomenal, maybe a bigger leap than from top 25 to top 5? I don't know.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Will Be A Top 5 Player This Season 

Post#74 » by Teko » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:00 am

Tlucyk27 wrote:So in this world one of lebron, harden, giannis, kawhi, george is worse than siakam? Raptors fan since the start but you're making us look bad man


Paul George? First of all, George is not a top 5, not even close. If you have him top 5, then Siakam is not far behind, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Siakam has better upcoming season than George.

Back to the topic, NO, Siakam is not going to be Top 5, but easily top 20 which I think he already is.
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Post#75 » by Cookin Baskets » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:02 am

Top 5 no way but an All-Star appearance would be an accomplishment that is in reach for him. He'll probably average around 21 ppg,8 rpg,4 apg.
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Post#76 » by e83pw2oa9hl5f » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:59 am

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Post#77 » by Triple7 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:11 am

This has to be a joke! :lol: He will score more points this year but with less efficiency. Teams will focus more on him on defense. I don’t think he has enough offensive moves. He will struggle this season.
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Post#78 » by Ballerhogger » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:23 am

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Post#79 » by Triple7 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:36 am

Teko wrote:
Tlucyk27 wrote:So in this world one of lebron, harden, giannis, kawhi, george is worse than siakam? Raptors fan since the start but you're making us look bad man


Paul George? First of all, George is not a top 5, not even close. If you have him top 5, then Siakam is not far behind, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Siakam has better upcoming season than George.

Back to the topic, NO, Siakam is not going to be Top 5, but easily top 20 which I think he already is.


Paul George is top 3 in both MVP and DPoY awards last year. He might not be top 5 in overall talent, but he is top 5 last season. Siakam is nowhere near top 20. Not saying he couldn’t be, but definitely not now. Top 5 is a joke!
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Post#80 » by Teko » Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:50 am

Triple7 wrote:
Teko wrote:
Tlucyk27 wrote:So in this world one of lebron, harden, giannis, kawhi, george is worse than siakam? Raptors fan since the start but you're making us look bad man


Paul George? First of all, George is not a top 5, not even close. If you have him top 5, then Siakam is not far behind, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Siakam has better upcoming season than George.

Back to the topic, NO, Siakam is not going to be Top 5, but easily top 20 which I think he already is.


Paul George is top 3 in both MVP and DPoY awards last year. He might not be top 5 in overall talent, but he is top 5 last season. Siakam is nowhere near top 20. Not saying he couldn’t be, but definitely not now. Top 5 is a joke!


PG had a career year no doubt last season, but I don't think he can maintain that this year, already huge dropped off last quarter of the season. I watched tons of PG13 (huge RW fan myself) and Siakam last season, Siakam is really not far behind. Siakam also outplayed Draymond last Finals (whole season in my opinion). Ranked #16th in Win Shares last season.

As long as Siakam is better than his last year (don't need huge improvement), he's easily top 20, "nowhere" near top 20 is a joke!

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