Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!

[Rayshard7]

With no news on Chuma and 18 out of 20 players signed for training camp when we will sign the other 2 players hopefully a shooter and energy combo forward

[j-ragg]

With no news on Chuma and 18 out of 20 players signed for training camp when we will sign the other 2 players hopefully a shooter and energy combo forward

Get ready for a long synopsis since you brought it up...

[The Real Dalic]

15 days till Media Day at least. Need something soon. Miss the Magic/NBA.

[pepe1991]

Oladipo was like 23 his second year. Bamba will be 21 this year, the same age as Vucevic's rookie year.

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Oladipo was 22 in second year.
Tobias was 20 in second year.
Bamba will be 21.

It's irrelevant difference.

They played on garbage teams, where they got a bunch of playing time and usage.



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Orlando was 18-29 with him playing as backup. They were garbage him while he was backup and he was one of reasons why.

[Knightro]

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[ezzzp]

With no news on Chuma and 18 out of 20 players signed for training camp when we will sign the other 2 players hopefully a shooter and energy combo forward

Get ready for a long synopsis since you brought it up...

Get ready for a useless hot take since you brought it up...

[Howard Mass]

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Got my DVR set to record for a few hours both ways to make sure I get it.

Wondering when they will announce TV Schedule so we know how Preseason Games will be televised.

[Ducklett]

Oladipo was 22 in second year.
Tobias was 20 in second year.
Bamba will be 21.

It's irrelevant difference.

They played on garbage teams, where they got a bunch of playing time and usage.



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Orlando was 18-29 with him playing as backup. They were garbage him while he was backup and he was one of reasons why.

You can't possibly think that the 18-29 record was majorly because of Bamba.

Ross and Evan were pretty bad, averaging ~14 ppg on 13 shots a game each (that isn't good) and J. Simms was a walking garbage fire.

You want to say Bamba was bad, sure I would totally agree. But he had little effect on the game and no usage on offense on a second unit with AG and J.Sims taking most, if not all, of the shots with that unit some games.

Evan was also shooting the 3 WORSE THAN AG and only 3% better than Bamba taking his first season of NBA 3 distance shots... Look at some of the great 3% shooters moving from college to NBA. It takes a pretty huge chunk on their percentages for the first year or two. Hell, when we drafted JJ his shot went from 42% to 38% and he was considered one of the best shooters in all of college basketball.

TLDR: Bamba wasn't great in his rookie campaign. Evan sucked way more based on their impact and role on the team.

[basketballRob]

Oladipo was 22 in second year.
Tobias was 20 in second year.
Bamba will be 21.

It's irrelevant difference.

They played on garbage teams, where they got a bunch of playing time and usage.



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Orlando was 18-29 with him playing as backup. They were garbage him while he was backup and he was one of reasons why.

Yes and they also had no backup point guard.

I'll check later what Khem's win loss record when he played more than 10 minutes and Grant was the backup.

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[Ducklett]

Or.. holding onto this star duo until their value was zero



btw Harris averaged 17 ppg for Magic during his second year, Oladipo averaged 18 a game in second year. I highly doubt Bamba , Ntkilina or whoever that post was about will average 18 a game any time soon. Probably ever.

Oladipo was like 23 his second year. Bamba will be 21 this year, the same age as Vucevic's rookie year.

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Oladipo was 22 in second year.
Tobias was 20 in second year.
Bamba will be 21.

It's irrelevant difference.

So this was bugging me because both Bamba and Tobias were both 1 and done players, so how could Bamba be a year older than Tobias. Was Bamba so dumb he got held back a year? Did Tobias skip a year or cheaty face into kindergarten a year early like I did (Birthday was after the cut off, mom was a teach so the school let me start Kindergarten as a 4 year old)? Oh, it turns out that Pepe is incorrect. So, Bamba was born in May and Tobias was born in July, they were born seven years apart and drafted seven years apart. The Draft is in June, so Bamba would have been "20" for the draft while Tobias would have been "19". Even then, in their second year Bamba would be 2 months older than Tobias would have been in his second year, but Pepe reports that as a full year of difference.

Fake news?

[pepe1991]

Oladipo was like 23 his second year. Bamba will be 21 this year, the same age as Vucevic's rookie year.

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Oladipo was 22 in second year.
Tobias was 20 in second year.
Bamba will be 21.

It's irrelevant difference.

So this was bugging me because both Bamba and Tobias were both 1 and done players, so how could Bamba be a year older than Tobias. Was Bamba so dumb he got held back a year? Did Tobias skip a year or cheaty face into kindergarten a year early like I did (Birthday was after the cut off, mom was a teach so the school let me start Kindergarten as a 4 year old)? Oh, it turns out that Pepe is incorrect. So, Bamba was born in May and Tobias was born in July, they were born seven years apart and drafted seven years apart. The Draft is in June, so Bamba would have been "20" for the draft while Tobias would have been "19". Even then, in their second year Bamba would be 2 months older than Tobias would have been in his second year, but Pepe reports that as a full year of difference.

Fake news?

Born in July of 1992, played rookie year that started in October of 2011 and finished in April 2012 means that he finished rookie year while still being 19 years old.

Born in May of 1998, played rookie year that started in October of 2018 and finished in April of 2019 means Mo Bamba was 20 during whole rookie year.

That is why basketball reference refer to Harris rookie year as "19 years old" and Bamba as "20" . because it's something factual

This is nothing new , Sekou Doumbouya and Talen Horton-Tucker are both 18 years old and will finish rookie years being just 19.
Where Doumbouya played in France he didn't fall into "regular"college rules, Talen actually did play at college, yet will still be just 18 when nba season starts, and 19 when it finishes, in mean time Cam Reddish played one year at college but is already 20.

Suggesting i'm doing "fake news" and in same time failing at 1st grade math is pretty sad.

As for how team performed with Bamba, net rating says it all.

You blame Ross and Evan for team's poor performance, yet ignore that Bamba played all the way until end of January, where team lost 9 of 12 games, yet, in second he is gone, team wins 6 of next 7 games and finishes month with 8 -3 record. Coincidence?

How about team having 17-3 record with Birch playing <15min while in mean time around 13-20 record when Bamba was playing <15 min'

The Magic had their worst net rating this year with Bamba on the court at -15.2 points per 100 possessions. Orlando gave up 108.3 points per 100 possessions with Bamba on the floor.

When Khem Birch was on the floor, the Magic had a +2.8 net rating and a 102.0 defensive rating.

As for pinning blame on Evan and TRoss

The three-man lineup of Mohamed Bamba, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier played together just 122 minutes together at a -23.4 net rating.

A lot of those had to come while the Magic were experimenting with a twin tower lineup of Bamba and Vucevic together on the floor. That unit. . . did not work — -37.5 net rating in 36 minutes.

So he was terrible with every single Magic starter.

I just don't get why it's so "taboo" to say that player sucked during rookie year? How many rookies don't ? Pretty much only all time greatest come off gate and are transending, even Lebron missed playoffs in rookie year.

[Ducklett]

Oladipo was 22 in second year.
Tobias was 20 in second year.
Bamba will be 21.

It's irrelevant difference.

So this was bugging me because both Bamba and Tobias were both 1 and done players, so how could Bamba be a year older than Tobias. Was Bamba so dumb he got held back a year? Did Tobias skip a year or cheaty face into kindergarten a year early like I did (Birthday was after the cut off, mom was a teach so the school let me start Kindergarten as a 4 year old)? Oh, it turns out that Pepe is incorrect. So, Bamba was born in May and Tobias was born in July, they were born seven years apart and drafted seven years apart. The Draft is in June, so Bamba would have been "20" for the draft while Tobias would have been "19". Even then, in their second year Bamba would be 2 months older than Tobias would have been in his second year, but Pepe reports that as a full year of difference.

Fake news?

Born in July of 1992, played rookie year that started in October of 2011 and finished in April 2012 means that he finished rookie year while still being 19 years old.

Born in May of 1998, played rookie year that started in October of 2018 and finished in April of 2019 means Mo Bamba was 20 during whole rookie year.

That is why basketball reference refer to Harris rookie year as "19 years old" and Bamba as "20" . because it's something factual

This is nothing new , Sekou Doumbouya and Talen Horton-Tucker are both 18 years old and will finish rookie years being just 19.
Where Doumbouya played in France he didn't fall into "regular"college rules, Talen actually did play at college, yet will still be just 18 when nba season starts, and 19 when it finishes, in mean time Cam Reddish played one year at college but is already 20.

Suggesting i'm doing "fake news" and in same time failing at 1st grade math is pretty sad.

As for how team performed with Bamba, net rating says it all.

You blame Ross and Evan for team's poor performance, yet ignore that Bamba played all the way until end of January, where team lost 9 of 12 games, yet, in second he is gone, team wins 6 of next 7 games and finishes month with 8 -3 record. Coincidence?

How about team having 17-3 record with Birch playing <15min while in mean time around 13-20 record when Bamba was playing <15 min'

The Magic had their worst net rating this year with Bamba on the court at -15.2 points per 100 possessions. Orlando gave up 108.3 points per 100 possessions with Bamba on the floor.

When Khem Birch was on the floor, the Magic had a +2.8 net rating and a 102.0 defensive rating.

As for pinning blame on Evan and TRoss

The three-man lineup of Mohamed Bamba, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier played together just 122 minutes together at a -23.4 net rating.

A lot of those had to come while the Magic were experimenting with a twin tower lineup of Bamba and Vucevic together on the floor. That unit. . . did not work — -37.5 net rating in 36 minutes.

So he was terrible with every single Magic starter.

I just don't get why it's so "taboo" to say that player sucked during rookie year? How many rookies don't ? Pretty much only all time greatest come off gate and are transending, even Lebron missed playoffs in rookie year.

I apologize. You were totally correct. The bio I looked at for Tobias showed him as born in 1991 and he was born in '92.

Turns out it appears Bamba was held back a year in his schooling at some point (He was already 19 before his Freshman year of college) so maybe he is complete crap.

[pepe1991]

So this was bugging me because both Bamba and Tobias were both 1 and done players, so how could Bamba be a year older than Tobias. Was Bamba so dumb he got held back a year? Did Tobias skip a year or cheaty face into kindergarten a year early like I did (Birthday was after the cut off, mom was a teach so the school let me start Kindergarten as a 4 year old)? Oh, it turns out that Pepe is incorrect. So, Bamba was born in May and Tobias was born in July, they were born seven years apart and drafted seven years apart. The Draft is in June, so Bamba would have been "20" for the draft while Tobias would have been "19". Even then, in their second year Bamba would be 2 months older than Tobias would have been in his second year, but Pepe reports that as a full year of difference.

Fake news?

Born in July of 1992, played rookie year that started in October of 2011 and finished in April 2012 means that he finished rookie year while still being 19 years old.

Born in May of 1998, played rookie year that started in October of 2018 and finished in April of 2019 means Mo Bamba was 20 during whole rookie year.

That is why basketball reference refer to Harris rookie year as "19 years old" and Bamba as "20" . because it's something factual

This is nothing new , Sekou Doumbouya and Talen Horton-Tucker are both 18 years old and will finish rookie years being just 19.
Where Doumbouya played in France he didn't fall into "regular"college rules, Talen actually did play at college, yet will still be just 18 when nba season starts, and 19 when it finishes, in mean time Cam Reddish played one year at college but is already 20.

Suggesting i'm doing "fake news" and in same time failing at 1st grade math is pretty sad.

As for how team performed with Bamba, net rating says it all.

You blame Ross and Evan for team's poor performance, yet ignore that Bamba played all the way until end of January, where team lost 9 of 12 games, yet, in second he is gone, team wins 6 of next 7 games and finishes month with 8 -3 record. Coincidence?

How about team having 17-3 record with Birch playing <15min while in mean time around 13-20 record when Bamba was playing <15 min'

The Magic had their worst net rating this year with Bamba on the court at -15.2 points per 100 possessions. Orlando gave up 108.3 points per 100 possessions with Bamba on the floor.

When Khem Birch was on the floor, the Magic had a +2.8 net rating and a 102.0 defensive rating.

As for pinning blame on Evan and TRoss

The three-man lineup of Mohamed Bamba, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier played together just 122 minutes together at a -23.4 net rating.

A lot of those had to come while the Magic were experimenting with a twin tower lineup of Bamba and Vucevic together on the floor. That unit. . . did not work — -37.5 net rating in 36 minutes.

So he was terrible with every single Magic starter.

I just don't get why it's so "taboo" to say that player sucked during rookie year? How many rookies don't ? Pretty much only all time greatest come off gate and are transending, even Lebron missed playoffs in rookie year.

I apologize. You were totally correct. The bio I looked at for Tobias showed him as born in 1991 and he was born in '92.

Turns out it appears Bamba was held back a year in his schooling at some point (He was already 19 before his Freshman year of college) so maybe he is complete crap.

No problem
In general one and done rule and age limit is pretty awkward thing. You still have players entering nba while being 18 or just turning 19. Thon Maker is entering his 5th nba season and guy will turn 23 at the end of the season
I don't know anything about "holding back" at school in USA, in my country you either pass -because you don't have any Fs , or drop/fail/repeat/ if at end of school year you have at least 3 Fs in subjects OR you didn't fix/corret it on last deadline before start of new school year ( for highschool). At college you drop a year if you didn't collect enough ECTS points to make it to next year ,and you can't move to higher year ( 4th and 5th ) if you didn't " clean" all subjects.

Also it probably depents when you were born ( what month ) .

[fendilim]

So this was bugging me because both Bamba and Tobias were both 1 and done players, so how could Bamba be a year older than Tobias. Was Bamba so dumb he got held back a year? Did Tobias skip a year or cheaty face into kindergarten a year early like I did (Birthday was after the cut off, mom was a teach so the school let me start Kindergarten as a 4 year old)? Oh, it turns out that Pepe is incorrect. So, Bamba was born in May and Tobias was born in July, they were born seven years apart and drafted seven years apart. The Draft is in June, so Bamba would have been "20" for the draft while Tobias would have been "19". Even then, in their second year Bamba would be 2 months older than Tobias would have been in his second year, but Pepe reports that as a full year of difference.

Fake news?

Born in July of 1992, played rookie year that started in October of 2011 and finished in April 2012 means that he finished rookie year while still being 19 years old.

Born in May of 1998, played rookie year that started in October of 2018 and finished in April of 2019 means Mo Bamba was 20 during whole rookie year.

That is why basketball reference refer to Harris rookie year as "19 years old" and Bamba as "20" . because it's something factual

This is nothing new , Sekou Doumbouya and Talen Horton-Tucker are both 18 years old and will finish rookie years being just 19.
Where Doumbouya played in France he didn't fall into "regular"college rules, Talen actually did play at college, yet will still be just 18 when nba season starts, and 19 when it finishes, in mean time Cam Reddish played one year at college but is already 20.

Suggesting i'm doing "fake news" and in same time failing at 1st grade math is pretty sad.

As for how team performed with Bamba, net rating says it all.

You blame Ross and Evan for team's poor performance, yet ignore that Bamba played all the way until end of January, where team lost 9 of 12 games, yet, in second he is gone, team wins 6 of next 7 games and finishes month with 8 -3 record. Coincidence?

How about team having 17-3 record with Birch playing <15min while in mean time around 13-20 record when Bamba was playing <15 min'

The Magic had their worst net rating this year with Bamba on the court at -15.2 points per 100 possessions. Orlando gave up 108.3 points per 100 possessions with Bamba on the floor.

When Khem Birch was on the floor, the Magic had a +2.8 net rating and a 102.0 defensive rating.

As for pinning blame on Evan and TRoss

The three-man lineup of Mohamed Bamba, Aaron Gordon and Evan Fournier played together just 122 minutes together at a -23.4 net rating.

A lot of those had to come while the Magic were experimenting with a twin tower lineup of Bamba and Vucevic together on the floor. That unit. . . did not work — -37.5 net rating in 36 minutes.

So he was terrible with every single Magic starter.

I just don't get why it's so "taboo" to say that player sucked during rookie year? How many rookies don't ? Pretty much only all time greatest come off gate and are transending, even Lebron missed playoffs in rookie year.

I apologize. You were totally correct. The bio I looked at for Tobias showed him as born in 1991 and he was born in '92.

Turns out it appears Bamba was held back a year in his schooling at some point (He was already 19 before his Freshman year of college) so maybe he is complete crap.

some people just graduate highschool/ or enter school a year later. Just like gordon was 19, iirc, as an nba rookie. Despite being a one and done

[GelbeWand09]

Personally i think Bamba won't be here in 12 months anyway. So i'm not so much invested in his play & stats, but i'm far from calling him a bust, because of his rookie season.
Raw big man always take longer to develop. I think it was clear after 10 min. of summerleaque, he won't be ready before year 3. The guy coudn't play 5 min. without heavy breathing. So i don't care for his stats. His stats are not important, as long as he got no NBA body. You need a NBA body for so many things as a big man. Like we don't know how good a rebounder he's gonna be, without the strentgh to box out constantly. Same goes for post ups or post defense. How is his transition defense, with better stamina. Same goes for his game awareness & concentration. Got a lot to do with stamina too.

2nd the way we used him, just didnt do him a favor too. Standing all offense on the 3 point line.
The troubling part is his body language & intensity, but like i said, its prolly the problem of his next team soon.

[Knightro]

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Here's Robbins training camp primer - https://theathletic.com/1208949/ ($)

Some various random notes and speculation from Josh...

-The Magic are banking pretty heavily on continuity carrying them early
-Robbins speculates Aminu will be the primary backup SF and PF
-Expect the Magic to continue to monitor/manage Augustin's minutes
-Bamba's conditioning was not where it needed to be last year
-Fultz will be slotted ahead of Carter-Williams if healthy
-Fournier shooting at his career 3PT levels will go a long way towards unlocking more from the Magic's offense
-The Fultz video that surfaced in August, the other two people on the court were members of the Magic's player development staff
-Robbins does NOT believe Gordon is finished developing despite it being Year 6.
-DaQuan Jeffries will almost certainly make Orlando's roster on an NBA deal if Okeke doesn't sign
-It is still possible that the Magic "stash" Okeke either with a G-League contract or by not signing him at all
-The Magic may opt to use Ross more often in pick-and-roll situations as a ball handler
-The offense will continue to rely heavily on Vucevic

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Some various random notes and speculation from Josh...

-The Magic are banking pretty heavily on continuity carrying them early
That much is apparent from their moves / lack thereof.
-Robbins speculates Aminu will be the primary backup SF and PF
Seems pretty obvious and straightforward.
-Expect the Magic to continue to monitor/manage Augustin's minutes
Has more to do with Fultz than DJ.
-Bamba's conditioning was not where it needed to be last year
Pretty apparent from last season.
-Fultz will be slotted ahead of Carter-Williams if healthy
I would like to hope this was always the case if he is healthy to play.
-Fournier shooting at his career 3PT levels will go a long way towards unlocking more from the Magic's offense
Fourniers lack of contribution capped last years squad. This seems obvious.
-The Fultz video that surfaced in August, the other two people on the court were members of the Magic's player development staff
Good to know everyone is doing the job they are paid to do.
-Robbins does NOT believe Gordon is finished developing despite it being Year 6.
Not really a bold assessment, but then again AG’s production has fluctuated yearly to varying degree.
-DaQuan Jeffries will almost certainly make Orlando's roster on an NBA deal if Okeke doesn't sign
Orlando needs offense that Jeffries provides. Doesn’t look like Okeke is signing after all this time.
-It is still possible that the Magic "stash" Okeke either with a G-League contract or by not signing him at all
Seems pretty obvious at this juncture.
-The Magic may opt to use Ross more often in pick-and-roll situations as a ball handler
Actually interesting info.
-The offense will continue to rely heavily on
Vucevic
Obviously. The Magic didn’t add a reliable option offensively this offseason. Vuc will continue to thrive as the only legitimate option that we continue to run through, overall effectiveness be damned.

[Knightro]

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To pick up Fultz's option 6.5 weeks before the deadline...

I hope that means they know he's healthy!

[Magic_Johnny12]

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To pick up Fultz's option 6.5 weeks before the deadline...

I hope that means they know he's healthy!

Our management isn't dumb by any means and has genuine tenure to them, this isn't a gamble in my eyes. They know for a fact that he will play.

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To pick up Fultz's option 6.5 weeks before the deadline...

I hope that means they know he's healthy!

He can show that he’s capable all he wants in practice. We will see if this pays off in actual games.