dc wrote:Metallikid wrote:I've always thought Diana Taurasi could play in the NBA.
That’s a very wishful thought. She couldn’t play men’s NCAA division II. If she did, she’d be the worst player in that division.
I bet she could.
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dc wrote:Metallikid wrote:I've always thought Diana Taurasi could play in the NBA.
That’s a very wishful thought. She couldn’t play men’s NCAA division II. If she did, she’d be the worst player in that division.
post wrote:the wnba as a whole shot 2.7 % higher from the foul line than the nba last season

post wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:post wrote:
i've seen her play. grayson allen weighs 10 pounds more and is not known for his strength so how much weaker can she be. not significantly weaker. she's not as slow as you probably imagine. she does some impressive crossovers with penetration. not kyrie irving level crossovers, but most nba guys can't do the stuff he does either
her release is not as fast as korver or curry, but i'm not claiming she could take their spots, so it doesn't have to be as fast
i suppose you meant erroneous, not erogenous. anyway, timothe luwawu cabarrot has played three full seasons now and was the second worst shooting guard in the nba last year by real plus minus and only better than allen by .20, a tiny amount. so now i'm comparing her to a bum who has played 171 games in 3 years. in 2014-15, mike miller, with zero potential in his 16th nba season, played 52 games and had a .09 lower real plus minus than allen as a rookie. miller averaged a whopping 2.1 ppg that year in 13.5 minutes per game. translation: there's some garbage getting minutes in the nba
Are you serious with this? Or are we just forgetting basic biology now? Valentina Shevchenko is only 10 pounds lighter than Henry Cejudo, shouldn't be a significant strength difference between those two either I guess. Also Grayson Allen cant get off the bench and that dude is a great athlete and fantastic shooter. He had the fastest lane agility, 3rd best standing vert and 6th best max vert (40.5") in the 2018 draft combine.
I hate threads like this because it seems like you either have to just ignore reality or you sound like an **** and a hater to these women. Elena Delle Donne from all accounts is an all time great female basketball player. That by itself is a fantastic achievement and something I know I will never be able to say about my career. But no she doesn't come close to being able to compete with men in basketball, its not even a discussion.
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.
lakerz12 wrote:Why even go here...no.
She would get destroyed at the NBA level.
Grayson Allen would average 40 ppg in the WNBA.
It's not a fair comparison. It's like comparing bicycles to motorcycles.
yellowknifer wrote:post wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Are you serious with this? Or are we just forgetting basic biology now? Valentina Shevchenko is only 10 pounds lighter than Henry Cejudo, shouldn't be a significant strength difference between those two either I guess. Also Grayson Allen cant get off the bench and that dude is a great athlete and fantastic shooter. He had the fastest lane agility, 3rd best standing vert and 6th best max vert (40.5") in the 2018 draft combine.
I hate threads like this because it seems like you either have to just ignore reality or you sound like an **** and a hater to these women. Elena Delle Donne from all accounts is an all time great female basketball player. That by itself is a fantastic achievement and something I know I will never be able to say about my career. But no she doesn't come close to being able to compete with men in basketball, its not even a discussion.
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
Men have significant strength advantage in every way lb for lb. It is very easy to measure as well.
There is a reason testosterone is considered performance enhancing.
HeartBreakKid wrote:and Pro Wrestlers weighs more than gorillas - I don't know why you think because they are comparable in weight they are comparable in strength. It's like you have never met a woman before?post wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Are you serious with this? Or are we just forgetting basic biology now? Valentina Shevchenko is only 10 pounds lighter than Henry Cejudo, shouldn't be a significant strength difference between those two either I guess. Also Grayson Allen cant get off the bench and that dude is a great athlete and fantastic shooter. He had the fastest lane agility, 3rd best standing vert and 6th best max vert (40.5") in the 2018 draft combine.
I hate threads like this because it seems like you either have to just ignore reality or you sound like an **** and a hater to these women. Elena Delle Donne from all accounts is an all time great female basketball player. That by itself is a fantastic achievement and something I know I will never be able to say about my career. But no she doesn't come close to being able to compete with men in basketball, its not even a discussion.
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
Duke4life831 wrote:post wrote:Duke4life831 wrote:
Are you serious with this? Or are we just forgetting basic biology now? Valentina Shevchenko is only 10 pounds lighter than Henry Cejudo, shouldn't be a significant strength difference between those two either I guess. Also Grayson Allen cant get off the bench and that dude is a great athlete and fantastic shooter. He had the fastest lane agility, 3rd best standing vert and 6th best max vert (40.5") in the 2018 draft combine.
I hate threads like this because it seems like you either have to just ignore reality or you sound like an **** and a hater to these women. Elena Delle Donne from all accounts is an all time great female basketball player. That by itself is a fantastic achievement and something I know I will never be able to say about my career. But no she doesn't come close to being able to compete with men in basketball, its not even a discussion.
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
No its not just a "he may be stronger", he is significantly stronger. Male's and Female's have drastically different body structures. Men have significantly more amounts of testosterone, there is a reason testosterone is used as a performance enhancing drug. To even try and say there is anything but a massive difference in strength between Grayson Allen and Elena Delle Donne is either you just lying to yourself or showing a lack of basic biology.
I never said Grayson was fantastic as a rookie. I also agree that Grayson can be out of the league in a couple years. Which also backs the point that there shouldn't even be a discussion of Delle Donne coming close to being able to play in the NBA. Grayson was a damn good shooter in college, he is 6'5 and a fantastic athlete and he could be out of the league in a couple years, that is just how damn good the NBA is. Again if Grayson played in the WNBA, he would be the GOAT and the gap between him and 2nd would be the biggest in any sport.
And again you cant compare stats straight up. Give Grayson a smaller ball and much slower and smaller defenders to shoot over, his shooting percentages would be much higher.
KrAzY3 wrote:post wrote:the wnba as a whole shot 2.7 % higher from the foul line than the nba last season
While I respect the attempt to normalize the statistic, it doesn't do it justice. We're talking about a smaller, lighter ball. One thing we used to do in practice was use an oversized ball, and I can assure you a larger ball is harder to get into the basket.
We're looking at multiple factors here, though each of which might seem insignificant but as a whole they are enormous. The ball is smaller and lighter, creating an artificial disparity between the NBA and WNBA. The line is closer, furthering this difference. And then of course you have the rather significant fact that she is not being defended by males. So she has an easier time getting her shots offas well.
I do not dispute that she is a great shooter. That isn't the issue. It's just not an apples to apples comparison. She is great at what she does, no doubt about that. There's just no reason to believe she could do anything she's doing in the NBA. Well, I guess she'd still be a really good free throw shooter but that's about it.
post wrote:yellowknifer wrote:post wrote:
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
Men have significant strength advantage in every way lb for lb. It is very easy to measure as well.
There is a reason testosterone is considered performance enhancing.HeartBreakKid wrote:and Pro Wrestlers weighs more than gorillas - I don't know why you think because they are comparable in weight they are comparable in strength. It's like you have never met a woman before?post wrote:
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredetteDuke4life831 wrote:post wrote:
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
No its not just a "he may be stronger", he is significantly stronger. Male's and Female's have drastically different body structures. Men have significantly more amounts of testosterone, there is a reason testosterone is used as a performance enhancing drug. To even try and say there is anything but a massive difference in strength between Grayson Allen and Elena Delle Donne is either you just lying to yourself or showing a lack of basic biology.
I never said Grayson was fantastic as a rookie. I also agree that Grayson can be out of the league in a couple years. Which also backs the point that there shouldn't even be a discussion of Delle Donne coming close to being able to play in the NBA. Grayson was a damn good shooter in college, he is 6'5 and a fantastic athlete and he could be out of the league in a couple years, that is just how damn good the NBA is. Again if Grayson played in the WNBA, he would be the GOAT and the gap between him and 2nd would be the biggest in any sport.
And again you cant compare stats straight up. Give Grayson a smaller ball and much slower and smaller defenders to shoot over, his shooting percentages would be much higher.KrAzY3 wrote:post wrote:the wnba as a whole shot 2.7 % higher from the foul line than the nba last season
While I respect the attempt to normalize the statistic, it doesn't do it justice. We're talking about a smaller, lighter ball. One thing we used to do in practice was use an oversized ball, and I can assure you a larger ball is harder to get into the basket.
We're looking at multiple factors here, though each of which might seem insignificant but as a whole they are enormous. The ball is smaller and lighter, creating an artificial disparity between the NBA and WNBA. The line is closer, furthering this difference. And then of course you have the rather significant fact that she is not being defended by males. So she has an easier time getting her shots offas well.
I do not dispute that she is a great shooter. That isn't the issue. It's just not an apples to apples comparison. She is great at what she does, no doubt about that. There's just no reason to believe she could do anything she's doing in the NBA. Well, I guess she'd still be a really good free throw shooter but that's about it.
1. the strength issue: i understand there are differences between men and women on average, but no one has shown a precise calculation of how much stronger grayson is and exactly how much that matters as to who's the better basketball player deserving an nba roster spot
former nba coach of the year doc rivers had this to say about a woman playing in the nba: "If a female did make it, it'll have to be someone who could shoot the hell out of the ball, because physically it would be tough. You just assume [breaking the barrier] has got to happen eventually," Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers said.
so an nba coach of the year admits a woman can overcome a physical deficit and possibly make it in the nba
2. the ball/shooting issue: some of the points that are being made in the posts i just quoted are just ignoring what i've already said about the smaller ball and shorter 3 line issue so i'm not going to repeat myself
the nba shot 1.5% higher from the field and 1% higher from 3 than the wnba. so the smaller ball is not making 2 point and 3 point field goal attempts go in more frequently. obviously delle donne plays against worse defenders than grayson but how much that would effect her non free throw shooting percentages in the nba is unclear. mark cuban or whoever has balls should give her a try out so we can see just how much better or worse she is than some of these bums
malachi richardson is a 6'6" shooting guard who has played 70 nba games over the last 3 years at 9 minutes per game and has an atrocious true shooting percentage of 47.8%. last year he had an 0.9 player efficiency rating and a minus 10.8 box plus minus. i have to laugh at how bad these guys are and how good delle donne is
grayson could be out of the league and delle donne might take his place. ask doc rivers what he thinks about taking an absolute bust in the nba vs. the wnba goat for a roster spot
post wrote:yellowknifer wrote:post wrote:
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
Men have significant strength advantage in every way lb for lb. It is very easy to measure as well.
There is a reason testosterone is considered performance enhancing.HeartBreakKid wrote:and Pro Wrestlers weighs more than gorillas - I don't know why you think because they are comparable in weight they are comparable in strength. It's like you have never met a woman before?post wrote:
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredetteDuke4life831 wrote:post wrote:
i had to google who Valentina Shevchenko and Henry Cejudo were and they are not even basketball players so not exactly good examples. i understand your point though, which is that grayson may be stronger, but how much stronger is not exactly clear. being stronger, faster, and jumping higher does not make you the better basketball player anyway.
grayson gets off the bench. i already said he played 38 games last year and his minutes were 10.9. there were 63 players in the nba who played at least 10 games with fewer minutes per game than grayson and 13 of them played less than half the minutes he played
grayson's 51.6 true shooting percentage as an nba rookie was far from fantastic
grayson could be out of the league in a couple years like anthony bennett or jimmer fredette
No its not just a "he may be stronger", he is significantly stronger. Male's and Female's have drastically different body structures. Men have significantly more amounts of testosterone, there is a reason testosterone is used as a performance enhancing drug. To even try and say there is anything but a massive difference in strength between Grayson Allen and Elena Delle Donne is either you just lying to yourself or showing a lack of basic biology.
I never said Grayson was fantastic as a rookie. I also agree that Grayson can be out of the league in a couple years. Which also backs the point that there shouldn't even be a discussion of Delle Donne coming close to being able to play in the NBA. Grayson was a damn good shooter in college, he is 6'5 and a fantastic athlete and he could be out of the league in a couple years, that is just how damn good the NBA is. Again if Grayson played in the WNBA, he would be the GOAT and the gap between him and 2nd would be the biggest in any sport.
And again you cant compare stats straight up. Give Grayson a smaller ball and much slower and smaller defenders to shoot over, his shooting percentages would be much higher.KrAzY3 wrote:post wrote:the wnba as a whole shot 2.7 % higher from the foul line than the nba last season
While I respect the attempt to normalize the statistic, it doesn't do it justice. We're talking about a smaller, lighter ball. One thing we used to do in practice was use an oversized ball, and I can assure you a larger ball is harder to get into the basket.
We're looking at multiple factors here, though each of which might seem insignificant but as a whole they are enormous. The ball is smaller and lighter, creating an artificial disparity between the NBA and WNBA. The line is closer, furthering this difference. And then of course you have the rather significant fact that she is not being defended by males. So she has an easier time getting her shots offas well.
I do not dispute that she is a great shooter. That isn't the issue. It's just not an apples to apples comparison. She is great at what she does, no doubt about that. There's just no reason to believe she could do anything she's doing in the NBA. Well, I guess she'd still be a really good free throw shooter but that's about it.
1. the strength issue: i understand there are differences between men and women on average, but no one has shown a precise calculation of how much stronger grayson is and exactly how much that matters as to who's the better basketball player deserving an nba roster spot
former nba coach of the year doc rivers had this to say about a woman playing in the nba: "If a female did make it, it'll have to be someone who could shoot the hell out of the ball, because physically it would be tough. You just assume [breaking the barrier] has got to happen eventually," Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers said.
so an nba coach of the year admits a woman can overcome a physical deficit and possibly make it in the nba
2. the ball/shooting issue: some of the points that are being made in the posts i just quoted are just ignoring what i've already said about the smaller ball and shorter 3 line issue so i'm not going to repeat myself
the nba shot 1.5% higher from the field and 1% higher from 3 than the wnba. so the smaller ball is not making 2 point and 3 point field goal attempts go in more frequently. obviously delle donne plays against worse defenders than grayson but how much that would effect her non free throw shooting percentages in the nba is unclear. mark cuban or whoever has balls should give her a try out so we can see just how much better or worse she is than some of these bums
malachi richardson is a 6'6" shooting guard who has played 70 nba games over the last 3 years at 9 minutes per game and has an atrocious true shooting percentage of 47.8%. last year he had an 0.9 player efficiency rating and a minus 10.8 box plus minus. i have to laugh at how bad these guys are and how good delle donne is
grayson could be out of the league and delle donne might take his place. ask doc rivers what he thinks about taking an absolute bust in the nba vs. the wnba goat for a roster spot
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.
post wrote:[
grayson could be out of the league and delle donne might take his place. ask doc rivers what he thinks about taking an absolute bust in the nba vs. the wnba goat for a roster spot

HeartBreakKid wrote:I understand the logic, there are 3 point shooters in the NBA who cannot play defense - but she really, really, would not be able to play defense in the NBA. She is too weak and slow.
Also, her shot might not translate depending on how fast her release is (I've never seen her play).
Comparing her to a rookie is erogenous because there are players in the NBA who are put in for potential. Elena wouldn't have any potential, thus, her being a bit better than a horrible rookie wouldn't be relevant (and she isn't better than said rookie player).
Mamba4Goat wrote:Let's cool some of these takes...I'm sure the best WNBA player could play in D1/D2 college ball....
That being said, I don't think so. Males are naturally athletically superior to females. Picking the best athletes and putting a great female athlete against them would only make it worse.
I do think that if there was a WNBA player that had a chance it would've been a Delle Donne/Griner hybrid.
First Step wrote:
A woman played in the NHL in the 90s