#26 - GOAT peaks project (2019)

[No-more-rings]

I’m seriously considering hopping on the Nash train here. Maybe not 1st over Kawhi, but the discussion here plus the stuff from the other thread kind of got me thinking i’m maybe underrating him. He was one of my favorite players from 05-2010, so it’s a little weird I haven’t typically had him higher.

[FrogBros4Life]

1.) 93 Barkley -- I thought about going 90 Barkley here, and if it weren't for missing so many games, I think 88 should get some recognition as well (23 points on only 13.8 FGA, 64% on 2 point FGs, 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1.5 blocks). Ultimately though, 93 Barkley was just a more complete player than any other version of himself. He had a better feel for the game, was more focused, was a better locker room leader, and was probably in the best playing shape of his life after competing in the 92 Olympics. Great all around stat line, and someone who could both create his own offense + offense for others, and take over in the 4th with the game on the line. Never a great defender, but always an active body. I don't think there is anyone left who had a better all around game than Sir Charles.

2.) 61 Elgin Baylor -- has anyone even voted for this guy yet? Possibly the greatest player to never win a title. His production this year speaks for itself. 35ppg, 20 rebounds, 5 assists on +2.9 rTS? Yes, please. Numbers are obviously inflated a bit due to pace, but still a phenomenal season. Backed up by a PER of 28.2 and ~15 win shares. Revolutionized the game for the wing position. Set a then NBA scoring record with 71 points in a game. His 62 season is actually more impressive as a physical feat when you consider he only played on the weekends while serving in the military, but the number of games missed is too much to overlook. Good defender in addition to his offensive contributions.

3.) There are a handful of guys I'm considering for this spot, each with their own set of flaws. Kawhi's relatively lackluster regular season numbers + amount of games missed last year make me hesitate to vote for him yet. That and I also think he'll still peak higher in the next year or so. Same with Giannis. Anthony Davis intrigues me for this vote too. Good mix of offense and defense, but somewhat limited in being able to create for himself. Impact stats probably make the best case for Cp3 at this point, but my eye test results are telling me he's a still a few spots away (that, and I don't agree with the consensus that his two best years are 08 and 15 -- I think 09 and 16 were each better, respectively). Nash is worth slotting here, or in the very near future, and I may change my vote to him upon further examination....but for now....I think I have to go with 19 Harden. I feel like if I'm going with an "offense only" player, it's one of these two. And as good as Nash was with the ball in his hands doing everything -- shooting, dribbling, passing, driving -- Harden on offense last year was a force of nature. He literally carried his team for the majority of the regular season in ways few players have. The gimmick defense Utah threw at him in the playoffs should tell you all you need to know about how hard it is to stop him. Despite his annual post season decline, he actually had the best statistical playoffs of his career last season too. There were moments during last year's regular season where he looked absolutely unguardable (similar to regular season Steph in 16). And his per 100 possession stats for last year's regular season are on the cusp of a 50 point triple double (48 points, 10 assists and 9 rebounds on 62% TS ). McAdoo, Petitt and Karl Malone are also starting to enter the picture for me at this stage as well.

[Sublime187]

Siakim achieved similar results. Me thinks that had less to do with kawhi and more to do with the big(or often both bigs) put in the paint to save the perimiter guards from being turned into a turnstiles. Because, you know, defense 101: Interior d>>>>>>>>perimiter d in importance.


Coinicdentally kawhi returned to doing nothing of note defensively when not given two-3 help defenders on each possesion in the three other series he partook in.

Giannis was playing very good in the first two games but once Leonard switched on him is when the consistent struggle began.

Watch on YouTube

Freedawkins had an interesting stat in the video yesterday at 2:50 "during regular season kawhi was in the 96th percentile in defending isolation plays. Players shot 30% from the floor and scored 0.55 points per possession when attacking kawhi in an isolation play. He turns everyone he's guarding into a Willie collie stein or tristin Thompson level iso scorer" even when Kawhi was on load management during regular season, he was still a lockdown 1 on 1 defender. Playoff Kawhi? Giannis is scared **** of him!

Stats can be good at times to use, but sometimes you just need to use your eyes. The stats say that Kawhi's defense was great against Giannis. But I don't need stats to tell me that. Anybody with two working eyeballs can tell you what happened. Giannis had steamrolled through the entire league. Then Kawhi started guarding him in game 3 and he completely and totally shut him the F down. I watched it on TV, I was there and I'm pretty sure anybody else who was there saw the same thing.

HBK, is that you? Lol

[E-Balla]

1.) 93 Barkley -- I thought about going 90 Barkley here, and if it weren't for missing so many games, I think 88 should get some recognition as well (23 points on only 13.8 FGA, 64% on 2 point FGs, 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 1.5 blocks). Ultimately though, 93 Barkley was just a more complete player than any other version of himself. He had a better feel for the game, was more focused, was a better locker room leader, and was probably in the best playing shape of his life after competing in the 92 Olympics. Great all around stat line, and someone who could both create his own offense + offense for others, and take over in the 4th with the game on the line. Never a great defender, but always an active body. I don't think there is anyone left who had a better all around game than Sir Charles.

2.) 61 Elgin Baylor -- has anyone even voted for this guy yet? Possibly the greatest player to never win a title. His production this year speaks for itself. 35ppg, 20 rebounds, 5 assists on +2.9 rTS? Yes, please. Numbers are obviously inflated a bit due to pace, but still a phenomenal season. Backed up by a PER of 28.2 and ~15 win shares. Revolutionized the game for the wing position. Set a then NBA scoring record with 71 points in a game. His 62 season is actually more impressive as a physical feat when you consider he only played on the weekends while serving in the military, but the number of games missed is too much to overlook. Good defender in addition to his offensive contributions.

3.) There are a handful of guys I'm considering for this spot, each with their own set of flaws. Kawhi's relatively lackluster regular season numbers + amount of games missed last year make me hesitate to vote for him yet. That and I also think he'll still peak higher in the next year or so. Same with Giannis. Anthony Davis intrigues me for this vote too. Good mix of offense and defense, but somewhat limited in being able to create for himself. Impact stats probably make the best case for Cp3 at this point, but my eye test results are telling me he's a still a few spots away (that, and I don't agree with the consensus that his two best years are 08 and 15 -- I think 09 and 16 were each better, respectively). Nash is worth slotting here, or in the very near future, and I may change my vote to him upon further examination....but for now....I think I have to go with 19 Harden. I feel like if I'm going with an "offense only" player, it's one of these two. And as good as Nash was with the ball in his hands doing everything -- shooting, dribbling, passing, driving -- Harden on offense last year was a force of nature. He literally carried his team for the majority of the regular season in ways few players have. The gimmick defense Utah threw at him in the playoffs should tell you all you need to know about how hard it is to stop him. Despite his annual post season decline, he actually had the best statistical playoffs of his career last season too. There were moments during last year's regular season where he looked absolutely unguardable (similar to regular season Steph in 16). And his per 100 possession stats for last year's regular season are on the cusp of a 50 point triple double (48 points, 10 assists and 9 rebounds on 62% TS ). McAdoo, Petitt and Karl Malone are also starting to enter the picture for me at this stage as well.

Wow I completely forgot about Baylor.

Great mention, he should actually be coming up soon. I think he's worse than Pettit though (he has the loss in 61 to show that). Why 63 over 61? He led the postseason in scoring both years, outplayed Pettit unlike in 61 to beat the Hawks instead of losing to them like in 61 (still lost to Boston in the Finals though), and had his best MVP finish being the runner up. It's also the best the Lakers were during his prime (next time they had a team as good as in 63 was in 68 and before 63 it was in 54 with Mikan).

And can I interest you in McAdoo or Barry for your 3rd vote?

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Giannis was playing very good in the first two games but once Leonard switched on him is when the consistent struggle began.

Watch on YouTube

Freedawkins had an interesting stat in the video yesterday at 2:50 "during regular season kawhi was in the 96th percentile in defending isolation plays. Players shot 30% from the floor and scored 0.55 points per possession when attacking kawhi in an isolation play. He turns everyone he's guarding into a Willie collie stein or tristin Thompson level iso scorer" even when Kawhi was on load management during regular season, he was still a lockdown 1 on 1 defender. Playoff Kawhi? Giannis is scared **** of him!

Stats can be good at times to use, but sometimes you just need to use your eyes. The stats say that Kawhi's defense was great against Giannis. But I don't need stats to tell me that. Anybody with two working eyeballs can tell you what happened. Giannis had steamrolled through the entire league. Then Kawhi started guarding him in game 3 and he completely and totally shut him the F down. I watched it on TV, I was there and I'm pretty sure anybody else who was there saw the same thing.

HBK, is that you? Lol

2nd time I've been wrongfully accused, anybody who praises Leonard on another account is not me. I am on one account only. Is freedawkins me as well? He praised Leonard's dominating 1 on 1 defense in 2019, you just have your head too far up RAPM crap and are too stubborn to believe it. Can't say I didn't try to teach you about Leonard, you just disagree and that's fine. Maybe me, freedawkins, charged_up actually watched Leonard play unlike majority of the people who voted on this list!

[Sublime187]

Spoiler:

Stats can be good at times to use, but sometimes you just need to use your eyes. The stats say that Kawhi's defense was great against Giannis. But I don't need stats to tell me that. Anybody with two working eyeballs can tell you what happened. Giannis had steamrolled through the entire league. Then Kawhi started guarding him in game 3 and he completely and totally shut him the F down. I watched it on TV, I was there and I'm pretty sure anybody else who was there saw the same thing.

HBK, is that you? Lol

2nd time I've been wrongfully accused, anybody who praises Leonard on another account is not me. I am on one account only. Is freedawkins me as well? He praised Leonard's dominating 1 on 1 defense in 2019, you just have your head too far up RAPM crap and are too stubborn to believe it. Can't say I didn't try to teach you about Leonard, you just disagree and that's fine. Maybe me, freedawkins, charged_up actually watched Leonard play unlike majority of the people who voted on this list!

Hmm..it is quite suspicious that you remember their names so vividly and with the correct spelling including underscores...lol

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Spoiler:

HBK, is that you? Lol

2nd time I've been wrongfully accused, anybody who praises Leonard on another account is not me. I am on one account only. Is freedawkins me as well? He praised Leonard's dominating 1 on 1 defense in 2019, you just have your head too far up RAPM crap and are too stubborn to believe it. Can't say I didn't try to teach you about Leonard, you just disagree and that's fine. Maybe me, freedawkins, charged_up actually watched Leonard play unlike majority of the people who voted on this list!

Hmm..it is quite suspicious that you remember their names so vividly and with the correct spelling including underscores...lol

I quoted his post and his name was right in front of me, I dont have dyslexia man. I also and1 his post. What's wrong with remembering a fellow members username? Show some respect.

[No-more-rings]

Spoiler:

2nd time I've been wrongfully accused, anybody who praises Leonard on another account is not me. I am on one account only. Is freedawkins me as well? He praised Leonard's dominating 1 on 1 defense in 2019, you just have your head too far up RAPM crap and are too stubborn to believe it. Can't say I didn't try to teach you about Leonard, you just disagree and that's fine. Maybe me, freedawkins, charged_up actually watched Leonard play unlike majority of the people who voted on this list!

Hmm..it is quite suspicious that you remember their names so vividly and with the correct spelling including underscores...lol

I quoted his post and his name was right in front of me, I dont have dyslexia man. I also and1 his post. What's wrong with remembering a fellow members username? Show some respect.

It's suspicious because these accounts' first posts are always about Leonard.

[FrogBros4Life]

Why 63 over 61?

I voted 61 Baylor. Did you mean to ask why 61 over 63? I think his numbers were better all around in 61, though I won't disagree that Pettit was arguably better peak for peak. I wouldn't have a problem with anyone who wanted to vote in Pettit before Baylor, but I think they are both due to come off the board in the next few rounds.

And can I interest you in McAdoo or Barry for your 3rd vote?

Like you forgetting about Baylor, I forgot about Barry. I know you've been making the case for him here recently, he just slipped my mind when I was typing out my post. I think he's one of the more underrated guys on this board, and as the best player on a championship team, he's got my attention for the next few rounds as well. I can be persuaded to slot him or McAdoo (or Nash) in at my #3. I'm undecided as to who I think is most deserving at the moment, but went with Harden because I didn't want to submit an incomplete ballot and my gut said his season last year was the most impressive. But, I can certainly see arguments for those other guys too. I'd have to give it some thought, but I'm open to revising my third pick.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Spoiler:

Hmm..it is quite suspicious that you remember their names so vividly and with the correct spelling including underscores...lol

I quoted his post and his name was right in front of me, I dont have dyslexia man. I also and1 his post. What's wrong with remembering a fellow members username? Show some respect.

It's suspicious because these accounts' first posts are always about Leonard.

Creating an account and posting about the best player in the NBA is not suspicious. I'm sure it happened for every player that was the best in the league. Who you think you're taking about here? A thread being created about Juwan Howard? Its the best player in the league, of course new members want to discuss him.

[freethedevil]

Giannis played 300 more minutes in the regular season than Kawhi. If that crippled him for the playoffs, then maybe he should have played less rather than gunning for the top seed.

He played like a mvp. Kawhi played like a fringe all star. One's team specifically saved him for the postseason, the other's didn't. Not sure how you're putting that decision on Giannis when that decision was made by his team. You can spin this however you want, the ability to play like **** during the rs to improve your po performance is something anyone can replicate and hence any sort of boost kawhi's getting from the liberty to play like **** should be adjusted for. Assuming we're interested in the abilities of the individual players rather than the abilities of their respective teams,

If you sincerely believe that three hundred minutes prevented Giannis from achieving his full postseason potential, that is your prerogative.

How are you quoting me and then not addressing the thing i already noted you didn't address? I've bolded it now...

Note, the key here isn't the "300 miniuites", it's the thing any superstar would be able to do on kawhi's team, play like **** to amplify their po performance. Hence giving kawhi extra credit for a boosted po is silly.

[freethedevil]

Giannis is borderline. He's definitely deserving of a mention with the others I named so thanks for the reminder.

Also contender and champion ain't the same. Giannis has a great supporting cast, great results, but his game leaves me iffy on him compared to some of the others. He's in my top 40 easily though.

His team was extremely close to winning, most of the players you listed were ringless.

Do you think his cast was abnormally strong?

Yeah. People around here should know I've been high on Khris Middleton for years, Bledsoe for years, Brook Lopez for years, high on never talked about 50/40/90 player Brogdon even in college, and I was ranting and raving about getting Bud as the Knicks coach.

His supporting cast is great. Better than the supporting caste most of those guys had at their peak outside of Kawhi who's team was WAY better than Milwaukee (the 16 Spurs are a top 5 team to not win a ring this millennium).

The team had a +3.1 net rating with Giannis on the bench (+5.4 in the playoffs) and had a +11.8 net rating in the regular season with Khris on the floor without Giannis in 11.7 mpg (in the playoffs they had a +7.3 net rating in 7 mpg with Middleton and without Giannis). They've shown they can function at a high level without him and I see them as similar to Bud's Hawks especially after adding Mirotic. They're a solid 50 win, 2nd round team without Giannis. They're stronger than Indy without Dipo, but maybe not Boston.

Interesting,

I do realize he has offensive limiations, but then again, I don't see anyone from your list anchoring +9 defenses, while running and being the primary scoring option on an offense.

At this stage I think doing everything for a team that nearly won a championship is more than a borderline case.

The Bucks were a -5 defense so yeah no one left anchored a -9 defense.[/quote]
In the postseason they were -9, roughly as good as the raptor's

[liamliam1234]

Been looking through the prior project, in part to figure out why Davis and Harden are likely to have a worse ranking despite putting up better seasons in the interim, and to figure out how Bob McAdoo went from finishing at the fortieth spot, behind Baylor and Gilmore and Lanier and Reed, to suddenly jumping up what is likely to be more than ten spots. Rick Barry was completely excluded, which is ludicrous, but it does speak to a massive difference in era assessment, and I am also trying to see if there was any specific reason he did not make the cut.

But anyway, I think this is a pertinent point from those prior threads worth a re-quote now that Nash is on a few people’s borders:

There is actually no stat supporting the widespread myths that Nash regularly gets burnt by opponent PGs because of his weak and slow defense.

Team opponent PG efficiency relative to league average
2005: -0.7
2006: -1.0
2007: -1.7
2008: +0.7
2009: +0.7
2010: -0.5
2011: -0.2
2012: +0.3
Source: hoopsstats.com

Individual opponent PER relative to league average
2005: ? (can't find data)
2006: +0.3
2007: +1.2
2008: +2.5
2009: +2.2
2010: +0.7
2011: -0.7
2012: -0.7
Source: 82games.com

Defensive RAPM numbers from J.E.'s most recent data (positive is better):
2005: -1.22
2006: -0.56
2007: -0.12
2008: -0.05
2009: -0.48
2010: -0.42
2011: +0.43
2012: +0.43
Source: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/teutg7zvxudqnlw/AAAUkNkDUG0KWeewPZbnwS2ja?dl=0

Nash's defense is a little below average but not exactly awful. And the fact that he is often among league leaders in offensive fouls drawn suggests that he at least puts in the effort to play defense.

Offensive fouls drawn
2006: 38 (19th)
2007: 62 (6th)
2008: 32 (26th)
2009: 53 (1st)
2010: 37 (14th)
Source: nbaminer.com

IMO, Nash's defensive deficiencies are largely overblown. People harping about his defense while ignoring his GOAT-level offensive impact is missing the bigger picture as Nash is still a massive impact player despite his defense (Suns 14.2 SRS dropoff in 16 games without Nash from 05~07 is the largest margin in ElGee's WOWY data).

[liamliam1234]

He played like a mvp. Kawhi played like a fringe all star. One's team specifically saved him for the postseason, the other's didn't. Not sure how you're putting that decision on Giannis when that decision was made by his team. You can spin this however you want, the ability to play like **** during the rs to improve your po performance is something anyone can replicate and hence any sort of boost kawhi's getting from the liberty to play like **** should be adjusted for. Assuming we're interested in the abilities of the individual players rather than the abilities of their respective teams,

If you sincerely believe that three hundred minutes prevented Giannis from achieving his full postseason potential, that is your prerogative.

How are you quoting me and then not addressing the thing i already noted you didn't address? I've bolded it now...

Note, the key here isn't the "300 miniuites", it's the thing any superstar would be able to do on kawhi's team, play like **** to amplify their po performance. Hence giving kawhi extra credit for a boosted po is silly.

Lol, what? You do not play better in the postseason by playing worse in the regular season. Or do you mean by comparison? You think anyone would view Kawhi’s postseason as worse if he played better in the regular season? What nonsense is that? Multiple posters here are saying his regular season is still a dealbreaker for them at this time, and you want to argue he benefitted from “amplification”!? Come on. No one would vote him higher if he had been even less serious in the regular season. I personally do not see it as a point against him, but I am not claiming the season would have been better if he had been, uh, worse.

Neither possibility is a remotely logical argument. Truly one of your most baffling criticisms.

[E-Balla]

Why 63 over 61?

I voted 61 Baylor. Did you mean to ask why 61 over 63? I think his numbers were better all around in 61, though I won't disagree that Pettit was arguably better peak for peak. I wouldn't have a problem with anyone who wanted to vote in Pettit before Baylor, but I think they are both due to come off the board in the next few rounds.

Yes thanks for the catch. In 63 he had his best MVP finish, the Lakers were better than any other year prior to West becoming arguably the best player on the planet, and his numbers were only slightly worse.

In 61 he averaged 34.8/19.8/5.1 on 49.8 TS% (+2.9 rTS%) with 3.8 fpg in 73 games (3133 minutes). The 61 Lakers went 36-43 (West was a rookie but not the greatest player, just a regular All Star), had a -0.11 SRS, a -1.3 ORTG (good for 7th out of 8 teams), and lost in the Division Finals to the 51 win Hawks led by Pettit, Hagan, Lovellette for the first 4.5 games of the series, and rookie Lenny Wilkens.

In 63 he averaged 34.0/14.3/4.8 on 51.9 TS% (+2.7 rTS%) with 2.8 fpg in 80 games (3370 minutes). The 63 Lakers went 53-27 (despite only having a now superstar West for 55 games), had a +2.67 SRS, a +1.5 offense (good for 4th out of 9 teams), and lost in the Finals beating the 48 win Hawks led by Pettit, Hagan, rookie Zelmo Beaty, and Lenny Wilkens (who still wasn't a star player). They then lost in the Finals.

61 is his best postseason easily, but his most successful season was 63 and I think it's still a great year in the postseason. He also got a shot against the Celtics almost in peak form (they had a -8.5 defense) and averaged 31.6 ppg on 48.5 TS%.

I can see the argument for 61, I just think West becoming a star doesn't explain the gap in those teams at all. Even in games without West they were better than the 61 Lakers.

Like you forgetting about Baylor, I forgot about Barry. I know you've been making the case for him here recently, he just slipped my mind when I was typing out my post. I think he's one of the more underrated guys on this board, and as the best player on a championship team, he's got my attention for the next few rounds as well. I can be persuaded to slot him or McAdoo (or Nash) in at my #3. I'm undecided as to who I think is most deserving at the moment, but went with Harden because I didn't want to submit an incomplete ballot and my gut said his season last year was the most impressive. But, I can certainly see arguments for those other guys too. I'd have to give it some thought, but I'm open to revising my third pick.

As far as Harden and Barry go do you think Harden could have a performance like Barry's in the 75 playoffs? Would you rather have Harden against Golden State this last year or Barry (given Barry got time to get adjusted to the modern game)?

Remember how efficient he was with ABA spacing in 71 and 72 with his +3 rTS% vs +1 rTS% in the NBA without a line, remember he's a career 39.4% shooter from deep in the playoffs on 109 attempts in 4 seasons including one off the bench, and remember he's been to the Finals 3 times - once in the ABA - and the CF two other times. I just don't think Harden's ever played as well as Barry in the 75 Finals. Makes it an easy choice for me when I can see one player accomplishing something and I can't imagine the other player accomplishing the same.

[No-more-rings]

At some point we need to just accept that Kawhi is a beast playoff performer who no team has been able to stop since 2017. And the reason is his skillset combined with his freakish strength and size. It’s not because he rested in the regular season.

[freethedevil]

If you sincerely believe that three hundred minutes prevented Giannis from achieving his full postseason potential, that is your prerogative.

How are you quoting me and then not addressing the thing i already noted you didn't address? I've bolded it now...

Note, the key here isn't the "300 miniuites", it's the thing any superstar would be able to do on kawhi's team, play like **** to amplify their po performance. Hence giving kawhi extra credit for a boosted po is silly.

Lol, what? You do not play better in the postseason by playing worse in the regular season.

Don't tell me you don't understand what coasting is. What, do you think Lebron's magically kept up his postseason performances while his rs performance slipped off a cliff? Performing at a high level takes effort, kawhi has saved up all the effort required to be a superstar in the rs specifcally for the po's. Playing at a low level takes less effort and is indeed something anyone who plays at a high level can do. Kawhi, chronic quad and all, specifically has played like **** during the rs to inflate his po performance.

[liamliam1234]

I also have no qualms with Lebron doing that and am glad he does. Understanding what you need to do to maximise your performance when it matters most is not a negative. Kawhi was free to coast? Yeah, so was Giannis. So was basically every player to ever play on a high seeded team. If wasting too much effort on the regular season is the reason they could not perform as well as Kawhi, they and their team’s management owe it to themselves and to their fans to follow his example. Christ, we saw the Warriors figure that out after 2016. Pushing for 73 wins got them nothing, so they immensely improve their team and somehow never approach that win percentage again.

[freethedevil]

At some point we need to just accept that Kawhi is a beast playoff performer who no team has been able to stop since 2017.

Was literally stopped by the 11th ranked postseason defense in the finals.

Kawhi's had chronic quad issues since 2017. If he didn't benefit from rest during the po's then he wouldn't have rested. We need to stop ignoring obvious context because it clashes with whatever silly narratives we're looking to perpetuate. And I'm happy he is a beas playoff performer. SO was giannis, harden, curry, and jokic. The difference is the latter bunch can reach that level without the luxury of a team that allows you to play like ****. Kawhi cannot and hence his peak should be discounted accordingly.

[No-more-rings]

At some point we need to just accept that Kawhi is a beast playoff performer who no team has been able to stop since 2017.

Was literally stopped by the 11th ranked postseason defense in the finals.

Kawhi's had chronic quad issues since 2017. If he didn't benefit from rest during the po's then he wouldn't have rested. We need to stop ignoring obvious context because it clashes with whatever silly narratives we're looking to perpetuate. And I'm happy he is a beas playoff performer. SO was giannis, harden, curry, and jokic. The difference is the latter bunch can reach that level without the luxury of a team that allows you to play like ****. Kawhi cannot and hence his peak should be discounted accordingly.

29/10/4 on 60+ ts% is not being stopped, like are you kidding me with that?

And i just think you are exaggerating the effect is all, and if “anyone” can play like he did just by resting why don’t they?