Knicks camp/preseason thread - Link in OP

HarthorneWingo · Post #21 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:26 am

DaT WaVeY RiCaN wrote:Why you guys already ready to give up on Fiz & Perry. Jeez let the season start already. Lol

No. No, no, no, no.

Spoiler:

Jalen Bluntson · Post #22 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:43 am

TheGreenArrow wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:So you guys are telling if we have the same season as last year with no development fiz and management shouldnt be held accountable??

C'mon man, if that happens everybody needs to go starting with mills.

The honeymoon phase is over for perry/mills.

Do you really expect us to be a 17 win team? Rebuilds take time. You can't keep changing GMs every 2 years.

Mill's has been here for a decade plus. We've never had a winning season since he's been.

The people he put in place need to start showing results. Im not talking about 50 wins plus and a playoff run. I'm talking about development of our core young guys and an identity being formed.

If we see none of that this year heads need to roll.

We had a 54 win season while Mills was here. Whatever. PERRY just began this rebuild. He has had 2 drafts so far. He has done more than enough already to warrant patience. Fizdale...that's a different story. He does have to prove he's a capable HC sooner than later. Still...he's not really on the hot seat...unless he's really bad. That is TBD.

You can't keep rolling over GMs and HCs and expect anything to work out. We've been doing that for 18 years! This requires patience. Thinking this roster is the end of the road for anyone is just silly. I'm sure we will be better than last year but...even that remains to be seen. Then we can talk about who may need to go.

G_K_F · Post #23 » by **G_K_F** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:16 am

Are We Ther Yet wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Do you really expect us to be a 17 win team? Rebuilds take time. You can't keep changing GMs every 2 years.

Mill's has been here for a decade plus. We've never had a winning season since he's been.

The people he put in place need to start showing results. Im not talking about 50 wins plus and a playoff run. I'm talking about development of our core young guys and an identity being formed.

If we see none of that this year heads need to roll.

We had a 54 win season while Mills was here. Whatever. PERRY just began this rebuild. He has had 2 drafts so far. He has done more than enough already to warrant patience. Fizdale...that's a different story. He does have to prove he's a capable HC sooner than later. Still...he's not really on the hot seat...unless he's really bad. That is TBD.

You can't keep rolling over GMs and HCs and expect anything to work out. We've been doing that for 18 years! This requires patience. Thinking this roster is the end of the road for anyone is just silly. I'm sure we will be better than last year but...even that remains to be seen. Then we can talk about who may need to go.

Mills had exactly zero to do with the 54 win team since he wasn't with the team at the time. He came back in 2013 after being gone from 2009.

In fact, when Mills returned in 2013 he made exactly one move I can remember - signing Cole Aldrich. He literally did nothing else until Phil was hired and he was 'demoted' to GM.

thebuzzardman · Post #24 » by **thebuzzardman** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:20 am

Leggoooooo!

G_K_F · Post #25 » by **G_K_F** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:22 am

Realistically speaking this year is another throw away.

You give Perry another draft.

However, in 2020-21, if everything remains about the same and our picks aren't looking too good then, yes, we should move in a different direction. 3 drafts and 4 full seasons are enough to judge a President, GM and coach.

Jesus Juice · Post #26 » by **Jesus Juice** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:17 am

If I had to take a guess Fiz gets another pass this year, eventually having a Mark Jackson type tenure with us, then a new coach when the talent is ready.

Post #27 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:29 am

TheScout31 wrote:Dunno where to put this / not sure if this deserved its own thread, so here:

Read on Twitter

Well, the lack of Mudiay is obviously a step in the right direction and Knox may not start but (likely) starting a rookie won't help. Payton, or obviously Frank, would improve that statistic. The latter is not likely.

I'm hoping RJ at least looks like he's sentient about where to go.

iLLmatic860 · Post #28 » by **iLLmatic860** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:32 am

Where can I watch media day at?

Im in PA dont have msg out here

Gravy · Post #29 » by **Gravy** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:16 am

Media day preview
Perry: 'This was the master plan all along'
Mills: 'I'm in negotiations with Tim Hardaway Jr'
Fizdale: 'We're going to get you right Kadeem!'

Besart19 · Post #30 » by **Besart19** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:53 am

After December 15... Payton, Ellington, Mavs 1st and two seconds for Beal

Smith / Frank / Allen
Beal / Trier / Dotson
Barret / Knox / Bullock
Randle / Morris / Iggy
Mitch / Portis / Gibson

Jalen Bluntson · Post #31 » by **Jalen Bluntson** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:03 am

Today we will have player and FO/HC quotes to discuss!!! Then we'll have grainy camp videos to disect!! Then it's game time bytches!!! I've been enjoying the last 2 seasons. Not as much as I would have liked with the curious lineup and rotation decisions made by 2 different HCs. Losing KP still bothers me but...whatever. It's time to see what we do have. It all starts later today!! Let the board come back to life!!! Let's go Knicks!

Jump Shot · Post #32 » by **Jump Shot** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:13 am

If the Knicks don't win 40+ games this season, I'll eat a shoe.

Knicksfan1992 · Post #33 » by **Knicksfan1992** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:55 am

GONYK wrote:Pills and Fiz are a package deal, IMO

Yeah i lean that way but i could see a scenario where if the Knicks win sub 25 games and it's not due to injury that Perry tries to buy himself some more time by firing Fiz and essentially scapegoating him. But yeah still think it's likely that Perry and Fiz are a package deal and that 2 years is too quick to have the hook on the whole thing especially with how young the roster is outside of a few vets.

melo4three · Post #34 » by **melo4three** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:34 am

NYKHardKnock wrote:Woaaah baby I’m so excited to win 25 games this year!

closer to 50 than 25

G_K_F · Post #35 » by **G_K_F** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:00 am

melo4three wrote:
NYKHardKnock wrote:Woaaah baby I’m so excited to win 25 games this year!

closer to 50 than 25

We'll win over 50 if we sign Melo.

GEOLINK · Post #36 » by **GEOLINK** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:21 am

Just make the f*cking playoffs this year.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #37 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:52 am

Expect defiance.
They’ll make it clear they didn’t back door into this roster but likely concede they had other plans.
But I expect Fiz to sell this all masterfully.

Jose7 · Post #38 » by **Jose7** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:22 am

GEOLINK wrote:Just make the f*cking playoffs this year.

Not happening geo. Bottom 5 in defense and offense. No team identity. Faux accountability. Snake oil fiZ got me hot. I was shocked to what he really was last year because I was happy we got him.

aq_ua · Post #39 » by **aq_ua** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:54 am

Capn'O wrote:
TheScout31 wrote:Dunno where to put this / not sure if this deserved its own thread, so here:

Read on Twitter

Well, the lack of Mudiay is obviously a step in the right direction and Knox may not start but (likely) starting a rookie won't help. Payton, or obviously Frank, would improve that statistic. The latter is not likely.

I'm hoping RJ at least looks like he's sentient about where to go.

Defensive awareness is also not Randle's strength, but Payton was pretty good about being vocal on defense and putting people in the right position last year. That might be a reason why Payton gets the nod to start over Smith.

Fat Kat · Post #40 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:13 am

aq_ua wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
TheScout31 wrote:Dunno where to put this / not sure if this deserved its own thread, so here:

Read on Twitter

Well, the lack of Mudiay is obviously a step in the right direction and Knox may not start but (likely) starting a rookie won't help. Payton, or obviously Frank, would improve that statistic. The latter is not likely.

I'm hoping RJ at least looks like he's sentient about where to go.

Defensive awareness is also not Randle's strength, but Payton was pretty good about being vocal on defense and putting people in the right position last year. That might be a reason why Payton gets the nod to start over Smith.

Payton is the worst defensive PG on the team. He’s probably carried this misplaced reputation as a defender, because he’s offensively inept. If that’s what folks are expecting, they’re in for a surprise.

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2018/02/04/deconstructing-elfrid-paytons-disastrous-defense/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2019/08/12/knicks-off-season-spotlight-elfrid-payton/