Denzel Valentine injury update thread

samwana · Post #61 » by **samwana** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:57 am

Bulls should waive Valentine.

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sco · Post #62 » by **sco** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:20 pm

samwana wrote:Bulls should waive Valentine.

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I imagine they have a plan for him. I guess it comes down to whether they think he'll play at all this season, in which case they could get a medical exemption, short of that, they can buy him out. But Val's not going to take a discount, so then what happens because I think the Bulls are up against the cap?

TheFinishSniper · Post #63 » by **TheFinishSniper** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:00 pm

Picking option on Valentine will kill us capspace wise. What a waste of money.

FriedRise · Post #64 » by **FriedRise** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:49 pm

What happened to Valentine? I thought the original estimate was 4-6 months. Then it became a full season. And now possibly even longer?

PaKii94 · Post #65 » by **PaKii94** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:30 pm

Well this clears up how Dunn will get minutes and how minutes between val/hutch will be balanced...

From before:

PaKii94 wrote:Competitive NBA teams usually play 7-8 members when everyone is healthy with the rest getting spot minutes/injury minutes. Here is what we know:

- Sato wants to play primarily PG (Can play other spots but it was an irk in washington for him)
- Young (like OPJ) in my mind is a big wing so he can play both 3/4. When OPJ and him are on the floor they are interchangeable
- We want at least 4 shooters on the floor at all times
- If Dunn is here, he will probably get burn more than Archi/Shaq. While Archi/Shaq are nice, they are still 3rd string level players. Hopefully Dunn buys into a bench role... he could be effective in it.
- I expect good things from Hutch & decent things from Val (if he's healthy) but they are extra players. We don't theoretically need them to provide more than 10 mins (barring injury).

This is the breakdown I envision:

Starters: Sato [30] - Lavine [34] - OPJ [34] - Lauri [28] - WCJ[34]

Backup: Dunn[14] - White[14] - Young[10] - Young[20] - Lauri[6]

Spot Minutes: Val or Hutch [8] | Gafford or Kornet [8]

Bench Warmers: Archi - Shaq - Mokoka - felicio

Totals:
Lavine/OPJ/Lauri/WCJ - 34
Sato/Young - 30
Dunn/White - 14
Val/Hutch/Gafford/Kornet - 8

This kind of distribution gives some flexibility:
- If white is looking good, Sato/Dunn's minutes can be cut.
- If White is playing poorly or Dunn is causing trouble, Val/Hutch can eat some of those minutes.
- Hutch can also encroach on OPJ & Young.
- If Gafford/Kornet are viable, they can eat Lauri's minutes and encroach on Young.

For a minimum playoff rotation of 7 players, We already have Lavine/OPJ/Lauri/WCJ/Sato/Young. We just need one of the rest of the guards to step up and we will be golden.

Now:

Starters: Sato [25] - Lavine [34] - OPJ [30] - Lauri [28] - WCJ[34]

Backup: Dunn[15] - White[20] - Young[10] - Young[20] - Lauri[6]

Spot Minutes: Hutch [10] | Gafford or Kornet [8]

Bench Warmers: Archi - Shaq - Valentine - Mokoka - felicio

Totals:
Lavine/Lauri/WCJ - 34
OPJ/Young - 30
Sato - 25
White - 20
Dunn - 15
Hutch - 10
Gafford or Kornet - 8

drosestruts · Post #66 » by **drosestruts** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:37 pm

Dang - i've been defending this guy and saying "Wake me up when he misses something important" well, looks like that's getting here now.

Axolotl · Post #67 » by **Axolotl** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:49 pm

StunnerKO wrote:

Read on Twitter

Doesn't look good for Valentine. He was originally expected to have a normal off-season, and now, more than 10 months after the surgery, he is still not cleared for full basketball activity. Four to six months recovery time has turned into "unclear".

drosereturn · Post #68 » by **drosereturn** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm

He needs to get waived asap.
At this point, one third of the roster are deadweight as expected. Want them all gone and
bring in Melo, Noah, Shumpert, Deng, Simmons who can give you solid 10 minute.

ZOMG · Post #69 » by **ZOMG** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:28 pm

Showtime23 wrote:He needs to get waived asap.
At this point, one third of the roster are deadweight as expected. Want them all gone and
bring in Melo, Noah, Shumpert, Deng, Simmons who can give you solid 10 minute.

What?

meekrab · Post #70 » by **meekrab** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:36 pm

Showtime23 wrote:He needs to get waived asap.
At this point, one third of the roster are deadweight as expected. Want them all gone and
bring in Melo, Noah, Shumpert, Deng, Simmons who can give you solid 10 minute.

10 minutes combined, maybe. Those guys are done except maybe Shumpert who thinks he's a 10 million a year player but could be useful on a minimum deal.

Ctownbulls · Post #71 » by **Ctownbulls** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:04 pm

Feel bad for him but Bulls need to cut bait.

Any update on Hutchinson?

nomorezorro · Post #72 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:58 pm

paxson just said denzel is ready to go to start camp

sco · Post #73 » by **sco** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:28 pm

nomorezorro wrote:paxson just said denzel is ready to go to start camp

That was a big surprise...and a pleasant one!

logical_art · Post #74 » by **logical_art** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:32 pm

nomorezorro wrote:paxson just said denzel is ready to go to start camp

Source?

nomorezorro · Post #75 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:33 pm

john paxson. i saw and heard him say it

logical_art · Post #76 » by **logical_art** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:36 pm

nomorezorro wrote:john paxson. i saw and heard him say it

Are you his friend?

nomorezorro · Post #77 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:36 pm

i’d like to think so

nomorezorro · Post #78 » by **nomorezorro** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:37 pm

(it was during the media day press conference that was broadcast on the internet.)

samwana · Post #79 » by **samwana** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:00 pm

nomorezorro wrote:john paxson. i saw and heard him say it

He said it in the presser...

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JimmyJammer · Post #80 » by **JimmyJammer** » Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:46 pm

Unless I am missing something, but I heard Pax said Hutchison will be brought along slowly and Kornet is battling turf toe. He also said that Carter and Valentine are ready to go.